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Old January 19th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #861
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only NYC supertall I dont like.

this one is way too boxy & could've been lot more creative.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #862
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it amazing nowadays what people class "boxy".
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Old January 20th, 2012, 07:34 PM   #863
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Indeed this could be a bit thinner at one side, but the curves are nice though.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 03:23 AM   #864
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Wow I'm surprised this thread has been dead since January. No news since then???
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 03:50 AM   #865
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No, it sucks
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 04:05 AM   #866
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Wow I'm surprised this thread has been dead since January. No news since then???
As I've said many times, this project, together with 2WTC, 3 WTC, and Manhattan West, won't be built until the two towers at the Hudson Yards are largely leased because Related has a MASSIVE cost advantage over everyone else. Among other things, it is not seeking a penny in profit on the office towers.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 04:11 AM   #867
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As I've said many times, this project, together with 2WTC, 3 WTC, and Manhattan West, won't be built until the two towers at the Hudson Yards are largely leased because Related has a MASSIVE cost advantage over everyone else. Among other things, it is not seeking a penny in profit on the office towers.
I dont know about Manhattan West.

Personally I think Brookfield is in a race with Related to get the first towers up in that area...

Coverage of the tracks is proceeding in the fall.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 05:30 AM   #868
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I dont know about Manhattan West.

Personally I think Brookfield is in a race with Related to get the first towers up in that area...

Coverage of the tracks is proceeding in the fall.
Brookfields towers won't rise over the tracks. They'll rise on the existing terra firma. Related is the only entity selling and/or leasing new office space at cost, as it plans to make money on the residential, hotel, and retail components.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 09:57 AM   #869
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As I've said many times, this project, together with 2WTC, 3 WTC, and Manhattan West, won't be built until the two towers at the Hudson Yards are largely leased because Related has a MASSIVE cost advantage over everyone else. Among other things, it is not seeking a penny in profit on the office towers.
Why 2wtc and 3wtc? As i know at the moment they are under construction?
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 01:56 PM   #870
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They will not be built entirely until they are leased, see respective topics
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Old April 25th, 2012, 12:01 PM   #871
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Despite blocking the view to Empire State Building, 15 Penn Plaza would also demand the demolition of this classic highrise (Hotel Pennsylvania, see article).
No way!

I hope for this project to be either relocated or to be cancelled. Such an uninspiring glassy phallus shouldn't compete with ESB.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #872
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The base of the Hotel Penn is nice, the first four or five floors but beyond that it's nothing special. Plus that stretch of 7th, between like 30th and up into the upper 30s has a bunch of buildings that are the same style as Hotel Penn. Not a loss.

The area around Penn Station, just a few blocks west of the ESB will see a lot of development in the next decade or two. It's the busiest train station in North America, and has little high rises to show for it, plus Manhattan West and the Hudson Yards are only a few blocks west.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #873
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I actually find Hotel Pennsylvania rather dull looking. Aesthetically, it doesn't appeal to me and doesn't stand out at all. If it weren't for its history, I wouldn't even think twice of having that building demolished.
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Old April 25th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #874
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I'm all for demolishing Hotel Penn. It's old and run down to me. Like said above that stretch south west of the ESB needs redevelopment.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 02:08 AM   #875
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I agree the Hotel Penn is a eyesore and needs to be replaced.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 02:54 AM   #876
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That hotel is pretty run-down.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #877
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NYC needs new world-class office space to remain competitive as a global financial services, services and media hub. While traditions need to be protected as much as possible, this fact cannot be ignored else the city will fall behind its competitors across the world. The vast majority of NYC's office stock is pre-1980s and it would be unwise to stall new development just to pamper the ESB.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #878
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There's not just black & white.

There are more possible solutions than just demolishing a historical building because its "run down".

Are you out of your mind? Never seen a renovated or revitalized building? With such a mindset, one day we should tear down Chrysler Building, Woolworth or other because they couldn't raise fund for renovation and look "run down"?

Some buildings just need a proper replastering and some paintjob. Pennsylvania Hotel belongs to this group of buildings.

Marvellous gems such as the cast iron buildings in SoHo were about to be torn down, because they were looking "run down". Now imagine that crime!

NYC should care for all its heritage. Just because a building doesn't seem "something special" and there are others that may somehow be alike, there's no reason to tear them all down. Its also the ensemble impact of many similar buildings standing next together that makes the appeal. That's what makes the appeal of old Manhattan that shouldn't be sacrificed!
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #879
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Please also have a look beyond the surface of Pennsylvania Hotel!

The historical lobby

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hp_lobby_old_edit.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hp_lobby_corridor.JPG


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hp..._colonnade.JPG

Foyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hp_foyer_edit.jpg


(this belongs here, as we're talking about the demolition of the building that occupies the intended building site)
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #880
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Exactly. It's high time for NYC and other American cities to take care of their greatest heritage... Buildings from times, when no other country or city built as great.
Those objects, when renovated and painted, would look stunning!
Tell me which other country has objects in that scale from early XX century? None.
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