MONTRÉAL Métro

[trainrover]

Trains down street might function in and around non-car-centric places; I'd only favour a tram down Park were the avenue trams only, although ain't it Park that's being reported as now suffering four years' worth of roadworks?

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Trains down street might function in and around non-car-centric places; I'd only favour a tram down Park were the avenue trams only, although ain't it Park that's being reported as now suffering four years' worth of roadworks?

*sarcasm* Why, what do you know? It is! But a tramway certainly couldn't help not kill the street, like what happened to the main. *sarcasm*

[trainrover]

Trains, i.e., lengthily-articulated trams, and cars really don't mix ... merchants would have a fit were cars prohibited from taking the avenue.

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Trains, i.e., lengthily-articulated trams, and cars really don't mix ... merchants would have a fit were cars prohibited from taking the avenue.

And people have a hissy fit when the idea of making downtown a tolled area surfaces. In this city, we had almost 500 km (I might be getting that wrong) of tramway lines and the number of cars was limited, and now the thought of it turns people off. In 5 years, when the price of gas is at $4 per liter, people will abandon their cars in favor of public transit. Every 15 cent jump in gas prices is a victory.

I never said prohibited, rather limited, i.e. reduced to 2 lanes in each direction.

[trainrover]

The prohibition was my own suggestion. As much as I dislike vehicular traffic and wish it be curtailed, it would take a miracle to bring about any clawback to car usage in and around the inner city, no?

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

The prohibition was my own suggestion. As much as I dislike vehicular traffic and wish it be curtailed, it would take a miracle to bring about any clawback to car usage in and around the inner city, no?

Sadly, the answer is yes. Or at least for now. There will be huge demand for public transit. Already 2 million people use the bus and metro every day, and that number is climbing every year.

As for middle of the street tram lines, this should be the option on Pie-IX, Parc, Cammilien-Houde (or completely replacing the road) and Queen-Mary, as well as a new service on the abandoned tracks in the Old Port.

[trainrover]

My preference is for metros although maybe middle-of-broad-boulevard (like Pie-IX and E & W Henri Bourassa) tramways would work

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

My preference is for metros although maybe middle-of-broad-boulevard (like Pie-IX and E & W Henri Bourassa) tramways would work

How about middle-of-the-road metro? The train could be enclosed in a glass tunnel and the cars could pass under the tracks. Either that or an elevated track on top of existing buildings (wouldn't work on residential streets, lol).

What happened to everyone else on this thread? You guy still here?

[BIMBAM]

You know what, my worry here is that as demand for transit goes up, as has been predicted, it won't necessarilly increase in availability to meet that demand. This is because the government is broke and can't afford to make the necessary transit investments it needs to. Weren't all those metro extensions announced four years ago? There's already plenty of demand in the areas it was announced the system would be expanded into. But since transport is not profitable, it requires public funds it doesn't generate them, it doesn't get funded. I understand it needs public funds to compete with the publicly built road system, but it's one more cost and just keeps getting put off.

[trainrover]

More like decades ago.

Most governments become broke from doling out their constituents' dollars to questionable entrepreneurs. Our overall problem lies in the supposition that the public sector must become profitable; affordability wouldn't be jeopardised if it weren't for this abominable belief, stance, position.

[VadBen]

Just make elevated trains everywhere. The metro doesn't have to be underground. Here in Osaka they're everywhere, even beside the high school where I teach.

[VadBen]

How do I post photos from iPhone to the forum?

[Ashok]

I do not believe there is a direct way to upload the photos, you would need using a image hoster than linking those files here. You can use photobucket.com if you want, it is free.

Each image in photobucket.com will have its own link, and once you got the link, just copy paste it in the 'image icon' you find on the top of the text box.

[trainrover]

Not much response to my suggestion

Originally Posted by trainrover

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interesting-looking switches/points

[Nouvellecosse]

Might be good for the Yellow line if it were to be extended further east into Longueuil.

[Nouvellecosse]

Anyone have a source citing the construction cost per km of the sheltered elevated section? It would be interesting to know how much such a structure would cost relative to an unsheltered elevated line and to see how much the savings would be compared to building underground.

[trainrover]

... plus imagine the costliness were it to last only 15 years

Originally Posted by trainrover

Tōkadai Shin-kōtsū Peach Liner, Komaki, Aichi Prefecture, Japan, 1991-2006

Whether people mover or metro, its '70s drapery plus its track switches must've been interesting ...

Arrière gare



Final day in service



Komaki → Taitung -- time lapse, x2



Taitung → Komaki -- time lapse, x2



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[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Not much response to my suggestion

Well, I think its a great idea. The Metro doesn't have to be underground. Sadly, the people at the AMT don't think.

[trainrover]

Something tells me that the STM are more overground aversive than the AMT

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Something tells me that the STM are more overground aversive than the AMT

I would have never thought that! "METRO MUST BE UNDERGROUND CAULIS DE TABARNACLE" might as well be a quote from the chairman himself...