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Old February 24th, 2012, 04:04 AM   #3181
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And who are you? Oh yes

Niemeyer may have done some work of questionable taste, but many of his works are totally amazing, wonderful and acclaimed hit of specialty critics worldwide. Even more concerning was the inspiration that one of the things he does more, totally unique. You do not see anything like it anywhere in the world in relation to some of his works in Brazil. Your comment was definitely unhappy. The height of absurdity!
Nowadays there are people who think that a square of grass in an empty room is art. Do you think that a half ball downwards and a half ball upwards is art?

I am not graduated in architeture, but to talk about it in Brazil I don't find that I need to be. I like to read about history, and I think that I have some knowledge to talk about it.

I am completely against the idea that you have to be graduated to talk about things. Specially in Brazil where you see faculties of philosophy teaching students only to study history and interpret texts, even in USP. Schools of architecture by any chance teach history as they should? Architecture is a very serious business to be handled as well the students understand. They need to respect the history and what we see today are just soulless buildings. Or are completely functional, or are extremely extravagant.

Our architecture was good in imperial time, and when the european imigrants came to colonizate the south-east and the south. Afterwards It became a shame. Nowadays people think that everything new is good, what is totally wrong. We have to preserve the past, and to develop the architeture based in the past. Niemeyer denied our past. I just think that Niemeyer wanted to be the one, and he got what he wanted, but only because what he did is just weard, different, but not beautiful.

"Those who cannot remember the past are convicted to repeat it." Roger Santayana. And I'd complement to say that we have to respect it to grow.

Below there is a documentary made by Roger Scruton, and he talks about beauty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiajXQUppYY
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Nowadays there are people who think that a square of grass in an empty room is art. Do you think that a half ball downwards and a half ball upwards is art?

I am not graduated in architeture, but to talk about it in Brazil I don't find that I need to be. I like to read about history, and I think that I have some knowledge to talk about it.

I am completely against the idea that you have to be graduated to talk about things. Specially in Brazil where you see faculties of philosophy teaching students only to study history and interpret texts, even in USP. Schools of architecture by any chance teach history as they should? Architecture is a very serious business to be handled as well the students understand. They need to respect the history and what we see today are just soulless buildings. Or are completely functional, or are extremely extravagant.

Our architecture was good in imperial time, and when the european imigrants came to colonizate the south-east and the south. Afterwards It became a shame. Nowadays people think that everything new is good, what is totally wrong. We have to preserve the past, and to develop the architeture based in the past. Niemeyer denied our past. I just think that Niemeyer wanted to be the one, and he got what he wanted, but only because what he did is just weard, different, but not beautiful.

"Those who cannot remember the past are convicted to repeat it." Roger Santayana. And I'd complement to say that we have to respect it to grow.

Below there is a documentary made by Roger Scruton, and he talks about beauty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiajXQUppYY


Please look carefully the picture above before saying Niemeyer denied the past.

And I completely agree with Roger, especially regarding to Music...beauty is being lost. However, NOT with Nemeyer, NOT with Corbusier, NOT with Mies van der Rohe. The beauty in their work comes from the spaces they create. They are architects, not sculptors. You have to be more sensible and read a bit more about modernist architecture to understand and fully appreciate how beautifully balance is the volumetric composition of the Brazilian Congress, how beautifully classic is the Colonade of the Itamaraty and how timeless is the ordered beauty of the Neue Nationalgalerie in Berlin.

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Old February 24th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #3183
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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:33 PM   #3184
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wow, what are they doing, I think that they only built-up last south stand...
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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #3185
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“Quarto piso do prédio principal do Castelão”


“Terceiro piso do prédio principal do Castelão”


“Segundo piso do prédio principal do Castelão”


“Foto da praça e rampa de acesso das cadeiras superiores”


“Rampa de acesso as cadeiras inferiores”


“Foto da estrutura das cadeiras superiores e inferiores”


“Foto da estrutura das cadeiras superiores e inferiores”


“Foto da estrutura das cadeiras superiores e inferiores”


“Construção do quinto nível do prédio principal do Castelão”



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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #3186
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wow, what are they doing, I think that they only built-up last south stand...
The red columns create blind spots in the upper sector and will be removed. As they also served to support the roof, it will be removed. They are considering the possibility of a new retractable roof. The seats will be replaced with retractable models, such as Soccer City stadium

Here is one more picture


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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #3187
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Castelão is going to be a good stadium. Somebody know what will be the distance between the first part of bleachers and the pitch?
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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #3188
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Great job in the Arena! I think that everybody is going to gain with it. the Club with higher capacity, the World Cup, and the supporters with a improved stadium.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:20 PM   #3189
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Castelão is going to be a good stadium. Somebody know what will be the distance between the first part of bleachers and the pitch?
The distance between the first part of bleachers and the field is of 10 meters. Below a picture taken from the field edge, looking to the bleachers, apllying no zoom.


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Old February 24th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #3190
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Old February 25th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #3191
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The Rheinstadion wasn't less or more bland than Mineiro, the roof structure of Rheinstadion was even more spectacular:




Anyway, I like Mineiaro in the shape of 2014 with a cleaned up facade and the extended transparent roof.
Ohh my god, these are similar to our stadium!!
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Old February 26th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #3192
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Estadio Metropolitano Roberto Meléndez, Barranquilla, Colômbia.
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Nowadays there are people who think that a square of grass in an empty room is art. Do you think that a half ball downwards and a half ball upwards is art?

I am not graduated in architeture, but to talk about it in Brazil I don't find that I need to be. I like to read about history, and I think that I have some knowledge to talk about it.

I am completely against the idea that you have to be graduated to talk about things. Specially in Brazil where you see faculties of philosophy teaching students only to study history and interpret texts, even in USP. Schools of architecture by any chance teach history as they should? Architecture is a very serious business to be handled as well the students understand. They need to respect the history and what we see today are just soulless buildings. Or are completely functional, or are extremely extravagant.

Our architecture was good in imperial time, and when the european imigrants came to colonizate the south-east and the south. Afterwards It became a shame. Nowadays people think that everything new is good, what is totally wrong. We have to preserve the past, and to develop the architeture based in the past. Niemeyer denied our past. I just think that Niemeyer wanted to be the one, and he got what he wanted, but only because what he did is just weard, different, but not beautiful.

"Those who cannot remember the past are convicted to repeat it." Roger Santayana. And I'd complement to say that we have to respect it to grow.

Below there is a documentary made by Roger Scruton, and he talks about beauty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiajXQUppYY
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Please, pick an architecture book, and just read it.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #3196
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Updated seating capacity of the 2014 venue stadiums/arenas according to http://www.terra.com.br/esportes/inf...ras-copa-2014/ and/or http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Mundo_FIFA_de_2014 in 27/Feb/2012. Feel free to correct anything that is not right.

76.935 - Estádio Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro, RJ)
71.412 - Estádio Nacional (Brasília, DF)
69.950 - Estádio Mineirão (Belo Horizonte, MG)
67.037 - Estádio Castelão (Fortaleza, CE)
65.807 - Estádio de Itaquera (São Paulo, SP)
56.500 - Arena Fonte Nova (Salvador, BA)
50.287 - Estádio Beira Rio (Porto Alegre, RS)
43.921 - Arena Pernambuco (Recife, PE)
43.710 - Arena Amazônia (Manaus, AM)
42.968 - Arena Pantanal (Cuiabá, MT)
42.001 - Arena das Dunas (Natal, RN)
40.000 - Arena da Baixada (Curitiba, PR)

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Updated seating capacity of the 2014 venue stadiums/arenas according to http://www.terra.com.br/esportes/inf...ras-copa-2014/ and/or http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Mundo_FIFA_de_2014 in 27/Feb/2012. Feel free to correct anything that is not right.

76.935 - Estádio Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro, RJ)
71.412 - Estádio Nacional (Brasília, DF)
69.950 - Estádio Mineirão (Belo Horizonte, MG)
67.037 - Estádio Castelão (Fortaleza, CE)
65.807 - Estádio de Itaquera (São Paulo, SP)
56.500 - Arena Fonte Nova (Salvador, BA)
50.287 - Estádio Beira Rio (Porto Alegre, RS)
43.921 - Arena Pernambuco (Recife, PE)
43.710 - Arena Amazônia (Manaus, AM)
42.968 - Arena Pantanal (Cuiabá, MT)
42.001 - Arena das Dunas (Natal, RN)
40.000 - Arena da Baixada (Curitiba, PR)
Offical name for the Corithians Arena?
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Offical name for the Corithians Arena?
No. Itaquera is the distric/neighborhood where it is located. The oficial name is not yet defined (as far as I know).
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Offical name for the Corithians Arena?
there is no official name yet, since they are searching for a partner to sell naming rights.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #3200
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Updated seating capacity of the 2014 venue stadiums/arenas according to http://www.terra.com.br/esportes/inf...ras-copa-2014/ and/or http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_do_Mundo_FIFA_de_2014 and/or http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:L...mil_habitantes and/or http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:L...a%C3%A7%C3%A3o in 27/Feb/2012. Feel free to correct anything that is not right.

76.935 - Estádio Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro, RJ) - City Population (2010): 6.355.949 // Metropolitan Area Population (2010): 11.711.233
71.412 - Estádio Nacional (Brasília, DF) - City: 2.609.997 // Metro: 3.716.996
69.950 - Estádio Mineirão (Belo Horizonte, MG) - 2.385.639 // 4.882.977
67.037 - Estádio Castelão (Fortaleza, CE) - 2.476.589 // 3.610.379
65.807 - Estádio de Itaquera (São Paulo, SP) - 11.316.149 // 19.822.572
56.500 - Arena Fonte Nova (Salvador, BA) - 2.693.605 // 3.574.804
50.287 - Estádio Beira Rio (Porto Alegre, RS) - 1.413.094 // 3.979.561
43.921 - Arena Pernambuco (Recife, PE) - 1.546.516 // 3.688.428
43.710 - Arena Amazônia (Manaus, AM) - 1.832.426 // 2.106.866
42.968 - Arena Pantanal (Cuiabá, MT) - 556.298 // 834.060
42.001 - Arena das Dunas (Natal, RN) - 810.780 // 1.350.840
40.000 - Arena da Baixada (Curitiba, PR) - 1.764.540 // 3.168.980


Population distribution (year 2000):

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheir...ERY_Img_06.png
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