Kenya's Middle Class

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by Malaika254

For the sake of my sanity and that of other members (I presume), could we throw the showcase of linguistic bravado out through the window and continue discussing kenya's middle class? Thank you in advance!

Now back to the discussion at hand, I am imagining (no statistics though) that the highest concetration of middle class is likely to be found in the richest counties (Nairobi, Kajiado et al) and the agricultural towns like Kitale. This is simply an observation though.

i concur. That data has been tabulated somewhere by bureau of statistics. I remember reading it only that am yet to get an online copy

[Malaika254]

Originally Posted by Dhuks

i concur. That data has been tabulated somewhere by bureau of statistics. I remember reading it only that am yet to get an online copy

I've been on that site for 2 days, I am yet to get it, although I remember reading through it in the past. If I find it, i will post it.

[Malaika254]

Originally Posted by tallglassy

Yes , the average income is listed in the open data portal and I am certain Nairobi and Kajiado have a high concentration of middle class but i think the largest segment is distributed among the urban centers in the country.

Thank you. I got the poverty rate by district from the Kenya open data portal, this should give us an idea, although the figures date back to 2005-2006.
Link:
http://opendata.go.ke/-Environment-A...rict/i5bp-z9aq

Some of the figures are highly debatable.

[egypt69]

Uhuru na Umoja, please stay strictly on topic or I will be taking further action.

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by Malaika254

Thank you. I got the poverty rate by district from the Kenya open data portal, this should give us an idea, although the figures date back to 2005-2006.
Link:
http://opendata.go.ke/-Environment-A...rict/i5bp-z9aq

Some of the figures are highly debatable.

my browser had a rough time opening that;is it the same thing with this?
http://opendata.go.ke/Counties/Pover...unty/z6za-e7yb

[Kenguy]

my thoughts exactly. The bulk of the middle class is to be found in counties making up the Nairobi metropolitan region, counties that host major urban areas and those with large scale agricultural and tourism concerns.

Im hoping the devolved governance system will move resources from these privileged regions to those historically left out and spawn the growth of a strong middle class countrywide.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by egypt69

Uhuru na Umoja, please stay strictly on topic or I will be taking further action.

I have never been out of topic. This topic is like any house, therefore, being in the lounge doesn't make me out of the house simply because others are in the bedroom.

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by tallglassy

according to the clip the middle class in Kenya is the population of about 1.5 mio. can that be 44% of Kenyans as the report by the East African? Put in mind of these 1.5 mio. about 200,000 r expatriates! i need explanation...here

[xJamaax]

His calculations must be wrong and it's even an estimation.

10% of urban population = 1.5 million?

What's the exact number of urban population?

I thought you would have been applauding this good news but your comment doesnt give any indication of that.Just so typical!

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by xJamaax

His calculations must be wrong and it's even an estimation.

10% of urban population = 1.5 million?

What's the exact number of urban population?

I thought you would have been applauding this good news but your comment doesnt give any indication of that.Just so typical!

what do u want me to applaud? nothing unusual! if on a good job that lady holds, it's for her and its her individual accomplishment! At least i can say sth on the coffee business but that's not a new idea, the weather allows people to take coffee in Nairobi ( i wonder why no one saw that till a white man came) unlike in Dar where ice creams/coffee ice can do better though in Arusha and Moshi such businesses exist though to a lower scale!

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

what do u want me to applaud? nothing unusual! if on a good job that lady holds, it's for her and its her individual accomplishment! At least i can say sth on the coffee business but that's not a new idea, the weather allows people to take coffee in Nairobi ( i wonder why no one saw that till a white man came) unlike in Dar where ice creams/coffee ice can do better though in Arusha and Moshi such businesses exist though to a lower scale!

You only sees white , black, tribalism and Kikuyus;what a waste.

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

what do u want me to applaud? nothing unusual! if on a good job that lady holds, it's for her and its her individual accomplishment! At least i can say sth on the coffee business but that's not a new idea, the weather allows people to take coffee in Nairobi ( i wonder why no one saw that till a white man came) unlike in Dar where ice creams/coffee ice can do better though in Arusha and Moshi such businesses exist though to a lower scale!

The story had nothing to do with the woman's individual abilities or the business owner but the growth of middle class.

About the American owning the business, there are many coffee businesses in Nairobi that were there before he came and he even acknowledged the fact that the Kenyans running the business were making very good coffee than he could do or he expected. Again, Geza will never see such a positive observation. His only thing is to make it racial, "The white man came in blah blah".

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by Dhuks

You only sees white , black, tribalism and Kikuyus;what a waste.

Exactly and look at his signature.

[tallglassy]

These Tanzanian obscurantists should be banned from the Kenyan side of the forum. Most of them do nothing but derail every single thread they come across about Kenya. I am for freedom of speech but not freedom from reason.

The facts are that when this video was made in 2008 there was no data on the middle class and the figures in the video were wild estimates. Now in 2012!! we have the data and unless you have a groundbreaking research or data please stop trolling.

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by tallglassy

These Tanzanian obscurantists should be banned from the Kenyan side of the forum. Most of them do nothing but derail every single thread they come across about Kenya. I am for freedom of speech but not freedom from reason.

The facts are that when this video was made in 2008 there was no data on the middle class and the figures in the video were wild estimates. Now in 2012!! we have the data and unless you have a groundbreaking research or data please stop trolling.

Dont lump them, only two are beyond understanding and their stands are known even before they spell them out.

[tallglassy]

Originally Posted by Dhuks

Dont lump them, only two are beyond understanding and their stands are known even before they spell them out.

Hey! MY statement is aimed at ONLY those that derail the threads: Uhuru, Geza and Bantugbro.

These Tanzanian obscurantists should be banned from the Kenyan side of the forum. Most of them do nothing but derail every single thread they come across about Kenya. I am for freedom of speech but not freedom from reason.

[Malaika254]

Originally Posted by Dhuks

my browser had a rough time opening that;is it the same thing with this?
http://opendata.go.ke/Counties/Pover...unty/z6za-e7yb

Yip, that's the one.

[donddon]

To keep a fire burning you add more fuel...dont give him the fuel.so what if some souls envy what is happening to Kenya....he has you as his audience and you play to his????

[abckris]

Originally Posted by tallglassy

Yes , the average income is listed in the open data portal and I am certain Nairobi and Kajiado have a high concentration of middle class but i think the largest segment is distributed among the urban centers in the country.

There is direct link between development of towns/cities and human development. That means more richer people in urban centres than in rural areas generally. When you talk of middle class in Kenya, what exactly are talking about. Which income levels are you talking about?

The 10% in the clip is that in urban populations but what proportion of Kenyans is in urban areas? The 10% is wrong in my estimates and general readings. If 44% of total population is in middle class, I doubt that 34% could be all in the rural areas. It simply does not make sense.

[Arzedu]

Originally Posted by abckris

There is direct link between development of towns/cities and human development. That means more richer people in urban centres than in rural areas generally. When you talk of middle class in Kenya, what exactly are talking about. Which income levels are you talking about?

Even the mandarins at Planning knew that way back in the early 1980s when the ugly spectre of the disconnect between urban and rural development was noted. Remember the DFRD (District Focus for Rural Development)? I think reading somewhere Nyachae being in the thick of it (just as his son today is leading the charge for devolution of resources: serendipity!)

I have seen some good initiatives in Rwanda, where the government outlays some resources in developing e.g. market stalls for rural folks: I saw some when once I drove out to Kayonza district.

Uhuru's ESP was spot on, and needed more resources: I was pleasantly surprised to see horticultural 'exhibition' stalls coming up all over rural Kenya. And imagine my pride when I saw in Dertu (does anyone know where this rural outpost is? It is 160kms north of Garissa) one very very impressive school, so well built, as an ESP initiative.

This will certainly improve our HDI rankings, I reckon.