Phnom Penh | Chroy Changvar Bridge 2 | Tonle Sap River Bridge | Cambodia-China friendship bridge | 719m | NH6A | U/C

[kvaaa]

Originally Posted by Asian

Corruption exists everywhere in the world. Nothing is wrong talking about it, but we should have to deal with it everyday to minimize the impact on the whole nation.

saying and assuming are not the same as questioning, which requires answers. If we have nothing to hide, answering the question is a piece of cake. Cambodians should learn to question everything that officials do to keep them honest. If they are, they come out clean talking about it.

What do you mean by saying "more careful with what you say or assume"? What is it wrong with what I asked? I asked. If officials are honest and not corrupted, then comes out and answer - All the money goes to the building of bridge. It is free speech. People can ask and answer.

"Not everything involves corruption in Cambodia" means that you admit there is corruption in Cambodia. Nothing is wrong with that.

There is corruption where, including your country. Chinese is building the bridge with Chinese money. No "under the table" dealing like you assume or worst yet accuse. Let me put it nicely, get the facts before you open your big mouth!!!! If you want to help Cambodia get better, go to Cambodia and help eliminate corruption by bringing the corrupt officials to justice. STOP ACCUSING ANYONE FROM THE DISTANCE. IT DOES NOTHING!!!

[Asian]

Originally Posted by kvaaa

There is corruption where, including your country. Chinese is building the bridge with Chinese money. No "under the table" dealing like you assume or worst yet accuse. Let me put it nicely, get the facts before you open your big mouth!!!! If you want to help Cambodia get better, go to Cambodia and help eliminate corruption by bringing the corrupt officials to justice. STOP ACCUSING ANYONE FROM THE DISTANCE. IT DOES NOTHING!!!

That is what I said, and I say it again. Corruption does exist everywhere in the world.

The Chinese is building the bridge with Chinese money, but Cambodians have to pay that money back with small interest. If I am Cambodian, I have a right to question if the money is spent properly. There is nothing wrong with that. If the officials don't want to answer that, it is their rights not to do so. That means they have something to hide. If they are smart, they should come out and answer. Honest or not, it is what people want to hear.

I never assume or accuse anything, but question if it is true. If it is not, you come out and say so, and the problem is clear. Move on to the next question.

I don't know the facts. That was why I asked. If you are not working for the government of Cambodia dealing with this matter, you don't know the facts either. You may be 50% right, but others may be 50% right as well. Well, the way you debate sounds like you "were" the big mouth piece of the government. My good advise to you is that when you debating, you should not look down on your opponents, no matter where they are from and whatever they are, and should cool and collect and don't let your anger get in to you. Your PM is a bad example.

You know what, I did go to Cambodia and try to help. But, I did not have enough money to bribe people to get a position that I can help "eliminate corruption by bringing the corrupt officials to justice." I need at least $100,000 US to buy the position. So, I worked as small potato and no one listened to what I said because they were all, including my childhood friends, corrupted in that department. Without money and big connection, all I got was being used in doing paper work, while others were making money under the table. I saw it my self. An application form without a $5US attached will sit at the front desk people forever and never get a chance to get the signature of the boss. I had enough and I quit. By the way, I did not take government salary, but gave it to my personal driver there (a poor guy).

By the way, the more people talk about corruption, the more officials are aware of that. So, it does something to help Cambodia. Unlike you, I see both sides of the wall, not just hear what the government wants you to hear.

[Asian]

Originally Posted by mrfusion

whatever is China's secret agenda, the point is it help accelerate growth of Cambodia. As Cambodia move ahead, the relationship between China and Cambodia will increase trade, etc, it benefit both countries.

the construction also brings heaps of local employments, again, benefit Cambodia, it also bring experience to the local, so allow it to manage more major construction later.

I think the benefit will be heaps more then the risk.

I totally agree with. All I say is that the money is a soft loan. Cambodians has to pay back.

[Asian]

Originally Posted by kvaaa

It is a Third World country!! Don't expect perfection!! Take what we can get and run with it!!

That is what you want Cambodia to be - a third world country forever? You can take it, but you can't run with it. You have to pay back. Well, maybe not you, but the next generation of you will have to pay back.

Anyway, there is no point to debate with you here. Let's go back to the topic.

[SeeMacau]

You may not have to pay back, but let's see what happen.

Go back to the topic.

[kimmy]

I wonder what the new transport arrangements look like when the second finished. The Japanese bridge should be repair and redesign for one way.

[mrfusion]

Originally Posted by kimmy

I wonder what the new transport arrangements look like when the second finished. The Japanese bridge should be repair and redesign for one way.

It is, the Japanese is one way to Chroy Chang var, and the new one for coming back.

[Asian]

Originally Posted by mrfusion

It is, the Japanese is one way to Chroy Chang var, and the new one for coming back.

If you do it carefully, the old one can be made into three lands outbound.

[Choober]

Originally Posted by Asian

If you do it carefully, the old one can be made into three lands outbound.

Yeah, and yu can bet some people will still drive in the other direction!

[mrfusion]

Originally Posted by Choober

Yeah, and yu can bet some people will still drive in the other direction!

that doesn't seems ot be a common occurance on the other twin bridge.

[SeeMacau]

Workers are seen constructing the new 2nd Chroy Changvar bridge which is supported by the Chinese government, in Phnom Penh March 28, 2012. China's presence in the Cambodian capital Phnom Penh is obvious. The city skyline is dotted by Chinese-funded projects. But the full extent of Beijing's influence here will be tested when President Hu Jintao visits this week ahead of a regional summit. Picture taken March 28, 2012.

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[AsianDragons]

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[kvaaa]

Someone please share the progress of this project.
Thanks.

[sandaltan]

When I went by today I noticed that they were removing concrete from the center pillars in the water. Ìt makes me think there was a mistake but I could be wrong. 10 workers were jack-hammering concrete out of the pillars and then a crane was dumping it into the river. Whether or not there are delays, it's taking forever to get these pillars built!! Pictures here:

http://constructingcambodia.wordpres...orward-3-back/