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Old January 31st, 2012, 02:24 PM   #201
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Full size Chevy Suburban SUV You rarely see them. This SUV is very space-consuming.



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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:48 PM   #202
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full-sized SUV's are also available in the Philippines for years...

just like the:

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Old February 1st, 2012, 01:35 AM   #203
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Amazing how this long-lived thread outlasted most of the subjects!
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Old February 1st, 2012, 06:47 PM   #204
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Amazing how this long-lived thread outlasted most of the subjects!
What do you mean? It's still available: http://www.chevrolet.com/suburban-suvs/
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Old February 10th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #205
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IMHO

The Cadillac Escalade is crapshit. It's excessively heavy, bulky and interior looks rubbish. Heck, a Toyota Land Cruiser 200 or a Volvo XC90 or even a Land Rover can run circles around an Escalade and those are way better SUVs than the Escalade.

It's a shame because Cadillac makes superb products (like the CTS-V Sport Wagon) but this Escalade is just garbage. Then who drives these: Fake gangsters, hip-hop rappers, drug dealers or (god forbid) soccer moms.

ZERO SUBSTANCE

An Audi Q7 or Merc GL class are way better SUVs than shitty Escalade.



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It was the previous generation, but even with the current gen, the Escalade is still trash heap. IMHO, it's the worst General Motors vehicle of the 21st century.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #206
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In my humble opinion.... SUVs are american. All the rest is a bad imitation. If I have to choose between an Escalade and same level of European like VW Touareg, BMW X5, Audi Q7, Volvo XC90, Porsche Cayenne, Toyota Land Cruiser... I would buy an Escalade (Maybe I would be undecided between it and a Range Rover Vogue - the only non-american brand in my opinion which makes good SUV and offroad vehicles) . Surely there are better american SUV than Escalade (Dodge Durango for example, my favourite one since the first series), but I prefere a fake-gangster car than a "stressed and arrogant manager" car like the Q7 or Cayenne. Here in Milan and suburbs are full of these cars...an Escalade would be certainly different.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #207
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American cars like Dodge Rams or Chevy Tahoes are very rare here and feel quite out of place among the tiny hatchbacks that make up most of the cars. A least here the SUV owner had the decency to park it next to the 307 sw instead of the Clio.

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Old February 13th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #208
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American cars like Dodge Rams or Chevy Tahoes are very rare here and feel quite out of place among the tiny hatchbacks that make up most of the cars. A least here the SUV owner had the decency to park it next to the 307 sw instead of the Clio.
You stupid foreigners don't even know what you're talking about! That's no SUV, that's a pickup truck. Pickups have an open box in back, SUVs have an interior cargo area. Same deal with the Nissan Navara posted earlier, that's a pickup, not an SUV. (The same truck is sold in the States as the Nissan Frontier.)

Don't take it personally, I am not calling you stupid.
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An Audi Q7 or Merc GL class are way better SUVs than shitty Escalade.
Can't beat a G-wagon! Classy as fuck.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 03:03 PM   #209
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Ok, my bad. Here we just say "4x4" for every 4WD vehicle, be it a SUV, a pickup or whatever, hence my confusion.

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Old February 14th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #210
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They have their uses and despite using more fuel than the average small hatchback, they last much longer as they are built for strength and durability.

Hence in that sense they are actually "greener"
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Old March 5th, 2012, 01:48 PM   #211
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Nope, full-size SUVs are not that uncommon in Belgium and are increasing in numbers. Here in Belgium the most common are European & Japanese ones of course, but I also see quite a few Chevrolet Suburbans and a minority of other American SUVs on our roads. Same with pick-ups. A friend of mine drives a Ford F-150, a guy in my neighbourhood has a Lincoln Mark LT (& a Cadillac "something" + a Corvette), etc. The most common American pick-up truck I see is the Dodge Ram.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #212
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Can't beat a G-wagon! Classy as fuck.
I have to agree with that. There is no better offroad car than an old G-class from Mercedes
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Old March 5th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #213
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full-sized SUV's are also available in the Philippines for years...

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The ironic thing is some roads around Metro Manila are narrow to handle such vehicle.

The Ford Expedition is slowly losing it's popularity in The Philippines due to the fact it runs on unleaded gasoline which is more expensive compared to diesel.

The Toyota Fortuner is now the most popular of this type here.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #214
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In my humble opinion.... SUVs are american. All the rest is a bad imitation. If I have to choose between an Escalade and same level of European like VW Touareg, BMW X5, Audi Q7, Volvo XC90, Porsche Cayenne, Toyota Land Cruiser... I would buy an Escalade (Maybe I would be undecided between it and a Range Rover Vogue - the only non-american brand in my opinion which makes good SUV and offroad vehicles) . Surely there are better american SUV than Escalade (Dodge Durango for example, my favourite one since the first series), but I prefere a fake-gangster car than a "stressed and arrogant manager" car like the Q7 or Cayenne. Here in Milan and suburbs are full of these cars...an Escalade would be certainly different.
You're kidding, really you think the SUV's made in the US are as good as Touareg, X5, Q7, Cayenne, XC90 or LAnd Cruiser? I guess you've never driven something made in Europe or Japan back to back with a Tahoe, Escalade, Navigator. This is about the dumbest comment in the entire thread.

As for SUV's being American they are not, Land Rover built the first modern SUV, it was launched in 1970 as the Range Rover, all modern SUV's can be traced back to this vehicle.

If you go to locations where SUV's are actually used for their intended purposes, like Africa or the Australian outback it's Toyota Landcruiser's (especially the 70 series) and Nissan's Patrol which dominate the market, you will very rarely see anything American and only the odd Defender or Discovery.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #215
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You're kidding, really you think the SUV's made in the US are as good as Touareg, X5, Q7, Cayenne, XC90 or LAnd Cruiser? I guess you've never driven something made in Europe or Japan back to back with a Tahoe, Escalade, Navigator. This is about the dumbest comment in the entire thread.
And maybe you are the dumbest user of the thread cause you talk without to know the things....I live in Europe and those shit I see everyday (and driven too). Can't I have an opinion different of yours??? I have to like by force european SUVs?????
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If you go to locations where SUV's are actually used for their intended purposes, like Africa or the Australian outback it's Toyota Landcruiser's (especially the 70 series) and Nissan's Patrol which dominate the market, you will very rarely see anything American and only the odd Defender or Discovery.
First is better you learn the difference between SUV and Offroad vehicle, than maybe you can speak.....
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As for SUV's being American they are not, Land Rover built the first modern SUV, it was launched in 1970 as the Range Rover, all modern SUV's can be traced back to this vehicle.
Chevrolet started producing the Suburban in 1933 and Jeep started the production of the Wagoneer in 1963.
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Interesting thread, Satyricon I don't think you could call any of the US built SUV's you mentioned offroad vehicles, various Jeep model are the exception, the Landcruiser, Patrol and various Land Rover Range Rover products easily straddle the suv offroad genre.

Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.

My pick for the first SUV is the Jeep Cherokee. According to the transportation curator at the Henry Ford Museum, Robert Casey

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the Jeep Cherokee (XJ) was the first true sport utility vehicle in the modern understanding of the term. Marketed to urban families as a substitute for a traditional car (and especially station wagons, which were still fairly popular at the time), the Chrerokee had four-wheel drive in a more manageable size (compared to the full-size Wagoneer), as well as a plush interior resembling a station wagon
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Old March 6th, 2012, 03:53 PM   #219
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Interesting thread, Satyricon I don't think you could call any of the US built SUV's you mentioned offroad vehicles, various Jeep model are the exception, the Landcruiser, Patrol and various Land Rover Range Rover products easily straddle the suv offroad genre.

Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.

My pick for the first SUV is the Jeep Cherokee. According to the transportation curator at the Henry Ford Museum, Robert Casey
Infact I dont call the offroad vehicles, SUVs are made mainly for paved roads, the chassis is different and they have permanent 4WD whereas offroad vehicles have mostly are rear-wheel drive with the possibility to put 4WD and reduced gears. Of course for a off-road vehicle I would chose a Land Rover Defender or Mitsubishi Pajero, but here we are speaking of SUVs, not offroad vehicles. I think many people don't know the difference, like the user who wrote before that just made a big confusion.
This video shows the difference from a properly SUV (BMW X6) and the Range Rover (SUV with offroad characteristics - last series. Previous series were very properly offroads). That's why I say you can't compare a Defender to a Suburban, they are two different categories

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Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.
It may not have been a suv when it debuted in the '30s, but by the early '60s then it evolved into what I would call a SUV. Of course it was still a very crude construction but so were early Range Rovers and other early SUV-like vehicles.

I can't say I agree that the Cherokee were any more SUV than the earlier Wagoneer either.
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