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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #761
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Sure, buddy. Just let me finish to model, it's not the geometry that takes so long to model but in fact the extensive research it requires in order to produce an accurate work. Give me 2 weeks, it'll be your Christmas gift from me.

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Old December 13th, 2011, 02:35 AM   #762
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Old December 13th, 2011, 03:46 AM   #763
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Se habra terminado esta obra, se ve muy bien todo el progreso de las instalaciones.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 11:20 AM   #764
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Se habra terminado esta obra, se ve muy bien todo el progreso de las instalaciones.
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"Will be completed this work, it looks great all the progress of the facility."


As the language here in this forum is mostly English I thought an advice for next time would be appropriate.

La próxima vez que desee enviar un comentario por favor, primero traducir. Ayuda a más personas a entender su comentario. Como consejo: translate.google.com

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Old December 22nd, 2011, 08:28 AM   #765
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Investigation into Transit Hub fireproofing

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NEW YORK (WABC) -- The World Trade Center Transportation Hub is behind schedule and hundreds of millions over budget.

The dual pressure of time and cost-overruns might help explain why the Port Authority has decided to eliminate the fireproofing of the huge above-ground steel structure that 200,000 people will pass under every day.

"Fireproofing is a critical piece of fire protection, a blanket we put on buildings to insulate the steel from heat of fire and in my estimation it is critical component for any large building particularly a transit facility like this one," said Glenn Corbett, a fire safety expert.

But more than a year ago, Eyewitness News pressed then Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward on whether the $25 million fireproofing had been yanked from the Transit Hub contract.
"Has that been taken out of the project, the fireproofing of the steel columns?" Eyewitness News Investigative reporter Jim Hoffer asked.

"No, complete news to me. The Port Authority has the highest standards for the safety for all of its facilities. We wouldn't compromise a structure like the Transit Hub in terms of fireproofing in the least. I don't know where you are getting that information at all," said Chris Ward, the Former Port Authority Executive Director.

Eyewitness News was getting the information from a well-placed source who also provided a Port Authority document.

It requested that those bidding on the Transit Hub contract "Should exclude the cost of fireproofing or intumescent coating from the structural steel."

At the same time the head of the Port Authority was telling Eyewitness News this:

"So it's going to be fireproofed?" Hoffer asked.

"Of course!" Ward said.

Soon after, the Port Authority hired an engineering firm to conduct a test to see whether the steel structure without fireproofing could hold up under a fire.

It concluded that it could because of "the high volume of the space and robustness of the structure".

The problem according to experts Eyewitness News spoke to is that the test was based on a fire equal to "two-to-three closely spaced passenger cars".

"Given the fact this is such a large building and is a terrorist target, a small fire in this building is not something I'd be planning for, I'd be planning for much larger worst case scenario," Corbett said.

Yet, based on the Port Authority's two-to-three car fire test, a Deputy Commissioner for the Buildings Department signed off on the Agency's decision not to fireproof the Transit Hub concluding it meets required fire resistance ratings.

What about the painful lessons of World Trade Center history where thousands died from two terrorist attacks, one in which inadequate fireproofing hastens the collapse of the twin towers?

"I'm really shocked given what happened on 9/11 including issues of fireproofing where these lessons seemed to be unlearned and unheeded," Corbett said.

The Port Authority says the below ground steel where the retail stores will be located will have fireproofing.

In a statement to Eyewitness News, the agency says, "Our engineers have conducted a thorough review of the fireproofing requirements and found that we will satisfy our high safety standards for the project as well as meet or exceed New York City Building Code requirements."
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 08:48 AM   #766
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Wow... after what happened at the WTC on 9-11, I cannot believe that the people of NYC would tolerate even a square inch of anything at the new WTC complex NOT being fireproofed...

How has this entire project (WTC 1, 2, 3, 4, 9-11 museum, and now the WTC Transit hub) all become so sadly off-track, over-budget, and behind schedule? Is there no oversight on any of these projects?
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 11:56 AM   #767
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Incidentally, the only thing that seems to have been done on-time and budget was the new WTC 7... Perhaps they should have just handed the whole thing off to Silverstein after all? (I'm fairly liberal but this whole project seems to have become the poster-child for the argument that the private sector is better suited than the public to get some things done (like building a multi-billion dollar office, transit, and memorial/museum complex) :-/
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 02:28 AM   #768
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Incidentally, the only thing that seems to have been done on-time and budget was the new WTC 7... Perhaps they should have just handed the whole thing off to Silverstein after all? (I'm fairly liberal but this whole project seems to have become the poster-child for the argument that the private sector is better suited than the public to get some things done (like building a multi-billion dollar office, transit, and memorial/museum complex) :-/
I certainly have to agree with your statement especially in this matter! Removing the politicians from the equation would certainly have reduced the costs and speeded up the project.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 03:15 AM   #769
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I certainly have to agree with your statement especially in this matter! Removing the politicians from the equation would certainly have reduced the costs and speeded up the project.
You can say the same for any project in the US.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 04:22 AM   #770
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The MTA should be forced out of their promised WTC4 space in order to raise some more money from the private sector, instead of giving that inefficient agency luxury office space for no reason other than agency greed.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 06:22 AM   #771
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The MTA should be forced out of their promised WTC4 space in order to raise some more money from the private sector, instead of giving that inefficient agency luxury office space for no reason other than agency greed.
The MTA is not in charge of this site , its the PA which is starting to irk everybody in this region. I think funding needs to be killed to the whole site , theres no reason for these stupid cost overruns to be passed onto me the Commuter and Millions who use the PA services everyday to pay for this emerging Boondoggle. The Consensus in this region is that the project should be privately financed and not with Tax Payer $$$ and Toll $$$ , the cost estimate for the Transit Hub was originally 500 Million , now its 2 Billion. What next the Transit hub grows to 8 billion? And now no Fire Proofing?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 10:42 AM   #772
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Sen. Schumer speaks out on Transit Hub fireproofing

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NEW YORK (WABC) -- There are calls for action after an Eyewitness News investigation reveals the Port Authority has decided not to fireproof a large portion of the new Transit Hub at the World Trade Center site.

There are calls for Governors Cuomo and Christie to step in and force the Port Authority to fireproof the Transit Hub that will be used by some 200,000 people every day.

The Port Authority's decision to cut-out costly fireproofing for a major part of the massive steel World Trade Center Transit Hub drew a quick and angry response from a Deputy FDNY Chief of 31 years.

"It's appalling that they could even consider that. It's the number 1 terrorist target; you have 200,000 people every day. They are putting money ahead of lives and safety and I think it's a disgrace," said Jim Riches, a Deputy FDNY Chief (ret.)

Recently retired, Jim Riches not only responded to the towers on 9/11, he also lost his firefighter son when the North Tower collapsed sooner, some experts say, than it should have because of inadequate fireproofing.

Eyewitness News' investigation reveals most of the winged structure of the transit center will have no fireproofing.

The Port Authority decided it is unnecessary after conducting tests based on a fire equal to "Two-to-three closely spaced passenger cars."

A fire safety expert with John Jay College says the testing is seriously flawed.

"As a former code enforcement official I wouldn't have accepted it. I think again they would have had to demonstrate much larger worse case scenarios that are really unfortunately very possible here at ground zero," said Glenn Corbett, a fire safety expert.

A year ago, when Eyewitness News began investigating safety issues at the transit hub, the Port Authority's then Executive Director Chris Ward insisted that it would be fireproofed.

"The Port Authority has the highest standards for the safety of all its facilities. We wouldn't compromise a structure like the Transit Hub in terms of fireproofing in the least," said Chris Ward, Fmr. Port Authority Executive Director.

What's changed since then? Mostly huge cost overruns which one source tells Eyewitness News played a part in eliminating the $25 million dollar fireproofing job.

But the Port Authority insists, "The high volume of the space and robustness of the (steel) structure,'' means the center will "meet or exceed" city building codes.

New York's Senior Senator says, where's the common sense?

"Seems to me in a place that's going to have tens of thousands of people and a great deal of danger that it ought to be fireproofed," Sen. Charles Schumer said.

"They're endangering everyone's lives and they're lying to the public and I'll say that and Gov. Christie and Gov. Cuomo should get involved," Riches said.
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Don't forget that not only has the cost of the transportation hub increased significantly they'll already taken away the most expensive part of the original design. The original design was for the huge roof to be able to be opened and closed depending on the weather!
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Old December 28th, 2011, 07:18 PM   #774
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Old December 28th, 2011, 07:39 PM   #775
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Old December 28th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #776
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Awesome pics!

Great to see in detail how they assemble new floors before pouring concrete!
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Old December 29th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #777
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I've never seen the direct link posted here, so here it is :

Direct link to the "Tower 3" Earthcam cam, which has a high resolution and very nice view of the Transportation Hub (and Tower 2 and 3).

And while I'm here, there also is this famous one, where you mostly see the Memorial, this one with the VSC, and this one with... well, not many things.

I also have direct links for all KPI webcam pictures, but I can't share them with you since there is a link for each picture (so thousands of them).

I have been donwloading daily pictures from pretty much every webcam for over a year now (including KPI), so someday, I might be able to make a nice timelapse of the Transportation hub (and Tower 2 and 3) construction.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 05:39 PM   #778
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Beber, you've made my day. I hadn't seen those links before. The "tower 3" view is simply amazing. BTW, your second link is the same as the first link.

To put them in a list...

"Famous" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzrobotic1.jpg

"3WTC/Hub/2WTC" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzmpr288_4.jpg

"VSC/Memorial" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...mpr/gzmpr2.jpg

"WFC/1WTC/Memorial" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzmpr288_7.jpg

And of course the set of five KPI TV HD cams:
http://www.video-monitoring.com/cons...itv/silver.htm

Edit: I've played with the above URL's and found more views:

"Top of 1WTC" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzmpr288_3.jpg

"Top of 4WTC" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzmpr288_2.jpg

"4WTC" HD Earthcam:
http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzmpr288_8.jpg

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Old December 30th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #779
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so much bar its so hard to comprehend.

it would be interesting to hear the total tonnage in each building/hub
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Old December 31st, 2011, 08:13 PM   #780
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seems like tower 2 underground section is almost ready
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