Ciudad Amurallada: Intramuros de Manila

[archgerry]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

May ganyan ang Manila nuong panahon ni Madame Imelda marcos. Lahat dapat ng structure ay white tapos red un bubong. Not only that, dapat walang lalampas, in height, na structure sa mga neoclassicals ng Luneta. Parang sa washington d.c....

Nung umupo lang si cory at bumaba na ang mga marcoses dun nawala ang 'uniformity' ng Manila at nagkandalokoloko na ang kulay at height.

Teka, kung hindi ako nagkakamali tinayo ang yung current Palacio del Gobernador noong 1976. Panahon ni Marcos at Imelda saka during the height of Martial Law. So mali yata yung logic na nagkandaloko na ang kulay at height nang umupo lang si cory at bumaba ang mga marcoses. So how does it explain that 12-storey monstrosity?

Try to keep this forum apolitical guys. Nawawalan ng merits ang forum kung may bahid politika.

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by archgerry

Teka, kung hindi ako nagkakamali tinayo ang yung current Palacio del Gobernador noong 1976. Panahon ni Marcos at Imelda saka during the height of Martial Law. So mali yata yung logic na nagkandaloko na ang kulay at height nang umupo lang si cory at bumaba ang mga marcoses. So how does it explain that 12-storey monstrosity?

Try to keep this forum apolitical guys. Nawawalan ng merits ang forum kung may bahid politika.

Palacio del gobernador, if i recall, is still within the 16 story height limit imposed throughout manila.....even if it's a huge monstrosity inside intramuros

Nagsulputan lang ng out of control un mga skyscrapers around luneta and intramuros within and post cory era at lalo pang dumami nung ramos era dahil nawala na un kamay na bakal ng gobyerno.


Anyway, back on topic:

Sana un nagrerestore ng ayumento, isunod naman si Intendencia na buo parin un outer shell nya:
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http://pinoyshooter.org/bogs/2010/10...amuros-manila/

[psionic]

Plaza Mayor, Intramuros using my cam phone.

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[Christian_123]

Sana alisin un mga overhead wires at ibalik un mga cobble stone roads at dapat gawin white un palacio del gobernador para ma compliment si ayumento.

[Wolfranz]

Was the Ayuntamiento really painted white in the Spanish Period? I think a two-color motif (white and another color, like light ochre/pale pink) like in many classical buildings in Europe would add more plasticity to the otherwise flat facade and allow it to blend better with the stone buildings of Intramuros.

[Christian_123]

I think the original scheme of the Ayumento is much like the Intendencia and Palacio del gobernador. Then when the americans came, i think they painted everything in intramuros in white.

[jeff1101]

I think that the idea that period buildings were originally white in color is a myth perpetuated quite recently and has no basis in fact.

[jeff1101]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

I think the original scheme of the Ayumento is much like the Intendencia and Palacio del gobernador. Then when the americans came, i think they painted everything in intramuros in white.

The Americans could not have done what you are saying since :

a. The Palacio del Gobernador was already destroyed even before the Americans came. In fact the Geovernor General already had his offices at Malacanang even before the American period.

b. The Intendencia building was not stuccoed and has its stone exposed just like you see today and even in period photos during the American period was not painted white.

Please dont make blanket statements and expect everyone to accept it as fact. The painted white myth started in the period houses in Vigan and I dont ever heard this being the case in Manila.

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by jeff1101

The Americans could not have done what you are saying since :

a. The Palacio del Gobernador was already destroyed even before the Americans came. In fact the Geovernor General already had his offices at Malacanang even before the American period.

Please dont make blanket statements and expect everyone to accept it as fact. The painted white myth started in the period houses in Vigan and I dont ever heard this being the case in Manila.

Kaya nga may 'i think' dahil hinde rin ako sure. jeez

Just got the idea of 'americans painting intramuros in white' when they built the neoclassicals around it and the fact americans love their structures in white. Malacanang still uses the american white-red colour scheme up to this day.

Originally Posted by jeff1101

b. The Intendencia building was not stuccoed and has its stone exposed just like you see today and even in period photos during the American period was not painted white.

Odd, Intendencia / Aduana looks extremely white and smooth in this american period photos:

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Another topic:

Intramuros 'recovering' while filled with squatters everywhere just after the war:


Notice how literately everything has one colour scheme under the marcos regime..

[dvbaicrviser]

Sana yung milyon-milyon na ginastos ni Imelda Marcos sa City of Man niya, inunan muna niya ginamit sa pagbuo ulit ng Intramuros. Mas madali pa noong panahon noon kasi walang pwede kumontra sa mga plano niya lalo na sa pagpapaalis ng mga squatters at paglalabas ng pondo para matustusan ang pagpapagawa ng mga nasira sa Intramuros.

[jeff1101]

Odd, Intendencia / Aduana looks extremely white and smooth in this american period photos:

Granted the photo is accurate, (there were no color photographs in the 1900s but black and white pictures were literally hand painted with colored oils or using red, green and blue filters to make 'colored' photographs, a technique called 'Digichromatography'), -

then how can you be so sure that the building was white only during the American period? The spanish or (americans for that matter) could have painted that in any color (like they do in the Manila city hall today) and was only 'white' when the photo was taken.

In your second photo, the building was shot in black and 'white'. It is not a colored photo. How can you say for certain in the second photo , the color of the building is white? Notice you can see the exposed masonry stones and joinery of the first floor, do you think the Americans painted the exposed stones white?

They could have painted the structure cream, beige or even yellow and it would appear 'grey' (just like in your photo) in a black and white picture.

[psionic]

Re:color. They are painting the ayuntamiento cream color. parang yellowish. primer lang ang white. di lang nakikita sa pic ko. basta maganda na pagkacream complimented with the dark brown wood frames ng windows at black ornamental grills sa baba ng windows.

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by psionic

Re:color. They are painting the ayuntamiento cream color. parang yellowish. primer lang ang white. di lang nakikita sa pic ko. basta maganda na pagkacream complimented with the dark brown wood frames ng windows at black ornamental grills sa baba ng windows.

Good to hear that. Atleast it would compliment the structures around it instead of being super bright...

Next up: Hopefully the Aduana structure

[Bricken Ridge]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

Another topic:

Intramuros 'recovering' while filled with squatters everywhere just after the war:






Notice how literately everything has one colour scheme under the marcos regime.

That's just so funny. Imelda might sing Dahil Sa Iyo after reading this.

[Hawayano]

if you look closely, are those the partial ruins of San Juan de Dios still standing in the Lyceum compound?

[jeff1101]

Originally Posted by Hawayano

if you look closely, are those the partial ruins of San Juan de Dios still standing in the Lyceum compound?

I'm very impressed sir. Did not even noticed the ruins let alone place it as the specific building. Your background knowledge of this subject astounds me.

[apn75]

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José Honorato Lozano, Plaza Mayor de Manila, 1847, Biblioteca Nacional de España.

[miss the phils]

Originally Posted by plmetzen

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cool hotel

[apn75]

An article on the ongoing Escuela Taller restoration of Malate Church:

http://www.bworldonline.com/weekende...t.php?id=47266

May other historic churches in the Philippines follow suit.

Also, shameless self-promotion:

http://pupuplatter.tumblr.com/

[s_w_stars]

Originally Posted by Wolfranz

Was the Ayuntamiento really painted white in the Spanish Period? I think a two-color motif (white and another color, like light ochre/pale pink) like in many classical buildings in Europe would add more plasticity to the otherwise flat facade and allow it to blend better with the stone buildings of Intramuros.

Here is my contribution to the colour discussions. Colour would depend on the era when they were built, the builders "heritage", the materials used etc. The American neo classical buildings were definitely white (or sort of off white, egg shell), and white was predominant in their buildings.

The original Spanish era Philippine construction were made of stone, (adobe or something), and they were gray. The old stone houses I remember seeing in my youth in da probins were gray (or greenish gray), and the top part of the house was wood. The roofing were "vigan" tiles which were either reddish (terracotta I guess.) A good example I saw was Baclayon Church in Bohol. The current one is just gray stone but inside the museum, a model of the original was painted white, with red roof (vigan tyles.) Something interesting I learned, the stone used were from dead corals, and they tend to sweat, moist. That's why if they had been plastered or stuccoed, they probably would have peeled off over the centuries because of the moisture. Another interesting church I saw was the cathedral in Tuguegarao, with exposed red bricks. I learned they followed the style of Italian brick construction. Santa Cruz church in Manila, I remembered as a kid was white too and looked different, more like Mexican style.

As for the predominant colour in colonial cities, the ones I've seen visited were mostly white, with yellow ochre (dull or rusty yellow), terracotta (or brick red), and greenish/blue for colours (if they had them) not day glo colours (like that green on Rizal's house) or bright/grey combination (like the National Museum), or the peachy orange that seems to be popular now. One place Villa de Leyva (Colombia) was all white but had dark green roofing and maybe brown wood trims. Colonial structures in South America are probably the closest in style and comparison to what Intramuros and Spanish colonial Philippines could have been. Since Intramuros is trying to recreate what was, then they should stick to whatever colours available or used that time. Btw., adobe or coral stones tend to sweat, and grow algae in the humidity so chances are many of the Philippine buildings were probably grey.

More power to the Intramuros restoration. When all is done, hopefully, it gets the UNESCO seal of approval, and it becomes a mega attraction for our Asian neighbours who can appreciate something different.