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Old February 18th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #41
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That Metrolink thing in Manchester appears to have someone vaguely Lancastrian (I'm not sure which town) doing its announcements. Obviously Merseyrail Electrics extends, just about, to areas where the folk do not have Liverpool accents but the extremity of the woman's beyond-RP paralect does clang in a local context. I prefer it when I hear the generally north Liverpool accents of the driver butting in and adding extra information, most commonly just before the Sandhills junction as it happens. And he always says it right.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 06:59 PM   #42
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The Merseyrail woman gets around... you'll also hear her on some London Underground lines


I really like the way announcements are done on the Barcelona Metro.



Having the female voice say station names and the male voice say any other info make it very clear for any one who doesn't speak the language. And the voices are in Catalan (although whether they're Barcelona accents or not, I have no idea), not Spanish
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Old February 18th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #43
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That reminds me of a time when I was on the London Underground and a man across from me was conducting a conversation with himself, in two voices: one posh sounding man and the other a cockney woman.

Real driver's voices are the best though. Like when I was on the M in Cambridge, Massachusetts once and the driver announced that we were approaching Havad Squeh.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #44
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I like the female announcer on Merseyrail, she pronounces station names clearly and everyone can understand her. I got the train from Kirkby to Manchester on Thursday, and the conductor was the announcer. I couldn't understand anything he said, as he seemed to muffle every word.

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She does, I heard her on the train I got a few weeks ago from Stafford to Birmingham New Street.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #45
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A station there and another near the Tobacco Warehouse would be great. It seems stupid that there's such a huge gap between Moorfields and Sandhills and yet there's a train passing every 5 mins!


I'd also stick a new station somewhere between Chinatown and the Anglican Cathedral and one somewhere in Toxteth to help with regeneration in these areas (and I'd turn Ormskirk and Kirkby trains around at Brunswick or South Parkway to help relieve pressure on Central (which I'd rename Central Village after its refurb)).
Liverpool City Council have had a station on the Northern Line at Stanley Dock in mind for a number of years (to be called 'Vauxhall'). There is/was a station (St James's) on the corner of Upper Parliament Street/Great George Street (opposite the Bridal Shop) which could be re-named 'Cathedral' or 'Cathedral St James'.

A loop between the two along Strand Street etc would be a tourism loop and a commercial loop connecting the convention/leisure/hotel facilities in the south to the commercial offices and residential in the north - of course picking up Cruise Liner/Pier Head traffic on the way.

A link via the underground 'under the water' (via the existing tunnel) would not be easy (without changing) but could not only tie Liverpool and Wirral Waters together but also extend the 'tourist experience' to take in Hamilton Square and Cammell Laird.

Ambitious but not a pipe dream. If you want to make the waterfront happen, you have to have it.







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Old February 18th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #46
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I like the female announcer on Merseyrail, she pronounces station names clearly and everyone can understand her.
Clarity is for dullards.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #47
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I really like the way announcements are done on the Barcelona Metro.



Having the female voice say station names and the male voice say any other info make it very clear for any one who doesn't speak the language. And the voices are in Catalan (although whether they're Barcelona accents or not, I have no idea), not Spanish
I guess that has that been edited. It's a few years since I've been to Barcelona, but the announcements were always in both Catalan and Spanish. Has it changed?

On the subject of renaming stations, which was mentioned a couple of posts ago, should James Street be renamed? Pier Head, perhaps? I know the purists wouldn't like it, but I don't think there is every going to be a station right at the Pier Head ever again as was the case with the Overhead. I think a renaming makes sense, personally.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #48
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I guess that has that been edited. It's a few years since I've been to Barcelona, but the announcements were always in both Catalan and Spanish. Has it changed?
Only Catalan now. To be fair though, the Catalan is very similar to the Spanish. "Proxima estació: Catalunya" vs "Proxima estación: Cataluña". I understand every word of it and my Spanish is a bit rusty

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On the subject of renaming stations, which was mentioned a couple of posts ago, should James Street be renamed? Pier Head, perhaps? I know the purists wouldn't like it, but I don't think there is every going to be a station right at the Pier Head ever again as was the case with the Overhead. I think a renaming makes sense, personally.
Yeah Pier Head could be a better name... or maybe Waterfront?
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Old February 20th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #49
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hear the generally north Liverpool accents of the driver butting in and adding extra information, most commonly just before the Sandhills junction as it happens. And he always says it right.
Cheesh ... I guess the drivers themselves must've seen (dealt with) one too many a senior citizen being mislead by the automated on-board announcment there. It sort of reminds me how telephonic voice menus around Montreal have dreadfully gushy female Americans for the options said in English yet either a stern male or classy female in a standard French accent (i.e., continental one, which is really foreign-sounding for Québécois [Quebeckers]) for the same options read out in French
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This is an old thread! Dusted off for y-imby...

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Old March 24th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #51
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Love it! Working on something similar myself at the minute, Liverpool Waters to LJLA.

I think a monorail down the strand would look great, that render just proves it!
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Old March 24th, 2017, 08:07 PM   #52
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Is there a chance the track could bend?
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Old March 24th, 2017, 09:39 PM   #54
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How long could a monorail or something similar take to get from South Parkway to the airport? I assume this would be much cheaper than a heavy rail spur. An airport-LW line should also be connected at its other end to the Northern Line for maximum connectivity, perhaps at one of the Bootle stations to enhance the attractiveness of the Bootle office district.
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How long could a monorail or something similar take to get from South Parkway to the airport? I assume this would be much cheaper than a heavy rail spur. An airport-LW line should also be connected at its other end to the Northern Line for maximum connectivity, perhaps at one of the Bootle stations to enhance the attractiveness of the Bootle office district.
I've considered some of that, the route visual is on www.y-imby.com
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:58 AM   #56
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Great render again Mike. I always think that the one thing from the past that Scousers would like to bring back more than anything else is the Liverpool Overhead Railway.

One prerequisite of any attempt to revive the LOR must be that it runs along the Strand in the iconic location you have shown but I think that some liberties could be taken with the route elsewhere.

I once met Adrian Jarvis, the port historian who did a history of the LOR. He told me that he had a lot of criticism for revealing that the old railway was not that well constructed or managed. The demise came about from wartime damage, long term neglect and the diminishing of its traditional markets.

Whilst it would be great to have a replica of the original system, I think that would be best left in the museum. With modern construction, far greater spans could be achieved and a much lighter structure created. I could envisage a modern version flying over docks much the same way as the DLR does.

I doubt that nowadays there would be much of a market for a Seaforth to Dingle service but, with the Everton stadium at Bramley Moore dock, Stanley Dock apartment and hotel complex, the Ten Streets, Liverpool Waters, the Pier Head and the ACC there is a good mix of origins and destinations for any new railway.
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California - Oakland airport light rail

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I've considered some of that, the route visual is on www.y-imby.com
It would be better if the JLA light rail (or monorail) station were docked at the departures level rather than ground level. And elevated throughout, including at LSP.
Better also to pass South of Speke Hall thus giving spectacular views to the passengers.
And provide stops at the aeroplane museum/hotel complex and at a new long term car park / car hire depot.
Given the short distances involved provision is needed for only two or three car trains. Just like the original LOR.
Nice drawings though. Congrats.

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It would be better if the JLA light rail (or monorail) station were docked at the departures level rather than ground level. And elevated throughout, including at LSP.
Better also to pass South of Speke Hall thus giving spectacular views to the passengers.
And provide stops at the aeroplane museum/hotel complex and at a new long term car park / car hire depot.
Given the short distances involved provision is needed for only two or three car trains. Just like the original LOR.
Nice drawings though. Congrats.

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The bridge level at LSP may.also facilitate access to overhead platforms there. Could the line be suspended.above / close to the Northern lime.ans run out to the river that way to head towards the city? Or would it be better to run to the airport frommthe city first, then loop the end of the line back to.LSP?
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This is essentially what I imagine the route would look like. The airport would be linked via a line that completely bypasses anything to do with Speke Hall simply because of the heritage issues that would throw up. It instead snakes round through the estuary business park to tap any potential passengers from the park and Speke Retail area which continues to grow whilst also providing a link to the airport hotel. The line then provides Garston Village and the 'under the bridge' area with a new station again as the area continues to see residential development.

The line would then sink below Cressington in a short tunnel that would start within the dock estate and allow the line to avoid another potential issue in that area with regards preservation and waterfront views. The line then emerges again in Otterspool and hugs the promenade to provide a station at the Festival Gardens - something that would hopefully give that area a vital connection and more momentum finally as a destination.

The line continues until it reaches Brunswick to provide an interchange with Merseyrail before pushing forward again to Sefton St to serve the Baltic, The Albert Dock, James St for Liverpool One and again to interchange with Merseyrail, The Pier Head, Princes Dock for Liverpool Waters, 10 Streets and Stanley Dock for Everton's proposed Stadium.

I've included some stops at key dock spaces however I will admit i'm not sure how much of this is still accessible to the public as the line would start to stray into the working port however the immediate hinterland being connected would provide a link for those working in the area as well as encourage more leisure/event/residential and hopefully commercial development northward in this area.

The line that leaves it's original route to Seaforth and instead swerves east to arrive next to Bootle New Strand station. This would allow Bootle to have two links to Liverpool city centre and it's key attractions and hopefully encourage the area to up its game in a very similar way to Stratford in London. Bootle is already well connected but to bolster that and create more of a destination could finally see this area drawn back into the action as Liverpool spreads northward.

There is also a spur that utilises the original Dingle tunnel providing a station at Dingle at the original underground station site as well as a possible further extension to Sefton Park to again provide a key link to what is in my view a great city asset as a victorian park and is just as impressive as Hyde Park which has it's own station on the Piccaddilly Line. Providing a station at Dingle would also help encourage further development in this area and hopefully unlock the Dingle area further to new development and inclusion in the spread of the city centre southward.
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