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Old December 5th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #881
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Better late than never, the binukot practice by sulodnon, we can say already

extinct, but i think if we can still preserve the remaining intangible culture they

have such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge, it could be a our

legacy to the future generation to come.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 01:55 PM   #882
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Better late than never, the binukot practice by sulodnon, we can say already

extinct, but i think if we can still preserve the remaining intangible culture they

have such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge, it could be a our

legacy to the future generation to come.
Before time runs out. Nong Pedring hasn't said all of the epics yet, and he is getting old. There are records in Center for West Visayan Studies, but again, its time that is our enemy. I hope he did passed majority of it to the next generation.

However I'm just curious why wasn't the epics of Hinilawod and etc not nominated to be part of UNESCO's Intangible treasures, just like the Darangen of the Maranaos.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 02:23 PM   #883
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Maybe they give emphasis due to the fact that even transmitted orally by

traditions their is one preserved manuscript that is written.I dont know for

hinilawod if their is written manuscript for it or just pure oral.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #884
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Maybe they give emphasis due to the fact that even transmitted orally by

traditions their is one preserved manuscript that is written.I dont know for

hinilawod if their is written manuscript for it or just pure oral.
I heard its oral. Only a certain portion of it was written and translated by Dr. Magos. She has to translate it through Kinaray-a then to Hiligaynon since the language (Ligbuk) itself is too archaic to be understood by even the best Kinaray-a speaker there is.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:03 PM   #885
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... UNESCO has a category for intangible heritage. I think Hudhud is in the list but not sure though... maybe waiting to be given the distinction.

One thing, UNESCO is after something extant... it means we still have a mass of people doing that certain heritage. It will be difficult for Hinilawod because only a handful knows the whole Epic!
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Old December 6th, 2011, 02:56 AM   #886
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... UNESCO has a category for intangible heritage. I think Hudhud is in the list but not sure though... maybe waiting to be given the distinction.

One thing, UNESCO is after something extant... it means we still have a mass of people doing that certain heritage. It will be difficult for Hinilawod because only a handful knows the whole Epic!
This is something that the people in NCCA should have been doing. The criticism is that the Philippine government is weak in promoting these to UNESCO, even the World Heritage List, since the local and the national government don't yet realize their great responsibility in maintaining these.

For Nong Pedring and Hinilawod, this may be applicable.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 07:49 AM   #887
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To all ilonggo forumers here... is it possible for us to change this thread to Iloilo and Panay Heritage Watch? It is time for us to include the Panayanons in this endeavor. After-all we are just one... from one heritage. What do you think?
wholeheartedly agree!! got my vote!!
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So what will be the best course of action? Do we need to alert proper authorities on this? This is quite alarming.

We need to have a copy (in whatever form) of this pre-Colonial treasures/heritage so that at least we could preserve this to the future generation.

UP has Center for Western Visayan Cultural Studies, aight? Can they help?
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NCCA is very much aware of what's going on. It's just our own national government itself (in my opinion) is not supporting it intensely because it has to "prioritize" other departments that are deemed "practical for the development of the country." These people didn't realize that "protecting and developing culture and the arts" is one way we can improve our country.

Some developing nations have more world heritage sites and intangible cultures in the list than some developed nations. We have a lot of nominees for World Heritage Site last 2006 but still hasn't been deliberated. Worse, some were misplaced for WHL.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #890
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I got a long of things to discuss about this... however, I have no time for now. Will post more maybe during my Xmas vacay!
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I got a long of things to discuss about this... however, I have no time for now. Will post more maybe during my Xmas vacay!
But first, we have to discuss how to get there. Enrico and I are also interested in this. This is only one of the few indigenous peoples in the Visayas area that still kept the ancient practice of the Panayanons.

We have to thank Mr. F.Landa Jocano for this, the said "father of Philippine anthropology." Without his enthusiasm in researching about the Sulod Bukidnon-Panayanon culture, we may have never known how rich Panayanon culture is--and probably fell into believing that Paiburong and the Confederation of Madia-as is indeed true...or is it?

Nahinayan lang ako sa paghulag sang aton nga research sa cultura Panayanon subong. I just hope someone or something may "stimulate" fundings for research once more. We got a lot of people who are enthusiastic with it, its just we need fundings in order to research and perhaps help improve our heritage, beyond the old houses of the city and beyond the festival that is turning into a commercialized form of "cultural interpretation."
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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #892
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I actually would like to countercheck the "Confederation of Madia-as" through the methods of comparative ethnology. If the language of Suludnons (ligbok) is closely related to Borneans lineage (where the Ten datus came from). As well as genetic comparison.

If the language Ligbok or even Akeanon is somewhat related to the Borneans then we say somehow there is truth to the story. But if not, I mean if our language is much older than the ones in Bornea (according to the recent theory), then I guess Confe of Madi-as is just a myth or tale.


Genetic comparison will also ratify this. I hope someone can do a research on this.
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Back in the days, we were thought by our professors never to dismiss it as a "fake" but simply don't take the Madia-as or the Barter of Panay on its face value. Simply because of the premise Tan Pedro Monteclaro himself stated that "halin ini sa mga katigulangan" which signified oral history OR there's some half truth in it.

However, if we are to listen to the existing myths of the Sulod or even the Ati people, the barter or the madia-as tradition doesn't exist. If it is indeed something significant, then at least remnants of the confederacy pepper the Sulod and the Ati societies--but there are none in their tradition. Yet how come it existed in mainstream as according to Monteclaro?

Hence, the focus of anthropologists on the epics and traditions that the Sulod and the Ati people have.
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The First and the only Province to have two cities during the Spanish time. Iloilo City and Jaro City
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The First and the only Province to have two cities during the Spanish time. Iloilo City and Jaro City
I wouldn't be that so sure about Jaro. I'm very curious about its declaration. I like to see the original documents itself. Why wasn't it included with the Maura and the Beccera Law in creating its own Ayuntamiento?
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Iloilo from 3:29 to 4:40 of this video, 1949.


Plazoleta Gay viewing Cacho Building and JM Basa (Calle Real), 1951

Source: With One's Past

Cokoon and Sons today...


Iloilo earthquake or "Lady Caycay", Janaury 1948
To the left, Plazoleta Gay. To the right, the ruins of Oton Church

Shared to Facebook by Steve Anthony Juanico at Old Iloilo Page

Calle Real (viewing from Cacho Building towards Plazoleta Gay) by Makoy Rejaba (date undetermined)
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This is 2012... (Photo by Lewdsaint)


90 years ago...(1922) Photo from IloiloRiver Flickr.


By 2016, the Aduana will be celebrating its centenario.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #899
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40th Paraw Regatta Festival of Iloilo
as featured at Kapuso Mo, Jessica Soho last night

Celebrating the Panayanon and the Filipino maritime traditions
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"Iloilo Ang Banwa Ko"
Performed by Philippine Madrigal Singers or "Madz"
Music Provided by Philharmonic Orchestra
Pasinaya 2012 Open House Festival of Cultural Center of the Philippines
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