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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #781
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There are very few cities building commercial high rises right now.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #782
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There are very few cities building commercial high rises right now.
Doesn't change the fact that building higher, in underutilized CBD's, has pretty much been standard operating procedure, in the US, for decades.

Developers don't look at downtowns and say, "Jeez, look at all that surface parking! No way can we build a highrise!"
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #783
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Orlando simply doesn't have the economic muscle to justify it. Like spenser said, who is going to build them and who is going to occupy them?
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #784
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Orlando simply doesn't have the economic muscle to justify it. Like spenser said, who is going to build them and who is going to occupy them?
Yes, but that's an entirely different argument.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #785
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No, it isnt.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #786
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No, it isnt.
"There is no demand for downtown highrises."

"There is too much underutilized space to build tall."

These are CLEARLY separate arguments. I guarantee you that if Orlando got a major corporate location that the new company would not be deterred from going tall, if indeed it wanted to go tall, because downtown Orlando is not built out.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #787
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Taken separately, and having no relation to the context of building in downtown Orlando, I can see what you are saying. Especially if you are comparing Orlando to Atlanta or Houston. But, your last state there.."if Orlando got a major corporate location that the new company would not be deterred from going tall"...plays exactly into the argument.

Corporations and economics drive high rise construction, or scarcity of land. Understood?
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Old February 19th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #788
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Taken separately, and having no relation to the context of building in downtown Orlando, I can see what you are saying. Especially if you are comparing Orlando to Atlanta or Houston. But, your last state there.."if Orlando got a major corporate location that the new company would not be deterred from going tall"...plays exactly into the argument.

Corporations and economics drive high rise construction, or scarcity of land. Understood?
No, I don't understand that last part. Take OKC, for example. It has TONS of underutilized space downtown. Yet, it's building an 844-foot highrise and rumors are hot and heavy that it's going to get another.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #789
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^Devon.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 10:53 PM   #790
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 02:27 PM   #791
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For the time being, I'll be content with them packing every city block and parcel with mid-rise office and/or residential structures.

I noticed that they've already erected some of the pre-fab components of Steelhouse's parking garage. it looks like it will be a little taller than the Cheney Place development just to the north. When this is done it will literally bridge the gap between Uptown and downtown by filling the gap between Cheney and Camden. it will do wonders for the streetscape.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 02:58 PM   #792
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The gap is Colonial Drive. It needs some major pedestrian friendly reconstruction.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:44 PM   #793
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After that lets go after the ugliest prominent intersection in town: Alafaya and University. It may be the most underwhelming front door to a major campus in the nation. Scrub brush on the NE and SE corners. Delapidated strip center on NW corner. Concrete slab, the remnants of a demolished gas station on the SW corner.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 08:29 PM   #794
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^Absolutely -- UCF and environs is exurban.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #795
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UCF: I agree. the college atmosphere is literally doomed because of the nature of that intersection as it is. You know that multi-story development to the south with parking deck attached, what's the name...well, its an awesome development and it would be really cool to have something like that at the corner of University and Alafaya for starters.


Colonial Drive: agreed. I think Camden was a good pseudo-start b/c of its proximity to Colonial. But, Steelhouse will literally be smack dab on Colonial, which is a huge new dynamic for the area. And I think the bridged gap will have a huge impact on that neighborhood, except for the fact there won't be any streetside retail, but, what can you do...
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Old February 24th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #796
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With Camden converting it's retail to residential units, the Steel House developers probably were detered from incorporating it into their design.
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Old March 2nd, 2012, 07:09 PM   #797
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Old March 2nd, 2012, 07:16 PM   #798
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A possible location would be the Orlando Sports Campus is located @ Gore and Rio Grande across from Jones High School
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Old March 8th, 2012, 09:57 PM   #799
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For MLS? they would just play them at the Citrus Bowl, no?
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Old March 12th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #800
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GDC apparently has owned the property at Marks & Orange with the address 899 N. Orange and plan to build a 255 or so unit 5-6 level complex there.

800 N. Orange would be to the north of that, right? I'm confused b/c the address and location don't make sense. It's on some downtown website. Anyone know any info on this?
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