New York City Census & Demographics Thread

[desertpunk]

NY Times

Population Growth in New York City Is Outpacing 2010 Census, 2011 Estimates Show


http://www.jaredplatt.com/2010/10/28...new-york-city/

By SAM ROBERTS
Published: April 5, 2012

New York City gained nearly 70,000 residents in the 15 months ended July 1, 2011, almost matching the growth of the 1990s, when an influx of foreigners set annual records, according to census estimates released on Wednesday. The apparent population rebound resulted from a combination of continued immigration and higher birthrates among the newcomers, along with fewer New Yorkers leaving the city.

The estimates also appeared to indicate faster growth than had been suggested by the 2010 census, which recorded gains of only 175,000 for the entire decade and a decline from 2009 population estimates. City officials insisted that the 2010 figures undercounted about 50,000 people in Brooklyn and Queens, but their challenge was rejected last week. “We are pleased that the Census Bureau has begun to recognize this growth, but we continue to believe the real population is over 8.3 million based on our demographers’ scientific work and the historic track record of undercount among hard-to-enumerate populations in big cities,” said Joseph J. Salvo, director of the population division in the city’s Planning Department.

In the estimates by the Census Bureau for July 1, 2011, the biggest gains were recorded in Brooklyn and Queens. Brooklyn had gained nearly 28,000 people since April 1, 2010, and Queens had gained more than 17,000. Those gains, combined with increases in every other borough, boosted the city’s population by 69,777, to 8,244,910. Even the population of the Bronx grew at a faster rate than did the populations of Nassau or Suffolk Counties. Brooklyn was the fastest-growing borough. The city’s gains accounted for 80 percent of the state’s growth. Brooklyn, which is home to large numbers of Hispanic and Asian immigrants as well as Hasidic Jews, recorded the highest rate of natural increase, or births over deaths, in the state. The Bronx was second. Queens registered the highest percentage increase in foreign-born residents.

The city gained more people than the counties that include Dallas, Miami and San Diego in the Sun Belt, and nearly as many as Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix and has often been ranked as the fastest-growing county in the United States. The one-year gain of nearly 60,000 people, from July 1, 2010, to July 1, 2011, was higher than most annual estimates in the 2000s, and higher than the average annual increase of about 17,000 in the previous decade, comparing the 2000 and 2010 censuses.

In every borough, more people left for other parts of the country than moved in, and a similar pattern was recorded in the counties that surround New York City. The Bronx recorded the biggest loss through migration (more people leaving than moving in) over all. Manhattan was the only borough that showed a gain from combined domestic and international migration. The overall population increase was due largely to higher birthrates.

Over all, the population of the New York metropolitan area increased by nearly 119,000. The area ranked fourth in gains nationally, behind Dallas, Houston and Washington, and ahead of Los Angeles and Miami. “Based upon this new round of estimates, it appears that New York City has returned to quite robust growth,” said Andrew A. Beveridge, a sociologist at Queens College. “The demographic effects of the financial crisis may be starting to wane.”

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Here's the borough breakdown:

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf...opulation.html


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[Dralcoffin]

I would love for the 2011 estimate's rate of growth to continue and be borne out by the 2020 Census. At the current rate, New York would hit 10 million easily within thirty years, and I would love to see that happen. (If much of the outer boroughs keep densifying, 10 million is quite doable.)

Also, very interesting that Staten Island is the slowest growing borough...

[urbanaturalist]

I think 10 million is possible....I agree the outer boroughs will definitely have to densify but there are also development strategies like air rights over rail yards/highways as a method to "create" new land.

I think Staten Island could help in the effort if 5 main things happen with its transportation system.....which the ways things are looking probably won't be till 2112 :shrug:........

1) a simple easy MTA subway connection from Brooklyn to Staten Island
2) Make the current Staten Island Rail, MTA compatible for subway cars...
3) Build the Western Shore and Northern Shore rail lines as MTA compatible
4) a PATH or NJ light rail connection across or under the Bayonne Bridge to link with a station near the bridge in Staten Island

Distant 5) Make the other two bridges from New Jersey connected to Staten Island with a connection for light rail into Staten Island eventually.....

I would also add as an aside that if a tunnel was built from Brooklyn to Staten Island that it would be pedestrian and bike accessible, 24 hours a day.......with obviously lights and sliding sidewalks.....

^ A combination of those things along with proper dense vertical development that DOESN'T destroy the single family home characteristics of that makeup most of SI will help the borough catch up to its sisters in population so it can have a million residents too.....less that 500K to go :shrug:

[desertpunk]

NTC growth 2000-2010:


http://globalperipheries.wordpress.c...nge-us-cities/

[desertpunk]

NYC's Population in 2011 Estimated At 8,244,910

~ Up from 8,175,133 in 2010. Growth rate was .85% for the year. Nearly 70,000 new residents added, reversing a slowdown seen in the 2010 census.

image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/victoriabrush/

[JD47]

Where do all these people fit? The thing that surprises me the most is that Manhattan has the tallest buildings, but Brooklyn has more people living there. If the appartment blocks are taller in Manhattan, then how come there are more people living in Brooklyn?

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by JD47

Where do all these people fit? The thing that surprises me the most is that Manhattan has the tallest buildings, but Brooklyn has more people living there. If the appartment blocks are taller in Manhattan, then how come there are more people living in Brooklyn?

Manhattan is full of pied-a-terres owned by wealthy people who do not claim residency in NY State (for tax reasons) so those apartments are either empty much of the time or filled with non-residents. Brooklyn residents predominately are NYS residents and as such, are counted in the NYC census.

The population of Manhattan peaked in 1910 at 2,331,542.

[mintgum84]

Census data shows whites are now a minority in NYC.

Oh well

[JD47]

Originally Posted by desertpunk

Manhattan is full of pied-a-terres owned by wealthy people who do not claim residency in NY State (for tax reasons) so those apartments are either empty much of the time or filled with non-residents. Brooklyn residents predominately are NYS residents and as such, are counted in the NYC census.

The population of Manhattan peaked in 1910 at 2,331,542.

Alright. Cheers for that mate. Thats the sort of answer I was looking for. So if all those apartments were full and people lived in them, what would the population of Manhattan be approx?

[600West218]

Originally Posted by JD47

Where do all these people fit? The thing that surprises me the most is that Manhattan has the tallest buildings, but Brooklyn has more people living there. If the appartment blocks are taller in Manhattan, then how come there are more people living in Brooklyn?

There are a few reasons for this:

1) Brooklyn is much bigger geographically than Manhattan. About 3 times as big I believe.

2) Lots of Manhattan is commercial space rather than residential.

3) The household size in Manhattan I believe is the smallest in the United States. It is 1.5 or so. That is, a great many apartments in Manhattan are inhabited by only 1 person, or maybe 2, while a larger portion of households in Brooklyn consist of families that have more people - maybe 4 or 5.

[600West218]

Originally Posted by desertpunk

NYC's Population in 2011 Estimated At 8,244,910

~ Up from 8,175,133 in 2010. Growth rate was .85% for the year. Nearly 70,000 new residents added, reversing a slowdown seen in the 2010 census.

image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/victoriabrush/

Bogus numbers, this is just an estimate, not an actual census. I think they do these estimates based on things like people changing their drivers licenses to New York City, etc. That is fine, but that tracks people moving in, not so much people moving out. So these yearly estimates are very high and then it gets revised way down when they actually do a count.

And to the folks that are thinking NYC could get to 10 million population wise - I highly, highly doubt that. To get that you probably need lots of immigrants who pack a lot of people into one residence rather than the Yuppies who tend to be one or two to an apartment. We just had as big of immigration as we are going to get over the past decade and it didn't go up very much.

I think NYC will be steady around 8 million which is quite good as everyone else is going down.

[JD47]

Originally Posted by 600West218

And to the folks that are thinking NYC could get to 10 million population wise - I highly, highly doubt that. To get that you probably need lots of immigrants who pack a lot of people into one residence rather than the Yuppies who tend to be one or two to an apartment. We just had as big of immigration as we are going to get over the past decade and it didn't go up very much.

You need another army of Irish immigrants. I will be over soon so I will be the start of that army