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Old January 14th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #941
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First : Sorry for the big shots !

Second : Sorry but for a city of it size, Lyon has a good subway :
more than 700.000 passengers per day (without the 4 tramway lines !)

Lyon has 2,1 million inhabitants in the metro area, the subway covers a small area but the density is over 10.000 ppl per km² in the central area...
in comparison with many great american cities it is so much better !!!


Toronto 948,100
Washington, D.C. 919,300
Chicago 638,000
Boston 478,000
Vancouver 426,500
San Francisco 343,200
Philadelphia 314,800
Not sure where you got those numbers but I challenge them in respect of San Francisco, anyway. SF has 2 underground rail systems--BART and Muni Metro. And since you are counting ridership in the metro area, BART's metro ridership needs to be counted. That means adding Muni's 151,300 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muni_Metro ) to BART's 367,500 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit ) for a total of 518,800 riders daily. Otherwise, the Lyon system looks similar to both Muni Metro (the cars) and BART (the stations).
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Old January 15th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #942
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Except Vancouver , north & south america have not the best systems!

The best are located in Asia & Europe.

In asia the reason is simply: They just start to spreads metro systems due to the economic boom of China.

For europe Line 14 in paris is the perfect example how french are among the top engineers to develop trains & stations.

I haven't seen an equivalent of Line 14 in the world so well integrated in the city.

Line 9 of barcelona try to follow very well this philosophy.

But frankly city like new york is a shame when we talk about metro even for the future (no new cars or sytem etc...)

For Asia+ Europe when we talk about subways
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #943
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i mean asian countries boom and ecological problems
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #944
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French Subways

Lyon Subway is not so bad,

4 lines 700.000 passengers per day.

Line D : The first automated subway of the world
London's automated Victoria Line opened 23 years earlier.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #945
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Except Vancouver , north & south america have not the best systems!
I don't disagree with your main point--people in North America generally do not support public transportation enough to build the best systems today--but by selecting Vancouver as the exemplar system in North America you reveal a lot of bias or ignorance about North American systems. New York's, while older and grungier by far, is much more effective in doing what any system is meant to do--allow the public to get where it wants to go when it wants to go there, 24/7. Other newer systems are comparable or better than Vancouver's. I'd call Washington DC's and Chicago's (another older, grungier but more complete system) better and San Francisco's as good (just counting the rail portion--if you count the busses, it's better). I am not familiar enough with Toronto to compare it. I've ridden all those I'm judging. Have you?
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Old January 15th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #946
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Toronto's subway is only operable for a certain hours and never on Sundays - from what I heard. It's definitely cleaner than New York, but the subways are still kinda dirty but the cars are definitely better.

New York's subway is always on going repairs and expansion - so I don't understand how people can even say that there are no new cars and system? But it's very reliable around the clock and that's what matters. Could it be improved? yes most definitely. Is it one of the best - mmm yes and no depends on the criteria
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #947
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London's automated Victoria Line opened 23 years earlier.
It is not a fully automated line ! There still a "driver" in the Victoria line, the A and B lines in Lyon also are equiped with this technology.

@Cal-Escapee : i've heard about BART, it is similar to the PATH system in NY ! But S.F deserve a better transportation system due to its density IMO

@Axelferis : Actually, NY has new trains, the exterior design still the same but the interior is clean !

I like the NY subway, but it is very noisy and dirty ! And please change these disposable paper cards !
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Old January 16th, 2012, 01:51 PM   #948
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Perhaps you should have qualified that when you made your claim about Lyon's Line D, as it is incorrect to say it was the first "automated" subway line.

All of the Victoria line's train movements are automatically controlled, and as you hint at, the "driver" just controls the doors and makes announcements.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #949
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It is not a fully automated line ! There still a "driver" in the Victoria line, the A and B lines in Lyon also are equiped with this technology.

@Cal-Escapee : i've heard about BART, it is similar to the PATH system in NY ! But S.F deserve a better transportation system due to its density IMO

@Axelferis : Actually, NY has new trains, the exterior design still the same but the interior is clean !

I like the NY subway, but it is very noisy and dirty ! And please change these disposable paper cards !
Only the single trip is paper , the rechargeable cards are plastic....
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okay sorry, i've never seen a NYorker with a plastic card !
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London's automated Victoria Line opened 23 years earlier.

sorry but the first automated line in the worls was born in lille 1983

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Old January 22nd, 2012, 12:34 AM   #952
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sorry but the first automated line in the worls was born in lille 1983

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first automatic driverless line: london underground, victoria line, 1968

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Old January 22nd, 2012, 12:39 AM   #953
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okay sorry, i've never seen a NYorker with a plastic card !
Its called a metrocard and everyone has one. They look like there paper , but its thin plastic...
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first automatic driverless line: london underground, victoria line, 1968

but it wasn't really driverless and it wasn't first automated train control technology
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but it wasn't really driverless and it wasn't first automated train control technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_driverless_trains
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does it contradict from what i've said? there were technologies before and it wasn't driverless
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NYC and Chicagos subway/skytrains look so outdated, any plans to uppgrade in the near future?
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there are some new. they just keeps an old design for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yor..._rolling_stock
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Sadly the only heavy systems that will or have unique rolling stocks are in Boston , Vancouver , and DC , the rest are pretty unattractive. As for Stations , the system in NYC is so old and large that the only new stations or upgraded stations will be at Transfer stations or on New lines... With Philly they recently overhauled the Market - Frankfort line , rebuilt stations and replaced the Rolling stock. Same will be done to the Board Street line in a few years and eventually it will be expanded north and south.

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first automatic driverless line: london underground, victoria line, 1968


the true driverless metro without a pilot on board was in lille with a 100% automatic metro.

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