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Old February 25th, 2012, 12:34 PM   #4221
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Daca nu-mi poti raspunde la intrebarea clara pe care ti-am adresat-o, atunci cum indraznesti sa judeci ceva ce nu cunosti.

Habar nu ai care sunt costurile reabilitarilor de drumuri din anii 1997-2010, dar ai pretentia sa stii ca 19 miliarde de euro e mult prea mult.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #4222
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Pâna în 2010 contributiile UE au fost infime.
Infime, dar cu efecte palpabile. Uita-te aici: http://www.cnadnr.ro/sectiune.php?ids=40

Sunt destule proiecte care au atras atentia in ultimii ani. Date fiind valorile destul de mici, cu efect foarte mare, pot considera ca de exemplu DN6 de la Craiova spre Timisoara a fost modernizat in proportie ridicata (spre 75%) cu fonduri europene nerambursabile. Mai sunt si alte proiecte si nu stiu daca au fost evidentiate toate la link-ul de mai sus. Pe langa ISPA, au devenit active din 2007 fondurile structurale al caror efect se vede partial astazi.

http://www.anamob.ro/fonduri/fonduri_structurale.pdf

http://www.fonduri-finantari.eu/arti...-transportfedr

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Au fost folosite doar fonduri de preaderare ISPA. Nu stiu daca in situatia prezentata de presa sumele ISPA sunt incluse sau nu.
Nici eu nu stiu. De-aia am pus intrebarea.

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Ce stiu este ca reabilitarile de drumuri nationale pe etape sunt realizate de regula din imprumuturi preferentiale (de ex. BERD cu 1-3% dobânda) si bani de la buget. Imprumuturile tot de la buget trebuie returnate la un moment dat.
Dobinzile preferentiale si termenele de rambursare lejere de la BERD, BEI, etc. tot ajutor reprezinta. Daca avem ochi pentru acele panouri privind finantarea, existente pe foarte multe DN-uri si DJ-uri din tara, vedem ca, fara imprumuturile astea, nu am fi facut mare lucru. Si aici apare intrebarea daca aceste datorii au fost prinse sau sumele uriase vehiculate reprezinta doar ce s-a cheltuit efectiv de la buget. Aceste forme de finantare au inceput cu mult inainte de anul 2000.

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Deci pentru reabilitarile de DN-uri statul român trebuie intr-un fel sau altul sa dea toti banii.
Cred ca banii pe care trebuie sa-i dea nu reprezinta mare lucru fata de avantajele economice pe care le obtine prin dezvoltarea DN-urilor.
Mai ales ca observam ca modernizarea unui DN nu reprezinta cheltuieli foarte mari in raport cu o autostrada, de exemplu. Nu sunt nici prea multe exproprieri sau alte elemente pe care le presupune constructia unui drum nou.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #4223
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insa franturile de info, trunchiate si fara sursa credibila, cum lanseaza AT30, nu merita vreun raspuns.
Nu va obliga nimeni sa dati vreun raspuns franturilor de info, trunchiate si fara sursa credibila. Nu va obliga nimeni nici sa le cititi.
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Old February 25th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #4224
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Sunt curios ce surse mai credibile preferi...
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Old February 25th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #4225
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insa franturile de info, trunchiate si fara sursa credibila, cum lanseaza AT30, nu merita vreun raspuns.
in esenta ai dreptate ca nu trebuie luate in seama brainfart-urile unor membri care polueaza mai mult sau mai putin forumurile.

dar totusi, prin raspunsurile la punct,bine argumentate si foarte informative(cel putin dpmdv), frunzaverde@vancouverro au contribuit foarte constructiv la aceasta tematica.

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Old February 25th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #4226
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frunzaverde si vancuverro sa nu dea dracu sa plecati de pe forum, ca nu stiu cine v-a suparat sau ca nu sunteti de acord cu nu stiu care. Ba , baieti avem nevoie de stiinta si informatiile voastre!!!
P.S. Asteptam in continuare de la voi puncte de vedere pertinente si precise!
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Old February 26th, 2012, 02:11 AM   #4227
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in esenta ai dreptate ca nu trebuie luate in seama brainfart-urile unor membri care polueaza mai mult sau mai putin forumurile.

Tu vorbesti mah, brainfart?

Singurul tau scop este de a comenta inutil si offtopic, numai aberatii si ineptii debitezi. Cred ca esti cel mai mare poluator de pe aici.
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Old February 26th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #4228
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Domnilor, va rog sa continuati disputa pe PM. Mersi.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:32 PM   #4229
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Old February 28th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #4230
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Pe ce trecatoare italiana este realizat filmuletul?
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Old February 28th, 2012, 06:46 AM   #4231
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Pe ce trecatoare italiana este realizat filmuletul?
Imi place ca te prinzi repede. E Saint Bernard, "le petit". Am postat filmuletul in speranta ca-i va "calma" pe combatantii de mai sus.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #4232
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Old February 28th, 2012, 07:38 AM   #4233
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Old February 28th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #4234
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LuluMob: Ne-ai prezentat etape din Turul Italiei la Ciclism!!!
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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:24 AM   #4235
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Filme nu prea am, dar mai gasesc poze.

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Si cu asta, gata cu off-topicul (fie el si partial). Sper ca se calmeaza spiritele.

Salutari!
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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #4236
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Largirea la patru benzi a soselei de legatura dintre Ford si viitoarea centura estica a Craiovei.








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Old February 28th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #4237
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Toate aceste drumuri de mai sus au acele "mici" detalii care te fac sa-ti dai seama ca nu sunt in Romania:
Ingrijirea acostamentului , a spatiilor verzi , parapetii , in general curatenia propriu-zisa si curatenia vizuala.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #4238
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most, despre ce strada e vorba in pozele tale ? arata-mi-o pe maps.google.ro
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Old February 28th, 2012, 05:06 PM   #4239
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E strada care trece prin fata fabricii
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Old February 28th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #4240
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Bravo, acum ca Ford chiar s-a apucat sa produca masini, merita si el un drum mai acatarii.

Se lucreaza si la drumul de legatura dintre Uzinele Dacia Mioveni si DN 73 Pitesti - Campulung.
Iata planul gasit prin site-uri argesene, la rezolutie cam mica...

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