Distribution of provincial GDP and other countries

[chornedsnorkack]

Note: I am working by 2009 data. While 2010 data are out, they are not yet presented in a form easy to read and consult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...GDP_per_capita

Note features.
Guizhou is by far the poorest at US$ 1502. The next poorest, Gansu, at US$ 1879, is over 25 % richer.

For comparison, see the countries at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita
2009 data in middle column.

Outer Mongolia, at US$ 1573, is close to Guizhou. And note contrast with Inner Mongolia!

After Gansu, 11 other provinces, 4 autonomous regions and 1 city of poorer China. Jilin at US$ 3848 is over twice as rich as Gansu, but the biggest gaps between units is slightly over 10 % between US$ 1975 of Yunnan and US$ 2216 of Tibet, and US$ 2538 of Sichuan to US$ 2806 of Hainan.

And then there is another 25% gap between US$ 3848 and US$ 4838 of Fujian.

Which starts the set of 7 rich units. Extending to Zhejian at US$ 6490, about 35 % richer than Fujian.

The 6 rich provinces are Guangdong, Fujian, Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shandong and Liaoning. And the autonomous region of Inner Mongolia.

Why is Inner Mongolia so rich?

The 6 rich provinces are all coastal. But not the whole coast. The poor coastal units are Guangxi, Hainan and Hebei. Why are they poor?

Among the Asian tigers, slightly richer but closer to China, at US$ 3894, is Thailand, whose population of 66 millions is typical for a Chinese province.

How fast is China developing compared to Thailand? How long would it take for China to pass the GDP per capita of Thailand?

And the next Asian tiger is Malaysia. At US$ 6975, it is richer than Zhejiang at US$ 6490.

How fast is China developing compared to Malaysia? How long would it take before Zhejiang or Jiangsu passes Malaysia?

[Chrissib]

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

Why is Inner Mongolia so rich?

Afaik natural resources, mining etc.

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

The 6 rich provinces are all coastal. But not the whole coast. The poor coastal units are Guangxi, Hainan and Hebei. Why are they poor?

Maybe Guangxi and Hainan are too far away from the developed Asian countries. Guanxi has unfavourable geography in addition to that and Hainan lacks a big port and a road and rail connection to the mainland. Hebei... Well I think they weren't that poor anymore if Tianjin would be included

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

Among the Asian tigers, slightly richer but closer to China, at US$ 3894, is Thailand, whose population of 66 millions is typical for a Chinese province.

How fast is China developing compared to Thailand? How long would it take for China to pass the GDP per capita of Thailand?

According to the IMF-data, China is developing roughly twice the speed of Thailand. (10% p.a. vs 5% p.a.). Assuming no further Yuan appreciation, China will reach Thailand in 2012. If the Yuan is allowed to appreciate 10% during 2011 then there is a possibility that China reaches Thailand in this year.

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

And the next Asian tiger is Malaysia. At US$ 6975, it is richer than Zhejiang at US$ 6490.

How fast is China developing compared to Malaysia? How long would it take before Zhejiang or Jiangsu passes Malaysia?

Again, China develops twice the speed of Malaysia. Until 1997 (The Asian crisis) development speed was roughly the same in SEA and China. After 1997, China went on growing 10% a year, but SEA slowed down from 10% to 5-6%. The situation looks similar to China vs. Thailand. This year or 2012.

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by Chrissib

Hebei... Well I think they weren't that poor anymore if Tianjin would be included

But Jiangsu would also be richer if Shanghai were included. Yet Jiangsu is rich even outside Shanghai.

Hebei is not, for some reason.

Also, how much do the growth rates of provinces differ?

As of 2009, the richest province of China has about 4,3 times the GDP per head of the poorest. Compare with India, where excluding small city-states (Chandigarh, Goa, Delhi) the richest state (in 2006), Maharashtra, had 1521 US$ per capita, while the poorest, Bihar, at 211 US$ per capita, has 7,2 times less. And compare USA, where the richest state (Connecticut) at about 55 000 US$ per capita in 2009, while the poorest (Mississippi) at about US$ 30 000 was just 1,8 times poorer.

Does somebody know historical province GDP? How was the ratio between Zhejiang per capita GDP and Guizhou per capita GDP in 2000 or 2005 - is the inequality currently increasing or decreasing?

[NCT]

I think Hebei is different in that it only has one proper city that is Shijiazhuang, with the other urban settlements only qualifying as towns in a strict geographic sense, whereas Jiangsu has several fully-fledged cities.

[Chrissib]

Originally Posted by NCT

I think Hebei is different in that it only has one proper city that is Shijiazhuang, with the other urban settlements only qualifying as towns in a strict geographic sense, whereas Jiangsu has several fully-fledged cities.

Yeah and more important, Hebei has no important port. The trade of that region has to pass through Tianjin.

[feverwin]

Originally Posted by Chrissib

Yeah and more important, Hebei has no important port. The trade of that region has to pass through Tianjin.

Hebei is poor because it is next to Beijing and Tianjin...

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by NCT

I think Hebei is different in that it only has one proper city that is Shijiazhuang, with the other urban settlements only qualifying as towns in a strict geographic sense, whereas Jiangsu has several fully-fledged cities.

Most major cities of Jiangsu are suburbs of Shanghai, too.

How rich and well developed is Tangshan in Hebei?

[Restless]

The Economist have a map of the provinces and the nearest country equialaents here:

http://www.economist.com/content/chinese_equivalents

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by Restless

The Economist have a map of the provinces and the nearest country equialaents here:

http://www.economist.com/content/chinese_equivalents

What is conspicuous: Guangdong is at the top of GDP, but Jiangsu and Shandong are close (Zheijang and all others are far behind). Yet by exports, Guangdong is far ahead, then Jiangsu, then Zhejiang and Shanghai - Shandong is far behind.

Looks like Guangdong depends on exports and should have been hard his by foreign economic crisis, while Jiangsu and especially Shandong should be domestic sources of wealth.

[NCT]

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

Most major cities of Jiangsu are suburbs of Shanghai, too.

How rich and well developed is Tangshan in Hebei?

I wouldn't say that. It's true that Shanghai acts as a hub for the industries in the delta region, but I wouldn't go as far as using the word suburbs.

[Kenwen]

It would be soon that in a few years, Province like Guangdong will exceed the total GDP of S,Korea. I wont be surprise with the current growth rate. The GDP of Guangdong currently stands at 685billions usd with growth rate like 12%.

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by Chrissib

According to the IMF-data, China is developing roughly twice the speed of Thailand. (10% p.a. vs 5% p.a.). Assuming no further Yuan appreciation, China will reach Thailand in 2012. If the Yuan is allowed to appreciate 10% during 2011 then there is a possibility that China reaches Thailand in this year.

Somehow, Thailand seems to have reached US$ 4992 in 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

Looks close to 30 % per year....

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack

As of 2009, the richest province of China has about 4,3 times the GDP per head of the poorest. Compare with India, where excluding small city-states (Chandigarh, Goa, Delhi) the richest state (in 2006), Maharashtra, had 1521 US$ per capita, while the poorest, Bihar, at 211 US$ per capita, has 7,2 times less. And compare USA, where the richest state (Connecticut) at about 55 000 US$ per capita in 2009, while the poorest (Mississippi) at about US$ 30 000 was just 1,8 times poorer.

Does somebody know historical province GDP? How was the ratio between Zhejiang per capita GDP and Guizhou per capita GDP in 2000 or 2005 - is the inequality currently increasing or decreasing?

Found the data.

2010:
Guizhou 1953
Jiangsu 7682
ratio 3,93
2005:
Guizhou 617
Zhejiang 3382
ratio 5,48
2000
Guizhou 333
Zhejiang 1621
ratio 4,87

So, the ratio grew from 2000 to 2005, then shrank more. The coast has got rich already, now it is inland´s turn to get rich.

[chornedsnorkack]

Originally Posted by Chrissib

According to the IMF-data, China is developing roughly twice the speed of Thailand. (10% p.a. vs 5% p.a.). Assuming no further Yuan appreciation, China will reach Thailand in 2012. If the Yuan is allowed to appreciate 10% during 2011 then there is a possibility that China reaches Thailand in this year.

It is suspected to have been the case.

Originally Posted by Chrissib

Again, China develops twice the speed of Malaysia. Until 1997 (The Asian crisis) development speed was roughly the same in SEA and China. After 1997, China went on growing 10% a year, but SEA slowed down from 10% to 5-6%. The situation looks similar to China vs. Thailand. This year or 2012.

What was the 2011 GDP per capita of Malaysia?

[Chekianger]

It is reported Zhejiang's GDP per capita in 2011 reached 9.1K USD, ranked fifth in mainland China after Tianjin, Shanghai, Beijing and Jiangsu. How about Malaysia?

[skyridgeline]

Originally Posted by Chekianger

It is reported Zhejiang's GDP per capita in 2011 reached 91K USD, ranked fourth in mainland China after Tianjin, Shanghai, Beijing and Jiangsu. How about Malaysia?

At most maybe at 9.1K (9100 U$) GDP per capita. According to the IMF 2011 #s, Malaysia is @ 8,617, Australia @ 66,984 , Hong Kong @ 34,393 (strangely low considering 8.7% of the households has net assets over one million U$ ) and China @ 5,184

[chornedsnorkack]

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...visions_by_GDP

where 2011 data offer a sum of 7301 milliards, the GDP of provinces are:

Guangdong - 815,53 - 7819
Jiangsu - 752,53 - 9567
Shandong - 703,37 - 7343
Zhejiang - 495,45 - 9103
Henan - 421,63 - 4484
Hebei - 375,12 - 5221
Liaoning - 341,02 - 7795
Sichuan - 325,55 - 4048
Hunan - 304,01 - 4628
Hubei - 303,37 - 5300
Fujian - 269,56 - 7306
Anhui - 233,95 - 3932
Heilongjiang - 193,59 - 5053
Shaanxi - 191,85 - 5140
Jiangxi - 179,35 - 4024
Shanxi - 171,86 - 4812
Jilin - 163,05 - 5937
Yunnan - 135,49 - 2948
Guizhou - 86,703 - 2495
Gansu - 77,723 - 3039
Hainan - 38,944 - 4491
Qinghai - 25,113 - 3985
those of municipalities are:
Shanghai - 297,20 - 12911
Beijing - 247,73 - 12632
Tianjin - 173,27 - 13392
Chongqing - 155,00 - 5373
and autonomous regions have:
Inner Mongolia - 220,57 - 8928
Guangxi - 181,37 - 3940
Xinjiang - 101,79 - 4666
Ningxia - 31,894 - 5163
Tibet - 9,367 - 3120
thus the richest are:
1 Tianjin - 13392
2 Shanghai - 12911
3 Beijing - 12632
4 Jiangsu - 9567
5 Zhejiang - 9103
6 Inner Mongolia - 8928
7 Guangdong - 7819
8 Liaoning - 7795
9 Shandong - 7343
10 Fujian - 7306
11 Jilin - 5937
12 Chongqing - 5373
13 Hubei - 5300
14 Hebei - 5221
15 Ningxia - 5163
16 Shaanxi - 5140
17 Heilongjiang - 5053
18 Shanxi - 4812
19 Xinjiang - 4666
20 Hunan - 4628
21 Hainan - 4491
22 Henan - 4484
23 Sichuan - 4048
24 Jiangxi - 4024
25 Qinghai - 3985
26 Guangxi - 3940
27 Anhui - 3932
28 Tibet - 3120
28 Gansu - 3039
30 Yunnan - 2948
31 Guizhou - 2495

[Chekianger]

The richest administrative division in Mainland China was Tianjin in 2011

nominal GDP 173.3 billion
GDP based on PPP 280.7 billion
Population 12.94 million
nominal GDP per capita 13392-------> eqivalent to Russia
GDP based on PPP per capita 21685--------> equivalent to Poland

[Chekianger]

Originally Posted by skyridgeline

At most maybe at 9.1K (9100 U$) GDP per capita. According to the IMF 2011 #s, Malaysia is @ 8,617, Australia @ 66,984 , Hong Kong @ 34,393 (strangely low considering 8.7% of the households has net assets over one million U$ ) and China @ 5,184

Sorry, I missed the decimal point. It seems Zhejiang's already overtaken Malaysia in terms of GDP per capita.

[chornedsnorkack]

Has the 2011 GDP of the rebellious province of Taiwan been accounted for?

If yes, how did it compare with the 2011 GDP of the loyal province of Zhejiang?