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jonwil · January 13th, 2012, 04:41 AM

Can someone tell me who needs to be fired (or voted out of office) in order to overcome this "anything that's not a box will be rejected" attitude the CoP seem to have?

Or does the CoP take that attitude because they are forced to by politics and NIMBYs?

GAbE27 · January 13th, 2012, 08:31 AM

i dont know how many NIMBYs there are in the CBD. The everyday joe would not have any idea what developments are going on in the city.

I guess it the main issue is that we have burecrats making the decisions on what is considered a good design.

jarkti · January 13th, 2012, 08:49 AM

They said something like the lean was to dramatic on the Melbourne and pedestrians or something like that -shrugs-
People probably would of got scared

WCG · January 13th, 2012, 09:02 AM

LOL The leaning tower of perth

jddc7 · January 13th, 2012, 02:11 PM

Welcome to Blocko Land

jackso · January 13th, 2012, 02:12 PM

What we need more than a tilted facade is some fucking curves.

WillG · January 13th, 2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackso

What we need more than a tilted facade is some fucking curves.

Following that train of though, Perth architects should listen to this:

anoraxia · October 11th, 2012, 10:37 AM

uh possibly the wrong place for this but it's the nearest site i could think of:

anyone know anything about a proposed office on the corner of murray and milligan? similar sort of scheme to this, wrapping around the back of "hotel milligan". heard a whisper, just wondering if there's anything to it?

Citystyle · October 11th, 2012, 04:38 PM

Yeah i heard snippets over a year ago. No details, just that the owner was getting advice.

anoraxia · October 15th, 2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Citystyle

Yeah i heard snippets over a year ago. No details, just that the owner was getting advice.

aaaand the owner is? i am too lazy/cheap to do title search

Tandax · October 15th, 2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by anoraxia

aaaand the owner is? i am too lazy/cheap to do title search

According to Knight Frank Perth CBD office market report i posted in the New News Thread this morning, Georgiou Group is planning a 21,000 sqm office tower at 47-59 Milligan St which is on the corner of Murray.

anoraxia · October 15th, 2012, 03:04 PM

thanks. Busy little bees aren't they??

ozaway · October 16th, 2012, 02:56 AM

That might kick-start the Melbourne Hotel.
That corner has had a tin cup and 'please develop me' sign at its feet for years. Another site also begging for it is directly across the road.

anoraxia · October 16th, 2012, 03:43 AM

now there are two 20,000 sqm offices competing for the same precommitments in the same area - which are apparently negligible

jackso · October 16th, 2012, 04:00 AM

Maybe if Melbourne Hotel wasn't so fugly they would get a precommitment.

Seriously, if I was negotiating a lease for my company, after price the most important thing would be design. It can say a lot about your company.

We've got quite a few proposals all competing for a limited pool of tenants. When you have all these developments commanding similar rents, why would you choose a terrible building like Melbourne when you have better designed alternatives nearby.

anoraxia · October 16th, 2012, 04:51 AM

that's a fair point. the Melbourne owners are holding out for a pretty hefty rent from an anchor, so other factors will come into play. wonder what the georgiou thing will look like?

PD · October 16th, 2012, 05:36 AM

I dont get it, apparently we have one of the tightest office market in the world yet we cant even get stumpies up?

Citystyle · October 16th, 2012, 05:46 AM

The biggest problem buildings like this face is the size of the floor plates, a whole company could take the whole thing like Dynon's if the market limits them access to better buildings, but middle sized tenants aren't really interested.

The new Brookfield building for instance had a host of middle tier sized companies lining up for space.

Ari Gold · October 16th, 2012, 05:47 AM

It's Perth.

Citystyle · October 16th, 2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PD

I dont get it, apparently we have one of the tightest office market in the world yet we cant even get stumpies up?

That's a bit of a myth.

The number of tenants downsizing and looking to get out of leases is alarming.
Plenty of engineering companies grabbed up big chunks of space thinking their rate of expansion would be continuing as it was and it hasn’t. It doesn't come across in the figures thrown to the public but it's affecting absorption rates now.
Once things settle down we aren't going to have an over supply situation, and remember Kings square, Brookfield Place Stage 2 and Treasury will be adding something like 80,00sqm.

January 13th, 2012, 08:31 AM	#402
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January 13th, 2012, 08:49 AM	#403
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Citystyle Watch my Chops Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Posts: 5,259 Likes (Received): 44	Yeah i heard snippets over a year ago. No details, just that the owner was getting advice. __________________ Sec. 31 But how far has he given it us? To enjoy. As much as anyone can make use of to any advantage of life before it spoils, whatever is beyond this, is more than his share, and belongs to others. Nothing was made by God for man to spoil or destroy. And thus considering the plenty of natural provisions there was a long time in the world, and the few spenders, and to how small a part provision the industry of one man could extend itself, and ingross itself to the prejudice of others. - John Locke

October 16th, 2012, 05:36 AM	#417
PD perthistan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Perth, AUS Posts: 2,932 Likes (Received): 219	I dont get it, apparently we have one of the tightest office market in the world yet we cant even get stumpies up? __________________ FuturePerth

October 16th, 2012, 05:46 AM	#418
Citystyle Watch my Chops Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Posts: 5,259 Likes (Received): 44	The biggest problem buildings like this face is the size of the floor plates, a whole company could take the whole thing like Dynon's if the market limits them access to better buildings, but middle sized tenants aren't really interested. The new Brookfield building for instance had a host of middle tier sized companies lining up for space. __________________ Sec. 31 But how far has he given it us? To enjoy. As much as anyone can make use of to any advantage of life before it spoils, whatever is beyond this, is more than his share, and belongs to others. Nothing was made by God for man to spoil or destroy. And thus considering the plenty of natural provisions there was a long time in the world, and the few spenders, and to how small a part provision the industry of one man could extend itself, and ingross itself to the prejudice of others. - John Locke

January 13th, 2012, 04:41 AM	#401
jonwil Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,551 Likes (Received): 20	Can someone tell me who needs to be fired (or voted out of office) in order to overcome this "anything that's not a box will be rejected" attitude the CoP seem to have? Or does the CoP take that attitude because they are forced to by politics and NIMBYs?

January 13th, 2012, 09:02 AM	#404
WCG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 1,205 Likes (Received): 10	LOL The leaning tower of perth

January 13th, 2012, 02:11 PM	#405
jddc7 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 59 Likes (Received): 0	Welcome to Blocko Land

January 13th, 2012, 02:12 PM	#406
jackso Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 8,243 Likes (Received): 223	What we need more than a tilted facade is some fucking curves.

October 11th, 2012, 10:37 AM	#408
anoraxia Crane spotter Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 115 Likes (Received): 7	uh possibly the wrong place for this but it's the nearest site i could think of: anyone know anything about a proposed office on the corner of murray and milligan? similar sort of scheme to this, wrapping around the back of "hotel milligan". heard a whisper, just wondering if there's anything to it?

October 15th, 2012, 03:04 PM	#412
anoraxia Crane spotter Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 115 Likes (Received): 7	thanks. Busy little bees aren't they??

October 16th, 2012, 02:56 AM	#413
ozaway Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Perth Posts: 278 Likes (Received): 26	That might kick-start the Melbourne Hotel. That corner has had a tin cup and 'please develop me' sign at its feet for years. Another site also begging for it is directly across the road.

October 16th, 2012, 03:43 AM	#414
anoraxia Crane spotter Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 115 Likes (Received): 7	now there are two 20,000 sqm offices competing for the same precommitments in the same area - which are apparently negligible

October 16th, 2012, 04:00 AM	#415
jackso Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 8,243 Likes (Received): 223	Maybe if Melbourne Hotel wasn't so fugly they would get a precommitment. Seriously, if I was negotiating a lease for my company, after price the most important thing would be design. It can say a lot about your company. We've got quite a few proposals all competing for a limited pool of tenants. When you have all these developments commanding similar rents, why would you choose a terrible building like Melbourne when you have better designed alternatives nearby.

October 16th, 2012, 04:51 AM	#416
anoraxia Crane spotter Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 115 Likes (Received): 7	that's a fair point. the Melbourne owners are holding out for a pretty hefty rent from an anchor, so other factors will come into play. wonder what the georgiou thing will look like?

October 16th, 2012, 05:47 AM	#419
Ari Gold Mr Superstar Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Perthzillia Posts: 2,205 Likes (Received): 11	It's Perth. __________________ Perth - Lawns n Yawns for All

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