Seattle Development News 8 - Page 93

NW Mike · February 28th, 2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LCIII

Its funny for me to see people complaining about rent costs but compared to NYC and DC where I lived before coming here the rents are cheap! At the end of the day it costs a pretty penny to live in nice spaces in desireable locations. Thats just the way it is.

I'm seeing many new renters coming in for Amazon or Microsoft. These individuals are from the east coast or abroad and have no problem paying these rents. They feel they are very affordable.

BoulderGrad · February 28th, 2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NW Mike

I'm seeing many new renters coming in for Amazon or Microsoft. These individuals are from the east coast or abroad and have no problem paying these rents. They feel they are very affordable.

Just because there might be people willing to pay it doesn't make it affordable.

Seattlelife · February 28th, 2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LCIII

Its funny for me to see people complaining about rent costs but compared to NYC and DC where I lived before coming here the rents are cheap! At the end of the day it costs a pretty penny to live in nice spaces in desireable locations. Thats just the way it is.

Agreed. My tiny 2 bedroom shit hole apartment in an up and coming, but certainly not there yet, neighborhood in Brooklyn was 1,600/mo. I was on the top floor (5th) with no elevator and no laundry in the building. The tub was too small to use, the toilet was wedged between the tub and wall, the bathroom sink overhung the tub, the heat was oil radiators and constantly on to the point you had to open the window while it was snowing, the kitchen tiles were coming up, my bedroom was the size of a parking spot, the windows were drafty, the stove was puny, the front door to the building was fucked up, there were cockroaches... etc...

Now I have a significantly larger 2 bedroom apartment in Greenwood/Phinney with superior appliances, a laundry room, an elevator etc and it's only 1,000/mo.

Of course there's a lot more to why rent is higher there (supply and demand) and my building was directly above a L line station which took you directly to 14th Street in Manhattan, so it had its perks. But I like what I have here!

Ruffhauser · February 29th, 2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattlelife

My tiny 2 bedroom shit hole apartment in an up and coming, but certainly not there yet, neighborhood in Brooklyn was 1,600/mo. I was on the top floor (5th) with no elevator and no laundry in the building. The tub was too small to use, the toilet was wedged between the tub and wall, the bathroom sink overhung the tub, the heat was oil radiators and constantly on to the point you had to open the window while it was snowing, the kitchen tiles were coming up, my bedroom was the size of a parking spot, the windows were drafty, the stove was puny, the front door to the building was fucked up, there were cockroaches... etc...

Get to the bad stuff already.....

InlandEmpire · February 29th, 2012, 04:40 AM

I dunno. I guess if I had to live in a shithole just to get to say I live in NY, I'd rather not. It would be depressing to come home to that after working all day just to afford said shithole.

My 1 bed on the hill is going for 2k now, and to me that's a lot of money, but I guess trade off is the building is new and nice.

Seattlelife · February 29th, 2012, 05:32 AM

All I had known my whole life was Kirkland and Seattle. I had an opportunity to try something after college before settling down and I did it. Wouldn't take it back for anything. With that said I have no desire to live there again but it was awesome experience.

SteveM · February 29th, 2012, 07:20 AM

On the NYC-Seattle comparison front: I'm living in NYC now. As of about a month ago, I was considering moving back to Seattle but have decided to stay in NYC for the time being (it's complicated; grad school, my wife's job and our 2-year-old kid are all factors).

The thing to understand about NYC rents is that because it's such a walking/transit city, location matters a LOT. So rents vary far more dramatically by neighborhood than in Seattle -- one person I know lives in an enormous 3BR apartment in Washington Heights (a poor-ish but very safe neighborhood at the North of Manhattan) paying about $1600, while another pays at least twice that for a 1BR in Battery Park City, near downtown.

Seattlelife's apartment along the L line was probably basically free or unoccupied 20 years ago, $800 10 years ago, and could be $2400 in 10 more years if Williamsburg continues to gentrify.

It'll be interesting to see if the neighborhood polarization effect applies to Seattle as it gets more walking/transit oriented. When my wife and I were considering moving back, I basically only wanted to consider neighborhoods along the present/future light rail lines. I'm not sure if I'm alone in that, but if I'm not, I could imagine significant polarization.

On the other hand, Seattle will never be as transit-oriented as NYC.

Capitol Hill · February 29th, 2012, 05:46 PM

My partner and I are at the preliminary stages of choosing where to purchase. He works down in SODO, I am a flight attendant. Proximity to light rail for me is becoming a lot more important than in the past, so it looks like Rainier Valley or Beacon Hill for us. If you'd have told me 20 years ago that I'd consider those neighborhoods, I would have thought you were crazy, but here we are.

LCIII · March 1st, 2012, 02:25 AM

DJC says city leaders met today to discuss land use, zoning and planning agenda for 2012...Here's hoping they all said "Up! Up! Up!!!"

jessejb · March 1st, 2012, 02:45 AM

Awesome! Getn hiiiiiiigh in here.

BellevueBoy · March 1st, 2012, 10:19 AM

The DJC says the midrise building on Elliott across from the Art Institute is going to start this August. They demoed that building years ago, it's good to finally see something get built.

SteveM · March 1st, 2012, 05:22 PM

A plan to redevelop some of the county juvenile detention center, which is currently a huge parking lot and a small building. The whole thing is on 12th, just south of the Seattle U part of 12th.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ecourt01m.html

I'm not sure whether this would be better funded out the general fund (rather than a special-case levy), but I like the fact that selling some of the land to a developer is part of the funding package. And the area could definitely use some more residential.

In any case, nothing's going to happen any time soon.

benleis · March 2nd, 2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveM

A plan to redevelop some of the county juvenile detention center, which is currently a huge parking lot and a small building. The whole thing is on 12th, just south of the Seattle U part of 12th.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ecourt01m.html

I'm not sure whether this would be better funded out the general fund (rather than a special-case levy), but I like the fact that selling some of the land to a developer is part of the funding package. And the area could definitely use some more residential.

In any case, nothing's going to happen any time soon.

Personally it would make more sense to move the entire facility to another location with cheaper land and fund it partly via the sale of the entire site.
I have to wonder on the desirability of building residential property directly adjacent to a detention facility. That's certainly not my idea of a good neighbor.

Ben

meku · March 2nd, 2012, 03:22 AM

More dorms to offset some of the halfway-houses and seediness would be ideal.

mSeattle · March 2nd, 2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by benleis

Personally it would make more sense to move the entire facility to another location with cheaper land and fund it partly via the sale of the entire site.
I have to wonder on the desirability of building residential property directly adjacent to a detention facility. That's certainly not my idea of a good neighbor.

Ben

I don't think anyone wants youth detention to be a big business, in-city or on the outskirts. The only thing I think is bad about the center from the outside is it's large surface parking lot and from what I can remember it seems to be set back from the streets.

Plant a bunch of big trees and/or tall art instillations around it and we wouldn't know it was there.

jlbjlb · March 3rd, 2012, 07:29 PM

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SJM · March 3rd, 2012, 07:45 PM

awesome its growing! Now we just need to remove that viaduct

CrazyAboutCities · March 3rd, 2012, 08:20 PM

Four more years until it will be gone for good.

Doomgoggles · March 5th, 2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyAboutCities

Four more years until it will be gone for good.

Or one big quake

CrazyAboutCities · March 5th, 2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Doomgoggles

Or one big quake

No quakes please. Not in our lifetime.

February 29th, 2012, 05:32 AM	#1846
Seattlelife Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle/Brooklyn Posts: 3,403 Likes (Received): 62	All I had known my whole life was Kirkland and Seattle. I had an opportunity to try something after college before settling down and I did it. Wouldn't take it back for anything. With that said I have no desire to live there again but it was awesome experience. __________________ Supersonics Belong in Seattle Sonicsgate, a must see! Just click and watch. http://www.sonicsgate.org/

February 29th, 2012, 05:46 PM	#1848
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,421 Likes (Received): 171	My partner and I are at the preliminary stages of choosing where to purchase. He works down in SODO, I am a flight attendant. Proximity to light rail for me is becoming a lot more important than in the past, so it looks like Rainier Valley or Beacon Hill for us. If you'd have told me 20 years ago that I'd consider those neighborhoods, I would have thought you were crazy, but here we are. __________________ After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF

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jessejb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,704 Likes (Received): 106	Awesome! Getn hiiiiiiigh in here. __________________ Le Tumblr: http://inanevergreenstate.tumblr.com/

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February 29th, 2012, 04:40 AM	#1845
InlandEmpire Mixologist Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 197 Likes (Received): 0	I dunno. I guess if I had to live in a shithole just to get to say I live in NY, I'd rather not. It would be depressing to come home to that after working all day just to afford said shithole. My 1 bed on the hill is going for 2k now, and to me that's a lot of money, but I guess trade off is the building is new and nice.

February 29th, 2012, 07:20 AM	#1847
SteveM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 482 Likes (Received): 3	On the NYC-Seattle comparison front: I'm living in NYC now. As of about a month ago, I was considering moving back to Seattle but have decided to stay in NYC for the time being (it's complicated; grad school, my wife's job and our 2-year-old kid are all factors). The thing to understand about NYC rents is that because it's such a walking/transit city, location matters a LOT. So rents vary far more dramatically by neighborhood than in Seattle -- one person I know lives in an enormous 3BR apartment in Washington Heights (a poor-ish but very safe neighborhood at the North of Manhattan) paying about $1600, while another pays at least twice that for a 1BR in Battery Park City, near downtown. Seattlelife's apartment along the L line was probably basically free or unoccupied 20 years ago, $800 10 years ago, and could be $2400 in 10 more years if Williamsburg continues to gentrify. It'll be interesting to see if the neighborhood polarization effect applies to Seattle as it gets more walking/transit oriented. When my wife and I were considering moving back, I basically only wanted to consider neighborhoods along the present/future light rail lines. I'm not sure if I'm alone in that, but if I'm not, I could imagine significant polarization. On the other hand, Seattle will never be as transit-oriented as NYC.

March 1st, 2012, 02:25 AM	#1849
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,871 Likes (Received): 64	DJC says city leaders met today to discuss land use, zoning and planning agenda for 2012...Here's hoping they all said "Up! Up! Up!!!"

March 1st, 2012, 10:19 AM	#1851
BellevueBoy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,058 Likes (Received): 0	The DJC says the midrise building on Elliott across from the Art Institute is going to start this August. They demoed that building years ago, it's good to finally see something get built.

March 1st, 2012, 05:22 PM	#1852
SteveM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 482 Likes (Received): 3	A plan to redevelop some of the county juvenile detention center, which is currently a huge parking lot and a small building. The whole thing is on 12th, just south of the Seattle U part of 12th. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ecourt01m.html I'm not sure whether this would be better funded out the general fund (rather than a special-case levy), but I like the fact that selling some of the land to a developer is part of the funding package. And the area could definitely use some more residential. In any case, nothing's going to happen any time soon.

March 2nd, 2012, 03:22 AM	#1854
meku Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 985 Likes (Received): 15	More dorms to offset some of the halfway-houses and seediness would be ideal.

March 3rd, 2012, 07:45 PM	#1857
SJM Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,234 Likes (Received): 3	awesome its growing! Now we just need to remove that viaduct

March 3rd, 2012, 08:20 PM	#1858
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,332 Likes (Received): 17	Four more years until it will be gone for good.