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Old March 15th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #261
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There's one slight problem affecting PER in becoming major HUB for flights from Australia to Europe, Africa etc... PER actually has 2 separated Terminals, one for International ops and the other for Domestic ops (I don't know who would even come up with this idea but its very common in Australia ) pax from the rest of Australia would have to transit and travel to the international terminal which is a major put off, wasting time, whereas they can seamlessly walk to their gate in SIN, KUL, HKG or DXB, and the time saved is not that much of a difference for east coast passengers. Pax will also have to clear immigration and Security a 2nd time, whereas they don't have to

Pax from MEL & SYD have plenty of options to travel 1 stop from many different airlines with better facilities than PER, but if everything above is eliminated PER may have a chance to become a sort of HUB.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #262
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There's one slight problem affecting PER in becoming major HUB for flights from Australia to Europe, Africa etc... PER actually has 2 separated Terminals, one for International ops and the other for Domestic ops (I don't know who would even come up with this idea but its very common in Australia ) pax from the rest of Australia would have to transit and travel to the international terminal which is a major put off, wasting time, whereas they can seamlessly walk to their gate in SIN, KUL, HKG or DXB, and the time saved is not that much of a difference for east coast passengers. Pax will also have to clear immigration and Security a 2nd time, whereas they don't have to

Pax from MEL & SYD have plenty of options to travel 1 stop from many different airlines with better facilities than PER, but if everything above is eliminated PER may have a chance to become a sort of HUB.
As i said, Perth needs a proper airport, not the one it has now. It cant hub without such a thing.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #263
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Yeah, I'm surprised a longer hop aircraft like an A380 couldn't assemble pax from Syd, Mel, Bne and Adl on smaller planes and hub them and then deliver to Europe and Middle East destinations. Great hubbing opportunity for Perth.

Would require:

-proper airport
-low cost staffing to compete with Dubai and Singapore
-Something to actually do in Perth during stopovers. No, the Burswood Casino or a trip on the boat to Rotto don't count.
Add to your list a cashed up Perth based international airline bent on building a hub there. If it wasn't for Emirates Dubai wouldn't be a hug either and DXB is in a far better geographic location for hubbing.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #264
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There's one slight problem affecting PER in becoming major HUB for flights from Australia to Europe, Africa etc... PER actually has 2 separated Terminals, one for International ops and the other for Domestic ops (I don't know who would even come up with this idea but its very common in Australia ) pax from the rest of Australia would have to transit and travel to the international terminal which is a major put off, wasting time, whereas they can seamlessly walk to their gate in SIN, KUL, HKG or DXB, and the time saved is not that much of a difference for east coast passengers. Pax will also have to clear immigration and Security a 2nd time, whereas they don't have to

Pax from MEL & SYD have plenty of options to travel 1 stop from many different airlines with better facilities than PER, but if everything above is eliminated PER may have a chance to become a sort of HUB.
The plan for PER involves merging the international and domestic terminals.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 12:38 AM   #265
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There's one slight problem affecting PER in becoming major HUB for flights from Australia to Europe, Africa etc... PER actually has 2 separated Terminals, one for International ops and the other for Domestic ops (I don't know who would even come up with this idea but its very common in Australia ) pax from the rest of Australia would have to transit and travel to the international terminal which is a major put off, wasting time, whereas they can seamlessly walk to their gate in SIN, KUL, HKG or DXB, and the time saved is not that much of a difference for east coast passengers. Pax will also have to clear immigration and Security a 2nd time, whereas they don't have to

Pax from MEL & SYD have plenty of options to travel 1 stop from many different airlines with better facilities than PER, but if everything above is eliminated PER may have a chance to become a sort of HUB.
That's the whole point we are trying to make. Geographically Perth could be a hub for international flights out of Australia (like LA is for flights to Asia from the US) but the poor planning of the airport makes it impossible.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #266
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Qantas will stay on the western side only VA will move over to the new combined terminal once is completed. As QF own their's and will gain extra space when VA move out so there is little incentive for QF too move at all. Plus they will face increased charges moving to WAC's terminal.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #267
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Qantas will stay on the western side only VA will move over to the new combined terminal once is completed. As QF own their's and will gain extra space when VA move out so there is little incentive for QF too move at all. Plus they will face increased charges moving to WAC's terminal.
Qantas won't expand from the Domestic side where VA is, apparently that space has already been taken.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #268
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It would be a hell of a lot easier for VA passengers to connect to international flights, I would of though QANTAS might of wanted in on that part of the deal, considering the terminals are so far apart, a smart traveler would realize this and pick the airline with the easier connection option.
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Qantas won't expand from the Domestic side where VA is, apparently that space has already been taken.
So who will be taking on Virgin's domestic terminal then? Cant be skywest as they move over to Intl too.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #270
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I believe Qantas is taking both terminals.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #271
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That's the whole point we are trying to make. Geographically Perth could be a hub for international flights out of Australia (like LA is for flights to Asia from the US) but the poor planning of the airport makes it impossible.
Geography Perth isn't an ideal hub, the ideal place is somewhere a few hours north west of Perth, like Singapore, KL, Bangkok etc.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #272
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It would be a hell of a lot easier for VA passengers to connect to international flights, I would of though QANTAS might of wanted in on that part of the deal, considering the terminals are so far apart, a smart traveler would realize this and pick the airline with the easier connection option.
It's not inconceivable that Qantas could one day relocate all their services and other Oneworld partner services to the current terminal (obvious expansion/changes would be needed). It would not be unlike how Sydney Airport plans to reorganise in coming years with all Qantas/Jetstar/Oneworld services from current Domestic terminals and Virgin/All others from the existing International.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #273
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Stated long term plans is for all the carriers to be based around the current International Terminal. This is long term of course so at least 10-15 years down the road.

This includes Qantas.
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Old March 19th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #274
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Geography Perth isn't an ideal hub, the ideal place is somewhere a few hours north west of Perth, like Singapore, KL, Bangkok etc.
Geographically Perth is ideally placed regarding proximity to Asia in comparison to say Melbourne and Sydney. However compared to Singapore then no way but the other two aforementioned sisters aern't ideally located either.

Also Australian airports are not excactly known for providing anything inside their terminals even Sydney. But yeah it needs to be revamped in the same way as Tulla not to mentioned expanded if we want to make in roads on the eastern cities.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #275
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Skies open up-Etihad to Perth in November. So 3 mid east airlines in the WA market

Travellers can look forward to even more competitive international airfares and travel options from WA with existing airlines increasing services and others about to launch services.

This week Singapore Airlines told the travel industry that from October 28 it would increase flights from Perth to Singapore from three a day to four for the northern winter until March 30, 2013

Cathay Pacific has confirmed its trial of 10 flights a week - up from seven - from Perth to Hong Kong is now permanent.

Qatar Airways will launch a three-times-weekly service from July, and in the wings is another Middle East giant, Etihad Airways, which will probably start services from Perth in November.

An Etihad spokesman said: "We have evaluated a number of Australian destinations and monitor these closely to ensure commencement of operations suits the market and our fleet deliveries."

Etihad has forged a strong alliance with Virgin Australia and a codeshare flight from Perth to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates is considered a certainty.

The entry of Qatar and possibly Etihad will open up a host of new one-stop options for Perth travellers.

As well as mainstream destinations such as London and Paris, Qatar operates to cities such as Stuttgart, Montreal, Sofia, Oslo, Benghazi, Washington DC, Chicago, Budapest, Brussels and Bucharest.

By the end of this year Qatar plans to fly to more than 120 destinations with 119 planes. Qatar is one of the world's fastest-growing airlines and will move to daily flights from Perth from September using Boeing 777s.

According to the Sydney- based Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation, international airlines are showing signs of lower passenger numbers and are moving capacity to tap buoyant markets such as resource-rich WA.

"Airfares are now declining marginally," CAPA says in a new report.

Airlines are also offering more travel class options.

Cathay Pacific has recently rolled out a new more private business class and a premium economy class. Both are being fast-tracked on Australian services and all planes are expected to be fitted by early next year.

According to airline sources, Perth passengers will be able to enjoy premium economy by mid-year on several flights a week to Hong Kong.

The additional three services - from seven to 10 - give excellent connections to North American destinations of Los Angeles, San Francisco and Vancouver.

Industry sources suggest the airline will opt for double- daily flights to Hong Kong by year's end.

Singapore Airlines, which has just celebrated its 45th year of services to Perth, will be the leading airline on the Singapore-to-Perth route with the additional daily service. It was announced on Wednesday that from June 1, travellers flying on to London on any of the airline's three daily services will do so on an Airbus A380 super jumbo.

Last year, 932,000 passengers flew between Singapore and Perth, making it Perth's number one international route and Australia's sixth busiest.
The eighth busiest from Asia is the Perth-Bali route with 770,000 passengers.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #276
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They so badly need to get Perthshire new airport going
We are getting a few international carriers coming in
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #277
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Only last week Etihad CEO stated PER would come on line in 2 years not this November so believe Hogan or CAPA,I know who i would believe.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 03:36 PM   #278
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I haven't been to Perth in 10 years. The last time I went through the airport was when I left Perth in 2002.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #279
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Judging by your contribution to this thread, perth has been better for it.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #280
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By the way what is the cheap public transport that I can take to travel from international terminal to city center?
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