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Old February 10th, 2012, 07:54 AM   #401
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Air Asia (which is big now) provides good cheap flights between China and southeast Asian countries. Spring Airlines 春秋航空 has been growing rapidly serving domestic flights.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #402
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I would say Tiger is cheaper than Air Asia. But their still far from the cheapest european low cost airlines, who also has to deal with higher personell cost.

I'm not familliar with Spring Airlines.
The "cheap" asian airlines I'm familliar with are Tiger, Air Asia, Jetstar, and the smaller less familliar Firefly, Lionair, Airphil Express, Zest Air and Cebu Pacific. Only perhaps the KL - Singapore route, and some domestic flights in the philippines on airlines not meeting any safety standards worth talking about, are comparable to Ryanair.

I think the main difference is that the low cost airlines in europe have all these smaller tertiary airports to fly from, with hardly any taxes, and small airport crew.

So the question is, will China ever cater to this segment? Is the line in China drawn on purpose not to cater to such low cost airlines, because it gives a picture of poverty to travel from these small cheap airports/terminals? Or is it just a matter of time before we see a real airport building boom in China?

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Old February 11th, 2012, 04:04 AM   #404
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Taiyuan Wuxu International Airport
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Taiyuan Wuxu International Airport is located to the southeast of Taiyuan, the capital city of Shanxi Province. The city is a political, economic and cultural centre, and one of China’s most important heavy industry areas.

Fundamental to the planning for this new terminal was maintaining the efficient relationship between the terminal and the flight area. The terminal zone also had to satisfy the demands of both short and long term operation.

In joining the new main building and its gate piers to the existing terminal, Atkins unique design of the building is not only functional but also makes a visual impact. The existing building and the new extension merge around three courtyards that are evocative of traditional Shanxi courtyards. The courtyards are open internal spaces bringing light and air into the centre of the plan.


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Old February 12th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #405
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Please anybody post the 2011 Airport PAX ranking, don't miss the y/y % increase if possible
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:48 AM   #406
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As far as I know Air Asia is flying from low cost airports/terminals to secondary/tertiary cities (normally near big cities) to save cost. Spring Airlines use old terminals (T1 of SHA and PEK) for the same purpose. But I don't know if they could enjoy any tax/other benefits from government by providing low cost flights though.

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I would say Tiger is cheaper than Air Asia. But their still far from the cheapest european low cost airlines, who also has to deal with higher personell cost.

I'm not familliar with Spring Airlines.
The "cheap" asian airlines I'm familliar with are Tiger, Air Asia, Jetstar, and the smaller less familliar Firefly, Lionair, Airphil Express, Zest Air and Cebu Pacific. Only perhaps the KL - Singapore route, and some domestic flights in the philippines on airlines not meeting any safety standards worth talking about, are comparable to Ryanair.

I think the main difference is that the low cost airlines in europe have all these smaller tertiary airports to fly from, with hardly any taxes, and small airport crew.

So the question is, will China ever cater to this segment? Is the line in China drawn on purpose not to cater to such low cost airlines, because it gives a picture of poverty to travel from these small cheap airports/terminals? Or is it just a matter of time before we see a real airport building boom in China?
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #407
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As far as I know Air Asia is flying from low cost airports/terminals to secondary/tertiary cities (normally near big cities) to save cost. Spring Airlines use old terminals (T1 of SHA and PEK) for the same purpose. But I don't know if they could enjoy any tax/other benefits from government by providing low cost flights though.
I was thinking about airport tax, and not government tax.

Also, when mentioning T1 of SHA and PEK, those are former airports, outphased by newer airports just like alot of european airports are. And it is the same in SE Asia in bangkok and manila etc.
But now we see all these new chinese cities getting huge new airports, with no apparent plans of getting a smaller one, nor a budget terminal like they have in Singapore. So lower airport tax doesn't seem to be available soon to the larger audience in china as far as I can tell.

Or am I misstaken here? How many secondary/tertiary airports are there in china? Are they incorporating budget terminals across the board? I'm guessing you don't consider Hangzhou as something like a tertiary airport to Shanghai though
Lower airport tax should at least be a requirement too.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #408
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Bangkok doesn't even have a 'budget' terminal and as far as I am aware, AirAsia flies to the main terminals of Changi (not the budget one). Or so it was as recently as 2009. It may depend on taxing policies. Good non-budget airport doesn't always mean high taxes.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #409
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Bangkok doesn't even have a 'budget' terminal and as far as I am aware, AirAsia flies to the main terminals of Changi (not the budget one). Or so it was as recently as 2009. It may depend on taxing policies. Good non-budget airport doesn't always mean high taxes.
Ofcourse I was referring to the Don Muang airport in Bangkok, where Orient Thai Airlines and Nok Air flies from.

I am aware of Air Asia in Singapore. Perhaps Tiger Airways have some special agreement thereonly allowing partners to fly from there. I'm not sure, but also Jetstar doesn't fly from the budget terminal, but terminal 1. But as I said, their not really low budget. They would probably claim so themselves, but I wouldn't. And I know people in the industry that wouldn't either.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 05:50 AM   #410
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LCCT (Low Cost Carrier Terminal) of Kuala Lumpur is the one I frequent in Malaysia. I have used a small airport of Beijing, Nanyuan airport (NAY), which used to be a military airport and now is renovated and serving a low-cost arlines China united Airlines. I read news that a low-cost terminal in Zhengzhou airport has opened in 2008. So I guess flying low-costly is developing slowly in China, though such terminals/airports are still in a shortage (even big airports are in a shortage overall).

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I was thinking about airport tax, and not government tax.

Also, when mentioning T1 of SHA and PEK, those are former airports, outphased by newer airports just like alot of european airports are. And it is the same in SE Asia in bangkok and manila etc.
But now we see all these new chinese cities getting huge new airports, with no apparent plans of getting a smaller one, nor a budget terminal like they have in Singapore. So lower airport tax doesn't seem to be available soon to the larger audience in china as far as I can tell.

Or am I misstaken here? How many secondary/tertiary airports are there in china? Are they incorporating budget terminals across the board? I'm guessing you don't consider Hangzhou as something like a tertiary airport to Shanghai though
Lower airport tax should at least be a requirement too.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #411
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2012-02-25 19:27:08 CRIENGLISH.com Web Editor: Fuyu

Beijing is to build a new airport, which is likely to be the world's largest in terms of passenger traffic, to the southeast of the city, China National Radio reports.

The new airport, yet to be named, is to be located on the border between Beijing and Langfang, a city in north China's Hebei province which surrounds Beijing. It will be approximately 45 kilometers from Beijing's city center; about an hour's drive.

The airport is designed to be a key international airport. It will have nine runways and is expected to direct more than 130 million passengers and 5,500,000 tones of cargo annually, replacing the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia, the United States, to become the busiest in the world.

The new airport will also act as a hub, connecting highways, transportation roads and roads in rural areas together.
This will be the third civil airport in Beijing, following the Nanyuan Airport and the Beijing International Airport, which houses Terminal three, the largest building in the world.

When put into use, the new airport will serve Beijing, as well as the nearby Tianjin municipality and Hebei province.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #412
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Nine runways? That's some serious gangsta shit!
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Old February 27th, 2012, 05:21 AM   #413
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yes this is crazy. I like the idea of connecting surrounding Cities (Tianjin/Beijing/Langfang etc) together with this airport.

And I'd like to see how it connects highways, roads and even railways in the future.

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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #414
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Something like Hongqiao hub perhaps? But bigger?
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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #415
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I remember that originally the new Beijing airport was supposed to be in Daxing, which is the most southern district of Beijing.

I think the current Airport Express subway was supposed to be extended first to Beijing South Station and then to the new Airport. Maybe they'll still do it?

These new plans sound much more reasonable, Tianjin's current airport is quite modest and I think this new airport will benefit the city.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #416
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I think the new Beijing International Airport is huge already. So still not enough?? Wow!
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Old February 28th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #417
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The new location is more interesting than the Daxing project that was reported frozen in November. An Airport Express extension from the current Capital airport to Beijing South and Daxing could come handy for some travels, but the express isn't that much of an express anyway (80 km/h versus regular metro 60 km/h IIRC) and it would run under some very expensive real estate.

By the look of it the airport would be nearby the unopened Yongle stop on the Beijing S–Tianjin HSR (though for integrated travel I would expect a train stop not to be nearby, but inside the terminal building, parallel tracks?). Likewise it would be close, but not close enough to the planned S6 going from Shunyi north of the Capital Airport, through Tongzhou New City to Yizhuang in the south-east, also on the Beijing S–Tianjin HSR line. The max speed on the S2 line, the only one built, is 160 km/h. The distance between the airports should be around 50 km, and something similar to Tianjin airport, or to Beijing S. If S6 were to be upgraded to something a little faster, say 200 km/h sustained, the travel time for direct link between the new airport and the other two should be around 15 minutes, 20 minutes with a stop in Tongzhou. If there were a connecting direct link to CBD that too would be 20 minutes away to either airport. If the line were extended to connect up to the Beijing-Shenyang HSR the north-east could benefit as well. More regular speed suburban line would increase the travel time by a half, while metro-style links would about double it.

The loser would be some inner-city infrastructure, and the south and west of Beijing and Shijiazhuang, which would be better served by Daxing.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:34 PM   #418
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Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) released official airport PAX data today.

Top 50 China mainland airport ranking

Rank - Airport - Passengers - %

1 Beijing - Capitol 78,674,513 6.4
2 Guangzhou 45,040,340 9.9
3 Shanghai - Pudong 41,447,730 2.1
4 Shanghai - Hongqiao 33,112,442 5.8
5 Chengdu 29,073,719 12.7
6 Shenzhen 28,245,738 5.7
7 Kunming 22,270,130 10.3
8 Xi'an 21,163,130 17.5
9 Chongqing 19,052,706 20.6
10 Hangzhou 17,512,224 2.6
11 Xiamen 15,757,049 19.3
12 Changsha 13,684,731 8.4
13 Nanjing 13,074,097 4.3
14 Wuhan 12,462,016 7.0
15 Dalian 12,012,094 12.2
16 Qingdao 11,716,361 5.5
17 Urumqi 11,078,597 21.1
18 Sanya 10,361,821 11.5
19 Shenyang 10,231,185 18.7
20 Haikou 10,167,818 15.9
21 Zhengzhou 10,150,075 16.6
22 Jinan 7,879,707 14.2
23 Harbin 7,841,521 8.0
24 Tianjin 7,554,172 3.8
25 Guiyang 7,339,228 17.0
26 Fuzhou 7,196,800 11.1
27 Nanning 6,464,428 14.8
28 Taiyuan 5,876,005 11.9
29 Wenzhou 5,598,674 5.1
30 Guilin 5,489,481 4.4
31 Nanchang 5,347,853 12.6
32 Ningbo 5,014,002 11.0
33 Changchun 4,971,667 4.7
34 Hefei 4,398,739 15.2
35 Hohhot 4,331,529 18.2
36 Shijiazhuang 4,021,167 47.6
37 Lanzhou 3,809,023 5.7
38 Yinchuan 3,376,964 14.9
39 Wuxi 2,940,122 16.0
40 Beijing - Nanyuan 2,644,598 23.6
41 Yantai 2,547,499 2.1
42 Lijiang 2,183,597 -1.5
43 Xining 2,030,378 22.0
44 Quanzhou 1,975,836 -1.1
45 Xishuanbanna 1,918,825 1.7
46 Jieyang 1,901,856 10.1
47 Zhuhai 1,797,306 -1.2
48 Jiuzhai 1,717,603 -1.3
49 Lahsa 1,581,538 22.0
50 Baotou 1,345,598 1.0

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Old March 22nd, 2012, 09:20 PM   #419
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I wonder how many passenger Hong Kong handled in a year?
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 02:53 AM   #420
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2011 Hong Kong 53,314,213 up 5.9%
This number will grow since the 3rd runway proposal has been approved by HK government.
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