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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:39 AM   #341
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you are right on that. i am sure we would actually have better stadiums, teams etc.

but if we really look at sports in a greater sense, we would see in the Olympic games for example, we always did bad there (unter pahlavi and now the same), expect for the ones like taekwondo, wrestling and weightlifting.

about football, yes you are right. we won the asian cup 3 times. but remember, football at that time was not big in places like japan, korea and not even in arab countries. now I mean we are just forth in asia behind japan, australia and south korea. but we did the world cup 3 times (78, 98, 06, and lets hope 2014 now).

but in futsal, volleyball, basketball, and of course wrestling, weightlifting, karate, taekwondo, and wushu we are among the best in asia, if not the best.

overall, I THINK that we are not a sport-nation at all. i mean sport has no real value in iran. i mean go to iran and say you are doing sport. they would not take you seriously. it is the same like india.

i would say sport-nations are china, russia, germany, japan, america, cuba, france, and uk, but not iran.
with irans population today and all those years and all those people that have been raised in the more professional era of sports, we must expect more people in olympics , yet, by ratio, iran has been doing horribly in olympics

u say korea and japan etc werent big, in football, but they were able to get 100 times ahead of us in 30 years, if iran advanced like it did before iran would of been even ahead of japan and korea today, football was big in iran since the early days of its creation mate

karate etc are nice but people care more about football, and because of that football hasnt improved since thats where all the money is, therefor more bokhor bokhor

and claing iran isnt a sporting nation is a JOKE for over thousands or years iran has honored its sportsmen amd women

back in the day people respected the "varzeshkars" in the neighborhood and still do

the most popular people in iran are people like karimi , daei, bagheri, parvin , sourian etc, they are the voice of the people and the only place people can express themselves truly is sport, sports are a part of our culture and your claim is incorrect,they are like heroes
and there are many people that come 500 km across the country in a broken minibus to support their team, people that chant and dream and breathe their club,
and u say we are not a sporting nation???
u compaire iran with india?

our professional aspect of sports hasnt afvanced however because of the reasons mentioned, its the place where people domonate it therefor the regime tries to cripple it
none the less, sports in iran is huge spiritual and physical element
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Old March 17th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #342
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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #343
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I find it disgusting when people say BS about stuff they don't have enough knowledge about!
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #344
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iran at the end of the 70s was the only power in asia

also, at that time, most clubd were private , and the federation was ran by professionals, sport in iran directly relates to the "shah" or "mollah", so the comments above about having good stadiums if the revolution did not happen are absolutely correct
dont forget that iran was going to host the olympics until the revolution happened and the games moved to moscow
Soroush jan,

Iran was never confirmed as the host. NEVER! This is one of the worst of the Iranian urban myths.

And no most clubs were not private. Shahin, Persepolis and Shahbaz were basically the only private clubs and they always faced heavy restrictions. (Shahin was forcibly disbanded and Shahbaz was dissolved). Clubs like Taj, Rah Ahan, Sanat Naft, Malvan, Daraei, Homa... (the big teams of the 70s) were all funded by government arms, just like now.
Now most clubs are run by pasdars, back then they were run by timsars. Conditions for football players were not good at all then. Except for the superstars most were extremely poor.
Now what is upsetting, is that most Iranian clubs have shown no improvement in management since the revolution! Its all about spending on players and trips that show little results. Very few clubs, except for maybe Sepahan and Foolad spend money on facilities and youth teams.
The two biggest teams in Iran, Persepolis (my favorite) and Esteghlal are both very much guilty of this. They have been given much free land several times by the government but rarely taken advantage of it. I think Esteghlal after nearly existing for 70 years is finally building a training facility!

Having said that the volleyball and basketball federations in Iran are run extremely well, and they have alot of good plans. However, as you mentioned football is much more popular and alot more greasy and dirty hands want to get in its pockets!

Football is an odd sport. Its not just all about finances or players. You need the right balance. Otherwise a nation like China would win the damn thing every 4 years.
In Iran the talent potential is huge, probably the best in Asia in that sense. The management and infrastructure is very weak though, even compared to other federations in Iran.
The government isn't going to do much good in this sense. The clubs, players and those who care about the sport need to take their destiny into their own hands. They need to stop allowing dallals to push 6th rate players for 300 to 500 million toman to clubs and then never play them (because they suck). Akhounds need to stop worrying about player's haircuts. Players need to realize that with the amount of money they make, they must behave like professionals (train on time and regularly, proper diet, speaking...). IRIB needs to pay clubs their share of TV rights. Clubs need to bite the bullet, not spend on players for a few years and build their own stadiums (even if its small and not sexy)....

You could probably add another 500 items to what I've said. I just wanted to mention the entire sport of football in Iran is very sick right now. From every corner.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #345
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Soroush jan,

Iran was never confirmed as the host. NEVER! This is one of the worst of the Iranian urban myths.

And no most clubs were not private. Shahin, Persepolis and Shahbaz were basically the only private clubs and they always faced heavy restrictions. (Shahin was forcibly disbanded and Shahbaz was dissolved). Clubs like Taj, Rah Ahan, Sanat Naft, Malvan, Daraei, Homa... (the big teams of the 70s) were all funded by government arms, just like now.
Now most clubs are run by pasdars, back then they were run by timsars. Conditions for football players were not good at all then. Except for the superstars most were extremely poor.
Now what is upsetting, is that most Iranian clubs have shown no improvement in management since the revolution! Its all about spending on players and trips that show little results. Very few clubs, except for maybe Sepahan and Foolad spend money on facilities and youth teams.
The two biggest teams in Iran, Persepolis (my favorite) and Esteghlal are both very much guilty of this. They have been given much free land several times by the government but rarely taken advantage of it. I think Esteghlal after nearly existing for 70 years is finally building a training facility!

Having said that the volleyball and basketball federations in Iran are run extremely well, and they have alot of good plans. However, as you mentioned football is much more popular and alot more greasy and dirty hands want to get in its pockets!

Football is an odd sport. Its not just all about finances or players. You need the right balance. Otherwise a nation like China would win the damn thing every 4 years.
In Iran the talent potential is huge, probably the best in Asia in that sense. The management and infrastructure is very weak though, even compared to other federations in Iran.
The government isn't going to do much good in this sense. The clubs, players and those who care about the sport need to take their destiny into their own hands. They need to stop allowing dallals to push 6th rate players for 300 to 500 million toman to clubs and then never play them (because they suck). Akhounds need to stop worrying about player's haircuts. Players need to realize that with the amount of money they make, they must behave like professionals (train on time and regularly, proper diet, speaking...). IRIB needs to pay clubs their share of TV rights. Clubs need to bite the bullet, not spend on players for a few years and build their own stadiums (even if its small and not sexy)....

You could probably add another 500 items to what I've said. I just wanted to mention the entire sport of football in Iran is very sick right now. From every corner.
yes i agree with you completely, its a whole system that needs to change from the roots

everything is messed up

irans football wasnt professional, however, it never claimed to be, and everyone knew that, the money wasnt as big, popular yes, but not professional

no though with these millions of dollars and fake image we really must be ashamed to even call it close to football

atleast back then the timsars held the team but used wise managers, systems etc, now its all for money
however, i never said tehran was chosen , i said they were going to host it , it might of sounded like i said that, and if i did i apologize however , i knew tehran came to the last or second last bidding stage i believe, there was a high chance of winning

i mean imagine busheshr with a small 10000 stadium but with high quality, proper management, etc , its all a dream
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #346
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lol you guys should relax. i do not disagree from most that i can read here. there are clearly sports where we are among the best, and other sports where we still have some problems. i mean this year i am actually very optimistic about the Olympics. we can win a lot of medals this year. i feel this. what i meant in comparison to india was that while sport is more liked in iran than in india, it is not as great as it is in china or germany. especially women sport, which is another topic for itself. what i see in iran is that sport is seen as more important as ever actually. older iranians however have some problems when they hear that their grandchildren want to be professional athlete.

what is certain, yes we are among the best in asia (just watch the asian games 2010) but not among the best of the world. but this can change. i really believe we can win like 6-7 gold metals this time. just watch for salimi (weightlifting), haddadi (discus) and our guys in taekwondo and wrestling.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #347
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Guys just pay attention when mentioned sport nation you have to ask yourself what do you mean by that?

If you are talking hero's and champions that doesn't make Nation a sport nation. sport in general starts from schools which in that part our country is very poor just remember every one his school was a building and a small yard for almost 500 to 600 students. now you tell me except a volleyball team or a basketball team whose going to play what ?

So there are not enough room to play at schools which you have to conceder a big part as sport nation .

In USA sport starts from kindergartens Elementary schools have sport hall football field baseball field a lot of open volleyball and basket ball field not to mention fields for other kids game when time comes to sport all of the students with uniform have to attend under their sport teacher or coach care .

High schools they have same facilities but more professional like they have football field with up to 10000 seats and sport hall with 5000 seats they also sell tickets for games to make money for school.

And colleges they are more professionals than most of professional clubs around the world foe example some of colleges have a up to 19000 arena for indoor sports and stadium up to 90000 seats for football.
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For other people the parks which their facilities are enough for all clubs and mahali teams in Iran combined.

Now you tell me are we a sport nation ?

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Old March 18th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #350
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lol you guys should relax. i do not disagree from most that i can read here. there are clearly sports where we are among the best, and other sports where we still have some problems. i mean this year i am actually very optimistic about the Olympics. we can win a lot of medals this year. i feel this. what i meant in comparison to india was that while sport is more liked in iran than in india, it is not as great as it is in china or germany. especially women sport, which is another topic for itself. what i see in iran is that sport is seen as more important as ever actually. older iranians however have some problems when they hear that their grandchildren want to be professional athlete.

what is certain, yes we are among the best in asia (just watch the asian games 2010) but not among the best of the world. but this can change. i really believe we can win like 6-7 gold metals this time. just watch for salimi (weightlifting), haddadi (discus) and our guys in taekwondo and wrestling.
olympics? haha, iran was about to boycott them

and how many athletes are we sending ? 5?

u mentioned womens sports, well, if it wasnt for this lovely refgimeee...

older iranians like all older people hate hearing that because at their time era , sports, nowhere in the world were a good source of income, stabilty etc and u cant "choose" to become an athlete u have to have real talent then u have to be seen
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And you are laughing at me? I laugh at you, you expect Iran to build something like the London Olympic Stadium.

With 4 U.N sanctions and soon to be a complete embargo, dream on, foolhearted children!
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And you are laughing at me? I laugh at you, you expect Iran to build something like the London Olympic Stadium.

With 4 U.N sanctions and soon to be a complete embargo, dream on, foolhearted children!
yes we do,because we can, there are 482992 jobless architect in iran with great designs

and WTF do sanctions have to do anything with stadium design and architecture?
the stadium is not nice, done
what do u say about the new paralympic complex in tehran that has lovely architecture? howcome sanctions didnt have an effect on that
look whos calling us a child
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And you are laughing at me? I laugh at you, you expect Iran to build something like the London Olympic Stadium.

With 4 U.N sanctions and soon to be a complete embargo, dream on, foolhearted children!
ma ke tavagho nadarim ina ye varzeshgahe normal dar saate leage 3ye urupai besazan. ama ino mishe tavagho dasht ke aghalan namaye botuniye varzeshgaho bepushunan.

ye rangi bezanan, ye charta shishe kar bezaran, dige ashghaltarin keshvarhaye donayaham fahmidan ke ba aluminium, metal, shishe ye namaye emroozi va modern mishe jelve dad.

namaye biroono mitunestan mesle inja dorost konan, na kari dare, da sakhte, na architect mikhad, na kharji dare.

ziadam ghashang nist, ama az un namaye zeshte botuni behtare ke?

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ma ke tavagho nadarim ina ye varzeshgahe normal dar saate leage 3ye urupai besazan. ama ino mishe tavagho dasht ke aghalan namaye botuniye varzeshgaho bepushunan.

ye rangi bezanan, ye charta shishe kar bezaran, dige ashghaltarin keshvarhaye donayaham fahmidan ke ba aluminium, metal, shishe ye namaye emroozi va modern mishe jelve dad.

namaye biroono mitunestan mesle inja dorost konan, na kari dare, da sakhte, na architect mikhad, na kharji dare.

ziadam ghashang nist, ama az un namaye zeshte botuni behtare ke?

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this is not a complex in Europe and 3rd league ,this is one of the top college stadium in us as you see full capacity for a college game. But the view of the outside Ahvaz stadium is too ugly may be they didn't have time or money to finish it God knows

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this is not a complex in Europe and 3rd league ,this is one of the top college stadium in us as you see full capacity for a college game. But the view of the outside Ahvaz stadium is too ugly may be they didn't have time or money to finish it God knows
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