The Falkland Islands

[desertswo]

Originally Posted by Maximinus Thrax

A major problem (at least to my way of thinking) in this day and age, is over-government - particularly in Europe, although your point about the legislative difference between states of the US is interesting.

As a Scot I am subjected to the controlling whims of my local concil, the Scottish Parliament, Westminster and the European Union. That is four elected assemblies (or not, in the case of the EU), all determined to tell me what the fuck I should be doing!

Did I just say 'doing'? If only that were where it stopped, we now have 'hate crime' legislation. Seriously, my government is telling me who I can and cannot hate - even Elizabeth I refused to 'make windows into men's souls'. This revolting and utterly redundant piece of law-making really drives a horse and cart through my fucking onions. Acting on my hatreds and prejudices was already a crime.

to mangle a phrase, I have way too many giants standing on my shoulders.

Which is why, despite my Catholic upbringing, I always admired her rather pragmatic views on religion and personal beliefs. Beyond that, I feel your pain my friend, and no, you didn't mangle things too badly.

[elpibe]

Originally Posted by JamesCunny

Mate your wrong there i have seen the amount of Argentines on the telegraph and other British sites they google news Falklands and malvinas constantly as soon as something pops up there onto it so this vote it is nonsense if the telegraph took a look at the IP addresses it would all be proven false statistics and the fact it actually suggests Argentina owned the islands when in fact we where in control of the islands before Argentina even existed as a country so any claim they have is nonsense the French have the best claim to islands and are not interested then it would be us and the Spanish since there not interested we are the sole country with a legitimate claim as Argentina's claim is based on the fact the Spanish invaded the islands in 1800's sometime hardly a claim its like Australia claiming New Zealand now stupid logic by stupid people.

Dear James, do you think that every Argentinean man women and child are behind a computer ready to fill with votes an English newspaper? of course you do, it is call denial of the facts as the truth is becoming more and more acknowledged by everyone and that is what is going to happen, the return of Malvinas to their natural owners without firing a shot in anger it will be resolved by diplomatic means, sorry but get used to it...

BTW, This man makes sense speaking his mind as it should be, not a fan of him but I respect his way of rationalizing the actual world affairs as well as the past ones by the English in particular, and here I make an emphasis on the the word 'English' I won't be putting everyone in a cat's bag by calling them British...there are good honest Irish, Scottish and Welsh people over there that do not deserve to be put in the same bag.

The Malvinas (Falklands) Are Argentinian: Roger Waters



He told a news conference in the Chilean capital, Santiago

Pink Floyd Star: Malvinas (Falklands) Are Argentinian

In an interview with Chilean broadcaster TVN, Waters said: "I am as ashamed as I possibly could be of our colonial past... when we were out raping and plundering and stealing from everybody.

"That kind of imperialism is not something as an Englishman I am proud of."

He went on to tell TVN anchorman Amaro Gomez-Pablos: "The Falklands are Argentinian."

[madjackmcmad]

If it makes you feel good that malvinists rigging a poll online is some sort of 'win'.... knock yourself out.

[AdmiralAnthony]

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/

Any of our British forumers here who may be keen to see the latest Argentine news from Argentina itself, and their point of view or issues (such as the Falklands) might want to make the above link to the Buenos Aires Herald a 'favorite' on their web browser for quick access to Argentine bullshit.

[AdmiralAnthony]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

How France helped both sides in the Falklands War

In his memoirs, former UK Defence Secretary Sir John Nott describes France as Britain's "greatest ally" during the Falklands War. But formerly secret papers and other evidence seen by the BBC show that was not the full story...

[makita09]

Originally Posted by desertswo

That aside, I asked you out in the America bashing thread, where does it stop? Where is that line in the sand where you stop and say, "Enough!"? What facet of your private life, no matter how mundane and inconsequential will be the trip wire? Trust me, as a native Californian, I've seen it with my own eyes. It will start with the Hunting Act of 2004, but it won't end there, and you'll one day wake up like Winston Smith, and suddenly realize the society in which you live is, in Newspeak, "double-plus un-good."

Nah, the Hunting act is just part of the usual swing from Stalinism to Liberalism (Victorian definition) that characterises the governments of Labour and the Conservatives. Its not as if the toffs don't still go out and hunt 7 years later. Just not as much or sometimes pretending, but pretending is nearly as fun anyway, they still get to dress up in silly outfits, get pissed and lord it over the plebs all day.

[Caiman]

Originally Posted by elpibe

when we were out raping and plundering and stealing from everybody.

Because of course, the ancestors of most Argentinians did no such thing to the original population of South America.

[A J Rimmer]

argentina now moaning about prince harry

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-Prince-Harry/


THOUSANDS of Argentines will hijack Prince Harry’s party tour of South America as tensions reach boiling point over the Falklands.
Security chiefs fear trouble over the disputed islands.Argentine fanatics plan to hijack Prince Harry’s party tour as tensions reach boiling point over the Falklands.

Royal security chiefs were on high alert last night after thousands of activists threatened to “show their anger” in the dispute over the islands.Harry, 27, is visiting Argentina’s neighbour Brazil later this week as part of his 10-day trip for the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee.And it is feared the Prince will be mobbed by furious Argie protesters demanding the Falkland Islands, which they call the Malvinas, are handed to them.

Leaders of the Argentine community in Brazil claimed the visit was a deliberate act of provocation by Britain.

[Caiman]

Fringe elements of Argentinian society that I can assure you in no way represent the views of the majority

[poringa]

Originally Posted by Caiman

Because of course, the ancestors of most Argentinians did no such thing to the original population of South America.

yeah like the welsh that scape from the english influence and are now argentine citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa

[madjackmcmad]

Originally Posted by Caiman

Because of course, the ancestors of most Argentinians did no such thing to the original population of South America.

As has been mentioned the Falklands were settled for 40 years when Argentina began its 'usurpation' and genocide in Patagonia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa

Yes, interesting that Argentina offered them someone elses territory they had not yet conquered. Again, 40 years after the Falklands had been settled....

[Crash_N]

Just fringe elements...

[beaky]

just a silly point. argentina were not happy about prince william flying his helicopter around the falklands. what would they do if prince harry turned up in his helicopter?

[A J Rimmer]

Originally Posted by beaky

just a silly point. argentina were not happy about prince william flying his helicopter around the falklands. what would they do if prince harry turned up in his helicopter?

[RobitTV]

Change in Argentine policy is “an attempt to collect support and look less mean”

The apparent change in Argentine policy towards the Falkland Islands by offering three direct flights to the Islands from Buenos Aires instead of cutting the air link with Chile, as had been anticipated, was described by Chilean diplomatic sources as “an attempt to collect international support and look less mean”.

The Chilean reaction comes just a few weeks before Argentine President Cristina Fernandez official visit to Chile scheduled for the end of March.

Last week Cristina Fernandez announced before the Argentine congress not only the proposal of three Buenos Aires/Falklands weekly flights with Aerolineas Argentinas, but also revealed she had instructed the Foreign Affairs minister and the ambassador in London to begin discussions on the review of the 1999 three-side agreement (Argentina, UK and the Falklands) which allows for the weekly Lan Chile flight Santiago-Falklands, with a monthly stop at Rio Gallegos.

The reason for the review is because “only us (Argentina) really complies with the (1999) agreements allowing two weekly flights to the Islands from Argentina”, said Cristina Fernandez.

“We have instructed that negotiations begin for instead of the Lan Chile flight (which at the time it was decided would fly twice a month landing in Rio Gallegos), the flights are three but taking off from continental Argentina, Buenos Aires to the Islands and in Aerolinas Argentinas”.

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/05/...look-less-mean

[Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by elpibe

and here I make an emphasis on the the word 'English' I won't be putting everyone in a cat's bag by calling them British...there are good honest Irish, Scottish and Welsh people over there that do not deserve to be put in the same bag.

You are priceless, alfabeta.

[Maximinus Thrax]

Elpibe, I am a 'good honest Scot', feel free to place me in that 'cat's bag' and call me British.

In fact, don't presume to speak for me or my countrymen.

[elpibe]

Okay you're in...don't come back when the bag goes overboard, good luck and enjoy the ride.

[elpibe]

Don't cry for me (read, Major-General Julian Thompson), Argentina!

England's own 1588 perhaps?

[Zool]

Waters denies having said what he said and blasts Malvinas war

A few days after the Chilean and Argentine media ran the story that Roger Waters had said that the Malvinas Islands belonged to Argentina, the former Pink Floyd lead singer published a note on his Facebook page where he explained that a local journalist “misunderstood” him since he never made such statement.

“I recently gave a press conference in Santiago, Chile, where I answered questions for over an hour,” the note begins.

“As I speak no Spanish my answers were translated by an interpreter. I was asked about the Malvinas/Falklands and gave a comprehensive answer. A journalist from Argentina wrote a news piece in an Argentine paper quoting me as stating categorically that the islands belong to Argentina. I said nothing of the kind,”

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/06/...s-war#comments