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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:32 PM   #6121
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The problem is I don't know how long it will take when I get on the bus. It's timetabled to take 15 minutes. You constantly speak from a position of ignorance. You know nothing about the problems faced by Auckland.
But I do know what I'm talking about, Auckland doesn't have a traffic problem compared to cities like Moscow or LA, I do travel back to NZ every year, I have noticed any increase in traffic over the past 5 years.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #6122
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But I do know what I'm talking about, Auckland doesn't have a traffic problem compared to cities like Moscow or LA, I do travel back to NZ every year, I have noticed any increase in traffic over the past 5 years.
Coming to NZ for a holiday every year does not compare with trying to get to work and back day in day out, nor does it qulaify you to make judgment.

Quite simply you have no idea Rob, you most definately do not know what you are talking about and that is evident in almost all that you write. Your ignorance is astounding. This is Auckland, everything is comparative, who gives a shit about Moscow or LA. Those cities are both overpopulated to the max. If we do not future proof Auckland now, we are destined to have the same future. Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant to me and I am sure to most on these forums.

Auckland is blighted by transport problems. Some prat in Europe who used to live in Auckland/New Zealand telling people who live here now who are faced with the very real issue of inadequate transport...well, that qualifies you to be a complete and ignorant prick. But we altready know that.

...and there will be rail to the North Shore. The corridor is already in place.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #6123
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I'm in Auckland every year, and it is relative, you say Auckland's traffic is bad, from my years of driving in it (over 20 years) and my experience overseas I just don't see it as a major problem. I may have thought it was bad once but now I know what bad traffic really is, so you'll never convince me Auckland has bad traffic.

But I also don't give a shit if Auckland has poor public transport, I haven't used it since I went to university, and I'll never use it again, I have a car and I really enjoy driving.

The North Shore busway isn't really suitable for heavy rail, the gradient from Tristram Ave up to Sunset Road and beyond to Albany is too great, there would need to be a tunnel, which is bound to cost hundreds of millions, plus a line up to Albany is pretty useless IMO, if you go with light rail the cheaper solution would be to run double articulated busses with greater frequency. There have been numerous posts about this on this forum and in the Bettertransport forum.

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Domain designation approved for Parnell Train Station

The Auckland Council has approved an extension of a railway designation into the Auckland Domain to allow a lowering of tracks for electrification and the construction of a Parnell rail station. Auckland Domain rail corridor designation committee chairman Sandra Coney said the decision was a major step toward in improving access & unleashing the tourism potential of historic Parnell, the Domain & the Auckland War Memorial Museum. “The Domain has been ring-fenced by the preference for roads, which have severed it from easy access. The station project, with its new connections to the Domain, Parnell & the cbd will kickstart the revitalisation &d restoration of the valley.”

The Auckland Transport application for the extension covers a 538m strip of land alongside the existing rail line, covering 2954m². A decision to grant landowner approval of the designation was necessary to allow track-lowering works to start before Christmas. Work on the station, based on the historic Newmarket rail station, will start at Christmas 2012. Further agreements between the council, Auckland Transport & NZ Railways Corp have to be settled regarding the construction & operation of the railway station.



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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:29 AM   #6125
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I understood the busway was designed to provide for a possible-future electric rail line. A bus on a dedicated lane is no different to a train, really, so why make such a big deal about a northern rail line.

Congestion is costing us a lot; not in inconvenience, but in dollars. Our road/highway budget is staggering, and spend a lot on imported petrol and cars. Workers (on the clock) are stuck in traffic behind parents collecting kids from school. Each car trip costs us more than we realise.

But the main cost of traffic, is that our new suburbs must cater to even more traffic; they become souless, isolated place where people rely on cars 100%. Plans require wider roads, larger turning radii, bigger intersections, more off-street parking, low densities, extra motorways.. Building these 'overdesigned' vehicle networks is very expensive (and just makes houses less affordable).
Compare older 'character suburbs' (highly desirable) to the "modern" areas on the North Shore & Manukau. Our new town centers are basically strip malls or Westfields and some industrial-sized boxes, all geared to people in cars. In modern suburbs, you really can't walk anywhere useful at all. ..So the cycle continues... That's the real cost.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to buy a house in Ponsonby. $850k for a grotty do-up "shack" on 350sqm?!
Any suggestions for better places to buy a freestanding house under $850k are very welcome!
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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:31 AM   #6126
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Domain designation approved for Parnell Train Station

The Auckland Council has approved an extension of a railway designation into the Auckland Domain to allow a lowering of tracks for electrification and the construction of a Parnell rail station. Auckland Domain rail corridor designation committee chairman Sandra Coney said the decision was a major step toward in improving access & unleashing the tourism potential of historic Parnell, the Domain & the Auckland War Memorial Museum. “The Domain has been ring-fenced by the preference for roads, which have severed it from easy access. The station project, with its new connections to the Domain, Parnell & the cbd will kickstart the revitalisation &d restoration of the valley.”

The Auckland Transport application for the extension covers a 538m strip of land alongside the existing rail line, covering 2954m². A decision to grant landowner approval of the designation was necessary to allow track-lowering works to start before Christmas. Work on the station, based on the historic Newmarket rail station, will start at Christmas 2012. Further agreements between the council, Auckland Transport & NZ Railways Corp have to be settled regarding the construction & operation of the railway station.





Do you think this might make it viable to build more apartment (and denser) blocks east of the CBD?

I hope so.
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On the side of the Parnell ridge facing the Domain would be a great location for some mid rise buildings.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 09:12 AM   #6128
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I understood the busway was designed to provide for a possible-future electric rail line. A bus on a dedicated lane is no different to a train, really, so why make such a big deal about a northern rail line.

Congestion is costing us a lot; not in inconvenience, but in dollars. Our road/highway budget is staggering, and spend a lot on imported petrol and cars. Workers (on the clock) are stuck in traffic behind parents collecting kids from school. Each car trip costs us more than we realise.

But the main cost of traffic, is that our new suburbs must cater to even more traffic; they become souless, isolated place where people rely on cars 100%. Plans require wider roads, larger turning radii, bigger intersections, more off-street parking, low densities, extra motorways.. Building these 'overdesigned' vehicle networks is very expensive (and just makes houses less affordable).
Compare older 'character suburbs' (highly desirable) to the "modern" areas on the North Shore & Manukau. Our new town centers are basically strip malls or Westfields and some industrial-sized boxes, all geared to people in cars. In modern suburbs, you really can't walk anywhere useful at all. ..So the cycle continues... That's the real cost.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to buy a house in Ponsonby. $850k for a grotty do-up "shack" on 350sqm?!
Any suggestions for better places to buy a freestanding house under $850k are very welcome!
The values of land in older suburbs has nothing to do with cars. It's because the older suburbs are more established, the type of housing is seen as desirable and they are generally closer to the CBD

http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/re...-407879787.htm = a freestanding house for $450,000 (probably less than that)
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Old December 1st, 2011, 10:15 AM   #6129
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As for Parnell I have also managed to find this picture which gives a good view of the station and its surrounds. It was at the bottom of a presentation to the council and haven't seen the picture anywhere else (the pics above have been on the AT website for a few weeks now)

The upper left of the image is the carlaw park developments and the upper right is a box in the presentation put over the image (so ignore it)

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Thanks for that pic Matt, I look forward to seeing what will be done with the steam-train workshop

Auckland’s Bus operators sign up for HOP hardware

In a further significant development for Auckland’s public transport system, five major bus operators, have signed an agreement for the supply of hardware to enable the HOP card to be used on their services. The companies involved in the agreement with existing equipment supplier Parkeon are: Ritchie’s Transport, Urban Express, Bayes Coachlines, Howick and Eastern and Birkenhead Transport. They join NZ Bus which already has ‘tag on/tag off’ devices installed on its fleet.

The delivery of equipment will commence from mid next year, in time for the final phase of HOP which includes trains, ferries and all bus operators, being rolled out. A spokesman for the group, Andrew Ritchie says, “Parkeon has been chosen as our hardware supplier for a number of reasons, including their previous track record in Auckland, specialist understanding of the bus market, and competitive annual operating costs. “Ritchie’s, Urban Express, Bayes, Howick and Eastern and Birkenhead Transport have come together to choose a single supplier to our businesses with an effective hardware solution.

Owen Griffith, Managing Director of Parkeon Transit Limited says, “We are very pleased to sign this contract as we have had a long involvement with bus operations in Auckland of over 20 years with our Wayfarer 3 and TGX150 technologies and are delighted to see the latest generation of Parkeon products being selected for this prestigious project". Auckland Transport’s Programme Director of the Auckland Integrated Fares System, Greg Ellis says, “The first phase of HOP was rolled out very successfully in May this year onto NZ Bus services. Uptake of the HOP card has been extremely high already with 85,000 Go Rider users swapping to HOP so far.

“Starting next month Auckland Transport will be undertaking an extended field trial of the system utilising selected users. This type of closed pilot follows international best practice for the introduction of a new public transport ticketing system” Mr Ritchie says, “We support HOP as an attractive proposition to the traveling public, moving away from our current paper tickets to a smart card which can be used on bus, train and ferries with the benefit of a discount. We believe this card will continue to be a winner with the public and are very pleased to be part of the programme that will assist us in continuing the excellent rise in Public Transport use we are seeing this year”.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 09:20 AM   #6131
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Thanks for that pic Matt, I look forward to seeing what will be done with the steam-train workshop
I think the plan at this stage is to tidy up the building and turn it into a kind of working museum where people can go and watch the steam trains being maintained and restored.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/S...on20110301.pdf

http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/news/...steam/1048095/
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I think the plan at this stage is to tidy up the building and turn it into a kind of working museum where people can go and watch the steam trains being maintained and restored.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/S...on20110301.pdf

http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/news/...steam/1048095/
That sounds like a plan, thanks for the info Matt
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Auckland Transport and Fullers trial extra ferry sailings

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Auckland Transport and Fullers Group Limited announced a new timetable trial with increased ferry sailings to and from Birkenhead, Northcote Point, Bayswater and Half Moon Bay on weekends. The trial will run from 17 December 2011 until 26 February 2012 and has been developed as a result of feedback from residents in these areas stating there was a demand for increased services during the weekends. The new timetable will see sailings spread throughout the day, and later in the evening on Saturdays. Both Fullers Group Limited and Auckland Transport encourage residents to take advantage of the improved timetable over the summer sailing indicating that high patronage may see the timetable extended. Customer feedback can be directed through Fullers Ferries website. For timetable information please visit www.fullers.co.nz or www.maxx.co.nz. Auckland Transport is a Council Controlled Organisation (CCO) of Auckland Council. It is responsible for all of the region’s transport services (excluding state highways) - from roads and footpaths, to cycling, parking and public transport.

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To design, build and maintain Auckland’s roads, ferry wharves, cycleways and walkways.

Co-ordinate road safety and community transport initiatives such as school travel

Plan and fund bus, train and ferry services across Auckland.

For more information go to www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 03:58 AM   #6134
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I guess it would deal with capacity issues on some major routes:

http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/news/...land-/1205290/
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I was quite excited when I read this as the Weekend (Birkenhead) timetable used to consist of 2 very early morning sailings and three afternoon sailings. The new timetable has a far better spread of sailings throughout the day which is positive. On the downside there are still only 5 sailings throughout the day and all are via Bayswater as opposed to only 2 of the old t/tables sailings. This makes the trip about 30 mins instead of about 12mins. I understand that weekend ferry services to Birkenhead and Bayswater suffer from woefully low patronage but I think combining services like this will only ensure this continues to be the case. A bit disappointing, but probably still an improvement.

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Old December 17th, 2011, 12:25 AM   #6136
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I guess it would deal with capacity issues on some major routes:

http://www.theaucklander.co.nz/news/...land-/1205290/
Double deckers are good on longer distance routes, but rubbish for short haul as most people who do short journeys crowd where the doors are. Never quite understood the obsession of using them in smaller British cities (though they make sense in HK due to the space constraints on the roads).

Bendy buses on the link routes and double deckers on the high capacity routes from areas like Botany that require comfort and longer journey times or on the motorway bus routes where traffic jams make bendy buses inefficient space-wise.

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Old December 17th, 2011, 10:54 PM   #6137
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Double-decker or bendy or usual...I don't care.
What I do care about after having used buses now for over a year is the STATE of said buses.
Not sure if the North Star people can afford it but buying some buses with airconditioning would be good.
Also I'm not really keen on leaking buses, water dripping from the ceiling etc
On one bus water had been coming down the side of a carpeted wall section and there was a mushroom type plant growing there!!
Also do they actually ever CLEAN the windows in buses and check the state of the seats???
All seems to be run on the smell of an oily rag
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:41 AM   #6138
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Rail electrification

http://www.kiwirail.co.nz/projects/m...ification.html

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Morrin Road road over-bridge - this is being fully replaced and will be closed from Boxing Day for around two months. Diversions will be clearly signposted (daytime works)

Mt Wellington Highway road over-bridge - this is being fully replaced. Work is due to start in late 2011, and continue for approximately six-months. The road will remain open to two way traffic, with partial closures at times (daytime works)
Two routes that will cause disruption for some time.
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Albany Park & Ride to be doubled and its going to cost 5.5m or 10k per car park, my thoughts:
http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/01/1...o-be-expanded/

Was going to post an image of it is huge so either go to the link above or the image itself is below
http://www.aucklandtransport.govt.nz...sion-large.jpg
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It would be great if they could underground the new section and sell the air rights above it for commercial use. Never-the-less - it is a great move and sorely needed

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