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The Southeast's Tallest Building To Be Sold On The Courthouse Steps
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I've got about $32.50 in my wallet right now. Anyone want to go in with me?
![]() One catch - Even if I'm just partial owner we HAVE to redo the crown. The Pyramid and the spire have nothing in common with the actual column of the tower, which is an architectural no-no in my book.
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![]() I'm just wondering what kind of deposit or letter of bank credit one would need to bid on a supertall on the courthouse steps. It's gotta be a little bit more than for a foreclosed 3 br home.
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Atlanta may be THE riches-to-rags story in the Southeast.
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I actually see this as a good sign for Atlanta. Only after all the bodies wash ashore can a full recovery of property values take root. Having endured some of the worst effects of the real estate bust, maybe Atlanta is finally bottoming out and will no doubt recover fast. Already the rental market is doing well and new apartments are going up. Other sectors shouldn't be far behind...
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Actually, for the Atlanta end of it, this is a riches to riches story. It was sold by Cousins, the local real estate company, to Bentley Forbes an LA-based company at the height of the market. This is nothing more than an out of towner paying too much for a property in an up market, immediately followed by a historic real estate crash. After the BofA downsizing, they simply could not offer competitive rates due to the gold-plated price they paid for the building. Its no different from people that find themselves upside down in a mortgage and determine the best financial option is to simply walk away despite having high incomes.
It wouldn't surprise me if Cousins ends up with the building again at a fraction of what they sold it for which they will promptly fill up with tenants and sell for a profit....AGAIN. Last edited by gwiATLeman; February 8th, 2012 at 02:55 AM. |
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Bentley Forbes also arguably paid too much for a very similar building in Chicago - 2PP. Ironically, the Atlanta and Chicago office markets are virtually identical...musical chairs markets and constantly overbuilt, which puts downward pressure on pricing. While both markets are more expensive than their TX counterparts (or were), the lack of barriers to entry for new buildings pits downward pressure against the upward drive of CMBS markets and competitive bidding for "2nd tier" office markets by institutions. Another similarity between the two markets is a lack of job growth, which hurts office and industrial properties.
Bentley Forbes paid about $350/SF, which to put things in perspective is nearly twice as much as investors typically pay for Willis, Aon, and JHC (office) in Chicago. BofA had about 375,000 SF at I believe $36psf at one point, and now they have half the space and pay half the rent. One of the top law firms in the building is also relocating to Midtown. An unspoken problem with the building is not the building itself (it is a gorgeous, beautifully built out class A trophy with top security), but its location. Tenants have long complained about the Peachtree Pine shelter nearby. A good restaurant nearby also closed for good because people did not want to risk going there despite the good food. Thankfully that issue is being resolved right now, and there are redevelopment plans. If the SoNo (South of North) dead zone can be redeveloped, then the new owners should really be able to capitalize off of a fresh basis. It could be another Cousins story (I would look at investing with the next owner depending on what they pay...which will be public knowledge though you won't know what the $ amount means without the rent roll and due diligence).
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The top of the building has always reminded me of the rafters in an old barn. I've always thought it was a great looking building - except for the top.
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To compliment what others have said, Atlanta's overbuilt office market is coupled with a now actively recovering (quite well, actually) housing and rental market. This means a short-term slow down in new office development but is expected to produce more refined products and office spaces going forward. The owners of two downtown buildings have been thankful for the opportunity to fully redress their properties during the lull. Should the metro region's transportation sales tax measure pass then I expect the rebound to occur much more quickly.
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Cant believe they got the building for 250 mil. Thats quite a swoop. |
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I love the crown...as do many other people, including architects and others in the business. It's popular on this site to criticize it, but it's a different story in the real world. Some people just love to complain.
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Every architect I've dealt with, including several @ TVS, Portman and with Heery has pretty much panned it, most notably the topping spire that seemingly has nothing in common with the rest of the structure. I was at Tech for undergrad when it went up, and the collective among the staff there was "Why the change?" Is it hideous? No, but it's far from graceful and harmoneous, IMO. If there were more elements of exposed structure throughout then maybe.
C'est la vie.
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I think we can live with something that "non-experts" all seem to love. Personally? I'm indifferent about it's crown. |
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I'd be just as happy redoing the base of those as I would recap the BoA and Equitable buildings.
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But I guess you can't pick the building up and add a new ground floor... |
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It's not a bad building, it's just that given the location and size it was guaranteed to become an icon for the city, and because of that it seems they should've done so much more. If Atlanta kept seeing more skyscrapers maybe this wouldn't be as critical, but when this remains the tallest in the southeast after so many years and there's nothing else around it then it's going to draw all that much more attention. Like on message boards and stuff!
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I'll put $20 in with ya!
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