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Old February 3rd, 2012, 12:25 PM   #1021
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Im not sure kung tama nga eto. Nabasa ko kanina sa news today and panay news 629, 750 passengers for 2011 based on the records of CAAP. Kung totoo man eto ibig sabihin bumaba ng almost 500k, kasi last year was 1,201,907...Abangan nalang natin ang official na ilalabas ng CAAP for 2011.
huwag naman sana. were so close in overtaking Iloilo.
and 2011 posed a record high of Boracay tourist arrivals, so a decrease would be unlikely..
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:46 PM   #1022
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Base on the records of the CAAP here, a total of 629, 750 passengers, both foreign and local, passed throught Kalibo International Airport from January to December 2011..

Domestics 383, 459
Foreign / International 246, 29

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are you sure? there seems to be a dramatic decline if that is the case. the year 2010 listed more than 1 million passengers.
I guess this was the time when Caticlan was closed or "semi-closed" due to the Zest Air accidents and CAAP imposed a one-way entry, one-way exit policy that was boycotted by the major airlines such as Cebu Pacific, APX/PAL Express and others due to safety. SEAir was the only airline that stayed in Caticlan (MPH). That time, the major airlines have diverted to Kalibo--including all MPH flights, until such time CAAP lifted the restrictions.

When CAAP lifted the restrictions in MPH, the airlines returned the Caticlan flights.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:06 PM   #1023
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Im not sure kung tama nga eto. Nabasa ko kanina sa news today and panay news 629, 750 passengers for 2011 based on the records of CAAP. Kung totoo man eto ibig sabihin bumaba ng almost 500k, kasi last year was 1,201,907...Abangan nalang natin ang official na ilalabas ng CAAP for 2011.
Possibly they meant one-way and you have to double, cause everyone wants to go back home sometime.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:48 PM   #1024
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Why don't they go all out with Kalibo Airport?

My flight to Kalibo last Jan 21 was delayed by about 2 hours. The reason given was that flights to Caticlan were diverted to Kalibo because of weather issues affecting the former. To make matters worse, Kalibo, we were told, can only accommodate a maximum of three aircraft at a time.

We were already on board the plane when ordered to return to the airport departure area. You can imagine the inconvenience that has caused the passengers since several were with young children and we had to take the shuttle bus to and from the plane.

Many of my co-passengers were groups of Caucasian-looking men and women but some spoke languages different from English. There were lots of Koreans in my previous flights but they were a minority in this one. Our non-Filipino guests were visibly pissed off by the delay, of course, but more so because the Cebu Pacific staff were poor at handling the situation.They explained more to the Filipino passengers using Tagalog while the non-Filipinos were also listening and waiting for them to be addressed. Some passengers were already arguing with the staff because they were left in the dark. And then after about 20 minutes of arguments between the staff and some passenger, we were ordered back to the plane.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:53 PM   #1025
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The airport was made for only a few flights--Marcos-Aquino era...and now Kalibo is overwhelmed with such traffic that itself is already affecting the whole Philippine aviation turnaround (one delay means delay for all for the rest of the day).

Looks like MPH needs to speed up its renovation.

Problem is, when delays happen, naiipon ang eroplano sa Maynila tas sabay-sabay sila magsisialisan papuntang KLO or somewhere else.

RXS is another alternative but I dunno if the tourists will bite that.

ILO is ready to accept but the distance may be a hindrance.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:59 PM   #1026
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The airport was made for only a few flights--Marcos-Aquino era...and now Kalibo is overwhelmed with such traffic that itself is already affecting the whole Philippine aviation turnaround (one delay means delay for all for the rest of the day).

Looks like MPH needs to speed up its renovation.

Problem is, when delays happen, naiipon ang eroplano sa Maynila tas sabay-sabay sila magsisialisan papuntang KLO or somewhere else.

RXS is another alternative but I dunno if the tourists will bite that.

ILO is ready to accept but the distance may be a hindrance.
I believe RXS only serves morning flights. Kung sana if they can divert flights there na lang kung puno na talaga ang KLO after 10:30 until 5:30 man lang sana since RXS I believe is not yet equipped for night flights but this will help decongest.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 04:17 PM   #1027
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The airport was made for only a few flights--Marcos-Aquino era...and now Kalibo is overwhelmed with such traffic that itself is already affecting the whole Philippine aviation turnaround (one delay means delay for all for the rest of the day).

Looks like MPH needs to speed up its renovation.

Problem is, when delays happen, naiipon ang eroplano sa Maynila tas sabay-sabay sila magsisialisan papuntang KLO or somewhere else.

RXS is another alternative but I dunno if the tourists will bite that.

ILO is ready to accept but the distance may be a hindrance.
They've already done some expansion at KLO, right? They should have had more foresight.

From Roxas, won't that be like another 2 hours of travel time going to Caticlan? And 6 hours from Sta. Barbara?
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 05:42 PM   #1028
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They've already done some expansion at KLO, right? They should have had more foresight.

From Roxas, won't that be like another 2 hours of travel time going to Caticlan? And 6 hours from Sta. Barbara?
The expansion doesn't include the expanding capabilities of the airport itself, not just the passenger terminal. (eg. Apron, taxiway, runway). Aside from the passenger terminal, these essential components of the airport affects its loading capacity and efficiency.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 06:52 PM   #1029
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Old February 4th, 2012, 04:51 AM   #1030
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They've already done some expansion at KLO, right? They should have had more foresight.

From Roxas, won't that be like another 2 hours of travel time going to Caticlan? And 6 hours from Sta. Barbara?

that's the magic word.. foresight.. KLO deserves a larger terminal.. something that could handle 5 Million passengers annually, the least.. and the government should've built Panay's version of Amtrak. connecting San Jose-Caticlan-Kalibo-Roxas-Passi-Iloilo-Guimaras.. talking about foresight, it's like dreaming the impossible dream in the Philippines with the kind of government that we have..
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:20 AM   #1031
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that's the magic word.. foresight.. KLO deserves a larger terminal.. something that could handle 5 Million passengers annually, the least.. and the government should've built Panay's version of Amtrak. connecting San Jose-Caticlan-Kalibo-Roxas-Passi-Iloilo-Guimaras.. talking about foresight, it's like dreaming the impossible dream in the Philippines with the kind of government that we have..
I can only sigh and look on the heavens and ask...till when?
If we construct a big terminal, people will point it as "white elephant" and a structure of controversy and corruption. Complain.
If we construct too late, they'll complain about the inadequacies. Complain again.
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I can only sigh and look on the heavens and ask...till when?
If we construct a big terminal, people will point it as "white elephant" and a structure of controversy and corruption. Complain.
If we construct too late, they'll complain about the inadequacies. Complain again.
people seeing white elephants are those who do not have foresight.. you know who those people are, same old, same old.. decades ago they were already there, look where they are now, still there.. look at NAIA 3, ILO and BCD, perfect examples of structures built short of or without any sense of vision and ambition.. These terminals shouldn't have been due for expansion this soon if they were made by "real" visionaries.. I think Laguindingan has already reached it's capacity before it is even completed. KLO, which is the gateway of the country's most famous destination deserves better than that! How I wish they can build a railway connection at least between KLO and Boracay if they can't build it for the whole island of Panay at the moment!
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #1033
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i heard on the radio this morning that CAAP officials are flying in on Monday to discuss about slotting (rescheduling of flights so they won't land simultaneously). they're also going to talk about the expansion/rehabilitation of the old terminal. one bottleneck that prevents the realization of this plan is land acquisition.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #1034
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[QUOTE=skyskimmer;88222015]i heard on the radio this morning that CAAP officials are flying in on Monday to discuss about slotting (rescheduling of flights so they won't land simultaneously). they're also going to talk about the expansion/rehabilitation of the old terminal. one bottleneck that prevents the realization of this plan is land acquisition.[



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Old February 4th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #1035
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people seeing white elephants are those who do not have foresight.. you know who those people are, same old, same old.. decades ago they were already there, look where they are now, still there.. look at NAIA 3, ILO and BCD, perfect examples of structures built short of or without any sense of vision and ambition.. These terminals shouldn't have been due for expansion this soon if they were made by "real" visionaries.. I think Laguindingan has already reached it's capacity before it is even completed. KLO, which is the gateway of the country's most famous destination deserves better than that! How I wish they can build a railway connection at least between KLO and Boracay if they can't build it for the whole island of Panay at the moment!

Boracay-Gem of the Philippines. A slogan of DOT during PGMA but I was completely dismayed why they built modern airport 6 hours away from Boracay. If they instead allocate huge budget in KLO during her last term sana we have something to boast to our foreign visitors when they landed in KLO. Php8 Billion project that after 5yrs since operation caters only to domestic flights is just a waste of money.
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Boracay-Gem of the Philippines. A slogan of DOT during PGMA but I was completely dismayed why they built modern airport 6 hours away from Boracay. If they instead allocate huge budget in KLO during her last term sana we have something to boast to our foreign visitors when they landed in KLO. Php8 Billion project that after 5yrs since operation caters only to domestic flights is just a waste of money.
Why are you dismayed? The modern Iloilo Airport which is 6 hours away from Kalibo was built mainly to serve the Province of Iloilo. The old airport at Mandurriao that time was crowded, old, etc. Four years after the operation of Iloilo Airport, it reached its maximum capacity which was forecasted to happen on 2015 pa. The number continues to increase annually and is expected to increase more this year due to its additional domestic flights.

Building a big terminal that does not cater int'l flights is not a waste of money. It's just a preparation to something big. It's just being anticipative. Look at what happend to Kalibo Airport. Previous admins made it for few flights. Look at what it is now.

KLO needs to "rebrand". It's an international gateway, thus, needs a WOW factor.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #1037
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Boracay-Gem of the Philippines. A slogan of DOT during PGMA but I was completely dismayed why they built modern airport 6 hours away from Boracay. If they instead allocate huge budget in KLO during her last term sana we have something to boast to our foreign visitors when they landed in KLO. Php8 Billion project that after 5yrs since operation caters only to domestic flights is just a waste of money.
It wasn't a waste of money. It was already anticipated and long been waited (decada 90 pa--El Tabako era pa). In fact, it has already breached its intended capacity of 1.5 million passengers per annum in less than 5 years and still growing. Also, the growing conurbation around it poses as a security and safety risk. It wasn't a waste of public money if you ask me since it has served its purpose and have already gone beyond what has been expected. Having no international routes in this airport doesn't mean it is dysfunctional.

Iloilo's market is way different from that of Kalibo and Caticlan's. Just think of how can you fit 1.6 million passengers today in Mandurriao Airport?

On the other hand, Kalibo was overwhelmed by the sudden blast of tourist numbers since Caticlan wasn't able to handle it. Hence, PPP was there. Remember that in 5-10 years time, MPH would be upgraded by a private company. Hence increasing its capacity to accommodate bigger craft and night landings.

As to the fate of Kalibo Airport after Caticlan Airport has been fully switched on for bigger craft and air traffic, that we don't know. Although we're sure that it would serve as an alternate airport for Caticlan or vice versa.
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It wasn't a waste of money. It was already anticipated and long been waited (decada 90 pa--El Tabako era pa). In fact, it has already breached its intended capacity of 1.5 million passengers per annum in less than 5 years and still growing. Also, the growing conurbation around it poses as a security and safety risk. It wasn't a waste of public money if you ask me since it has served its purpose and have already gone beyond what has been expected. Having no international routes in this airport doesn't mean it is dysfunctional.

Iloilo's market is way different from that of Kalibo and Caticlan's. Just think of how can you fit 1.6 million passengers today in Mandurriao Airport?

On the other hand, Kalibo was overwhelmed by the sudden blast of tourist numbers since Caticlan wasn't able to handle it. Hence, PPP was there. Remember that in 5-10 years time, MPH would be upgraded by a private company. Hence increasing its capacity to accommodate bigger craft and night landings.

As to the fate of Kalibo Airport after Caticlan Airport has been fully switched on for bigger craft and air traffic, that we don't know. Although we're sure that it would serve as an alternate airport for Caticlan or vice versa.
1.6M passengers in a huge domestic terminal is already a breakthrough and we owe this to LCCs w/c made air travel more affordable for every Juan
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Lets tell our tourist to wait 5yrs or more before Caticlan is open for international flights. Thanks to PPP. Perhaps by yr 2017, 2 international airports in Panay both in Aklan are accommodating heavy volume of vacationers bound for Boracay.
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1.6M passengers in a huge domestic terminal is already a breakthrough and we owe this to LCCs w/c made air travel more affordable for every Juan
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Lets tell our tourist to wait 5yrs or more before Caticlan is open for international flights. Thanks to PPP. Perhaps by yr 2017, 2 international airports in Panay both in Aklan are accommodating heavy volume of vacationers bound for Boracay.
Kalibo / Caticlan needs a major rennnovation ... perhaps the airport/s which deserves it the most next to NAIA Terminal 1 (right now).

But to say that the ILO airport is a waste of money because it only caters to domestic passengers is very unfair. LCCs offer promo flights to all of their routes not just ILO but then ... ILO is still the fourth busiest airport in the country. That's definitely a positive fact worth looking into.

ILO has been fought for decades before it materialized. If you're looking for someone to blame please don't downplay ILO for that. ILO needed a major expansion too.
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I don't think this is an issue of "who deserves" a new airport... because we all do.. It's a shame that iloilo officials, especially the provincial government isn't that proactive in making international flights a reality, but it definitely serves its purpose, in fact serving way beyond the projected numbers..

Going back to Kalibo, I would have to say that, with the current steady increase in passenger load and rate of development within the province of Aklan, 5 Million annual capacity is even conservative.. It should be built to handle large aircrafts and steady traffic 24/7.. and keep operations in Caticlan to a minimum.. We don't want noise pollution in and around our premier island destination...
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