FRASERS BROADWAY - #PROJECT: Central Park

[Brizer]

Like the juxtaposition of glass and old building fabric.
BUT:
That cladding is just plain insensitive, not to mention butt ugly. What were they thinking?!

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

Originally Posted by papervagina

All the documents for the brewery buildings are now up: [URL="http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=4434"]

Thanks for posting

I actually don't mind this render, it gives the brewery a heritage/industrial look. The other two renders, however, do not look good.

Y'all want to make submissions about how bogan, suburban colourbond fencing-esque treatment of a focal point in a prime inner city development is a big no-no?

Had a quick snoop at the DA report and the plans propose ~1,000 sq m retail GFA, ~2,000 sq m commercial GFA and ~450 sq m community GFA.

I hope the ~1,000 sq m retail heavily revolves around food and beverage - makes sense to me for a former brewery to become home to a beer barn and the two level location is a great spot for it, spilling out into Central Park's big backyard.

Also the community GFA could go the way of a smallish library, an art gallery or artists studios - all neat ideas.

[CubicSpaceDivision]

Yesterday:

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[CULWULLA]

ta for updates. progressing well

[nathandavid88]

Originally Posted by Sky_Is_The_Limit

Thanks for posting

I actually don't mind this render, it gives the brewery a heritage/industrial look. The other two renders, however, do not look good.

I have to say that I don't mind either of those two renders (the earlier one was darker, which didn't do it any favours) because, thinking about it, if the top is going to house all plant rooms, what other material could they use that hides the plant stuff, is modern so as to not look like fake heritage, but still continues the industrial look of the complex? If they have to put something on top, i think this is probably the best option for it. A similar concept and material has been used on one of the Woolstore conversions in Teneriffe, Brisbane, and it also reminds me of what is on top of part of the David Jones Women's store in Melbourne.

[Brizer]

As the it is plant rooms and industrial 'stuff' why not enclose it in glass or similar so it can be seen but is contained for protection instead of pretending it's not there - make a feature of its industrial character?

[nathandavid88]

You really want to enclose big, ugly modern air conditioning units and the like in glass for everyone to see?

[Brizer]

It's an historical industrial building not a palace or a prestigious office or apartment building. It's not as though technological, industrial workings are pornographic or obscene & likely to offend the finer sensibilities of the weak minded, so why not reveal its authenticity & make it a feature?

[CULWULLA]

papervag-that link didnt work for the brewery doc.?

[papervagina]

Really? It's working for me. Here it is again:

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.go...ob&job_id=4434

[CULWULLA]

thanks, must be stupid work pc.

[Mornnb]

Originally Posted by nathandavid88

You really want to enclose big, ugly modern air conditioning units and the like in glass for everyone to see?

You could put just about anything behind the glass, from white painted concrete, to neon or large screens. So many options. No need to expose plant equipment.

[Fabian]

As the recent photos show, progress is speeding up for those who felt that it was "too slow".

[Barup Constructions]

Crane 1 climbing today

[nathandavid88]

Originally Posted by Brizer

It's an historical industrial building not a palace or a prestigious office or apartment building. It's not as though technological, industrial workings are pornographic or obscene & likely to offend the finer sensibilities of the weak minded, so why not reveal its authenticity & make it a feature?

Remember that we're talking about big, white modern airconditioning units and their associated piping/ducting that would be retrofitted to the building. They aren't in any way authentic to the building or its history, and would clash with the building's heritage architecture – big shiny white warts running along the top of a dark brick building. If this building is subject to a heritage listing, I can't see the heritage body allowing AC units to go onto the building's exterior without being covered over/hidden from view anyway. I know in Brisbane that this is generally the case.

Originally Posted by Mornnb

You could put just about anything behind the glass, from white painted concrete, to neon or large screens. So many options. No need to expose plant equipment.

While that it true, I can't think of anything placed under the glass that would be a better outcome that the cladding they're using to be honest. I really don't see the hate for the cladding they've used, I think it's an effective covering that complements both the building's design (particular in terms of colour), and reflects its industrial heritage, without being too major a visual distraction IMO.

It's not the only building to use a similar concept, look at David Jones' Women's Store:



Similar concept, but using a lighter silver colour to blend with the cream of the building, as opposed to the darker grey which works better with the brown of the bricks.

[Brizer]

You're working hard on this one, Nathan, but sorry, not buying.

[Mornnb]

Originally Posted by nathandavid88

It's not the only building to use a similar concept, look at David Jones' Women's Store:



Similar concept, but using a lighter silver colour to blend with the cream of the building, as opposed to the darker grey which works better with the brown of the bricks.

I don't like it either, looks like Darryl Kerrigan built it. The extension should have been set back from the front of the historical facade so as to impact the existing great design as little as possible.

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

Nathan, I think the extension you are referring to on top of DJs is a part of the store is it not (they added a sixth level as part of the refurb and it helped increase floorspace after the closure of their 3 level homewares store on the other side of Little Bourke)?

I'd much prefer it if they didn't use colour bond fencing at the brewery but instead painted in white and commissioned artwork that paid tribute to the workers from yesteryear (kind of like what is found in Kensington Lane). Or they could use the space to advertise exhibitions as part of the art gallery/artist studios in the building itself.

A much more innovative solution than colour bond fencing.

[nathandavid88]

I'm pretty sure you're right about the DJs extension. It does line up with the existing 6th floor on the left half of the building at any rate. I was just using it as a comparison on the use of a somewhat similar type of vertical panelling on an extension for a heritage building.

Personally, I'd love to see your idea about using those areas as a public artwork or advertising space used on the extensions, it could really be done well and would be something a bit special. The problem I could see happening there though is that the developer might have a lot of trouble selling that idea to the heritage board who are often very much against anything that could take away any of the visual focus from the building itself. That's probably why we do have colourbond-esque cladding (I'm thinking that in reality it will actually look more like separate lengths of steel, rather than the standard colourbond fence panels), it's something that is effective and didn't raise any eyebrows when submitted to the heritage board.

It can really be a delicate balancing act when heritage bodies are involved... just wait until the full plans to build the new Treasury Hotel on the old State Library building in Brisbane are unveiled. That will be very interesting to see...

[CULWULLA]

progress real slow on this one
this core hasnt moved in months
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i can see a core on new tower behind nouvel tower?
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this one hasnt moved in months
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