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Old February 10th, 2012, 02:54 PM   #841
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That is not the only achievement of "comrade" China.
I'm not trying to justify what Kosovaar said but I think you missed his point. The comparison he made was not based on a Nation, Country or City level (we are all well aware of the obvious reasons why such comparison would be ridiculous to even mention).

I believe the purpose of Kosovaar's note was his concern that Skyscraper projects in both Albanian Capitals (Prishtina and Tirana) are taking longer to complete than many of us expected and I think it's a concern that we all share.

To be even more concrete, the issue with TID's slow completion and pushed deadlines is also shared with ENK and WTC in Prishtina and it's quite a shame because we are all really looking forward to have our Skyscrapers finished and be proud of.

To wrap up, we don't need to be like China, Dubai or New York; but what we can do is we can learn from their mistakes and also gain useful information, knowledge and experience from those projects and ideas that proved effective in their case and than try to apply them in our context as much as possible.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #842
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The answer is simple. Don't even expect them to be finished anytime soon. Albania business mind have never impressed me much to say the least. I doubt if they ever bothered to make a proper business case when they decided to start with the construction.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #843
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I'm not trying to justify what Kosovaar said but I think you missed his point. The comparison he made was not based on a Nation, Country or City level (we are all well aware of the obvious reasons why such comparison would be ridiculous to even mention).

I believe the purpose of Kosovaar's note was his concern that Skyscraper projects in both Albanian Capitals (Prishtina and Tirana) are taking longer to complete than many of us expected and I think it's a concern that we all share.

To be even more concrete, the issue with TID's slow completion and pushed deadlines is also shared with ENK and WTC in Prishtina and it's quite a shame because we are all really looking forward to have our Skyscrapers finished and be proud of.

To wrap up, we don't need to be like China, Dubai or New York; but what we can do is we can learn from their mistakes and also gain useful information, knowledge and experience from those projects and ideas that proved effective in their case and than try to apply them in our context as much as possible.
I think it's more of a financial/corruption issue rather than our workers not knowing how to build it. I don't know the details about the projects but I can guess they are lacking investors who want to buy offices or rooms, or they possibly ran out of funds. China and Dubai have the resources to make their projects work($$) and they are booming.

Like I said before I hope the city fixes the transportation issues. There's way too much traffic on the streets. I hope they make some trams, improve bus networks, train, etc.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #844
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I think it's more of a financial/corruption issue rather than our workers not knowing how to build it. I don't know the details about the projects but I can guess they are lacking investors who want to buy offices or rooms, or they possibly ran out of funds. China and Dubai have the resources to make their projects work($$) and they are booming.
I wasn't talking about our people "not knowing how to built it" but about the actual need for our people to gain as much knowledge and experience as possible on how to deal with such investments/projects in general.
As we all know, the alfa and omega of such mega-projects are: reliable financial resources.

To me, it seems very unserious to even think about building mega-projects of this magnitude when the entire "strategy" is solely based on one thing - the possibility to sell/rent the space before the building is even close to finishing.

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Like I said before I hope the city fixes the transportation issues. There's way too much traffic on the streets. I hope they make some trams, improve bus networks, train, etc.
I agree.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #845
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Old February 13th, 2012, 07:42 AM   #846
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Old February 13th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #847
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Old February 15th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #849
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Old February 25th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #850
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Ka nje ndryshim,kane rene gjethet tek pemet rrotull dhe bora ka zbardhur deri ne rreze te malit... E gjeta??

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Old February 26th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #853
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That is not the only achievement of "comrade" China.



YES, IT IS A 13 STORY BUILDING LYING ON THE GROUND
An underground garage was being dug on the south side, to a depth of 4.6 meters.
The excavated dirt was being piled up on the north side, to a height of 10 meters.
The building experienced uneven lateral pressure from south and north.
This resulted in a lateral pressure of 3,000 tonnes, which was greater than what the pilings could tolerate.
Thus the building toppled over in the southerly direction

First, the apartment building was constructed.
Then the plan called for an underground garage to be dug out.
The excavated soil was piled up on the other side of the building.
Heavy rains resulted in water seeping into the ground.
The building began to tilt.
Then it began to shift and the "hollow" concrete pilings were snapped due to the uneven lateral pressures
And thus was born the eighth wonder of the world.



If the buildings were closer together it would have resulted in a domino effect.










They built 13 stories on grade, with no basement, and tied it all down to hollow pilings with no rebar.

Brought to you by the same guys that make your kids' toys and want to build your car.
Don't you feel better now, knowing that these are the guys manufacturing nearly EVERYTHING we buy and use today?


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China earthquake in 2008


Totally wrong and irrelevant answer, also a bullshit butt-hurt propaganda piece.

This building did not collapse because of the build quality, but because of unresponsible work carried out by someone else nearby.

Njesoj si ai pallati ne Gjirokaster a ku tjeter ishte, qe u rrezua para nja 2 - 3 vjetesh.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 02:39 AM   #854
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These Chinese "machines" finished a 15-floor building in only 48 hours.
this is so ugly!
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Old April 11th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #857
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Po eshte po i njejti refren o burr. Nisin zbatimin e projektit pa ndonje likuiditet kushedi se ēfare, duke bazuar vazhdimesine e ndertimit me te ardhurat qe priten te vine nga shitjet preventive. Nuk do te jete materializuar ndonje interes i madh nga bleresit, e keta nuk kane me para per te paguar konstruktorin per vazhdimin e punimeve (ne mos kane akoma para te prapambetura per te paguar).

E njejta gje po ndodh edhe me komplekset e banimit ne zonen e Unazes se Re.
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Mos ndoshta mungesa e punimeve ka lidhje me zgjedhjen e Bashes kryebashkiak, ndonje konflikt i vogel alla-shqiptarce?
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Old April 12th, 2012, 04:43 PM   #859
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Kryebashkiaku nuk ka gje ne dore, per projektet private qe jane aprovuar.

Nese do te kishte pasur probleme burrokratike me parametrat teknik, lejen mjedisore etj, etj, do te binte ne kopetencat e qeverise qendrore, KRRTSH, Agjensia Rajonale e Mjedisit etj, etj....
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Problemet me politiken jane mese reale dhe te mundeshme (duke pasur parasysh qe Fidel Ylli eshte nje nga investoret), por kulla ka ecur shume ngadale dhe gjate kohes se Rames, keshtu qe nuk mund te jete politika arsyeja e zvarritjeve.
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