Moroccan/Moorish Architecture Worldwide - Page 4

D K · November 19th, 2009, 10:03 PM

Simohamed,
Je suis en partie d'accord avec toi, il y a des styles marocains, chaque dynastie ayant développé le sien. Mais ils possèdent tous des caractéristiques, une base commune, qui font que le style marocain est ce qu'il est. Le thread Tlemçen en est la plus parfaite illustrations. Mais je maintiens ce que j'ai dit concernant la paternité du style "mauresque", tant en termes d'architecture que de localisation initiale. Tu confonds peut-être avec le style oriental, qui constitue une famille (plus large que le mauresque), qui appartient lui-même au style islamique, encore plus large. Sinon je pense qu'il ne faut pas raisonner en termes de gènes, comme te l'a dit Redalinho. Un ibérique sur 5 est d'ascendance nord-africaine, génétiquement parlant: cela en fait-il pour autant des arabes, des berbères ou des arabo-berbères?

Rabat with love 2 · November 21st, 2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by simohamed13

saalam khay rani labass wanta ki dayer? :)

lhamdoulah tana labass , merhaba bik mara tania m3ana
welcome back

Tetwani · November 21st, 2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by simohamed13

C'est les zenetes et les chleuh musulmans qui ont conquérit l'andalouie , avec tarik ibn zyad un berbere zenete de nedroma (pres de Tlemcen)
un "rifain" si tu prefere

Tu sais qu'il y a beaucoup de Zenetes au Maroc, dans le Rif
D'ailleurs le Rifain et très proche du Zenete.

On va arréter de parler de ça ici, c'est pas la bonne place.

Deco · April 9th, 2012, 06:22 AM

Catholic Church at Salvador, Bahia, Brazil

Igreja da Lapinha - built in 1770
Have a look at my thread: 82 pictures: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...256&highlight=

Outside: neogothic style (newer part)

Outside: portuguese colonial style (older part)

Inside: totally moorish
55.

57. (they told me it's written in arabic: "this is the house of god; this is door of heaven" - is it correct?)

71.

80.

81.

Unfortunatelly, it's not in portuguese, but you can see the pictures.

The church firstly was build in front of the sea, but since a long time its entrance looks to the Caaba (Mecca).
People that work there told me that a long time ago it could be a mosque!

We don't know anything about this mistery: could have been built by islamic slaves, we don't know.

flyzone · April 9th, 2012, 11:46 PM

intresting ^^ didn't know that Andalousian architecture is present in bresil

the arabic script in that picture is thuluth script wich is not an andalousian one , that's very strange !!!

it's written : "this is only the house of God , and this is the door of heaven"

Deco · April 10th, 2012, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyzone

intresting ^^ didn't know that Andalousian architecture is present in bresil

the arabic script in that picture is thuluth script wich is not an andalousian one , that's very strange !!!

it's written : "this is only the house of God , and this is the door of heaven"

Thanks, flyzone!
Have a look to see other details!

The other moorish church (this one is completely moorish - inside and outside) is at Rio de Janeiro. Take a look.

Its name is: Basílica do Imaculado Coração de Maria

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53796524@N06/4974014059/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/claudio...n/photostream/

FlavorOfAlgeria · July 26th, 2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Redalinho

Bardo (Algiers)

Dsl, c'est pas marocain du tout, comme les autres photos d'ailleurs, c'est de l'art islamique, seul deux ou trois endroits correspondent à l'art marocain aussi non le reste je vois rien qui est marocain surtout le musée Brado d'Alger construit par un prince tunisien exilé, d'inspiration ottomane la construction est pas marocaine du tout.

chinoui · July 28th, 2012, 07:59 PM

Arts islamique ou d inspiration islamique serait plus approprie pour ce top ça prête a confusion et ça peut déboussoler des gens qui ne connaissent pas l histoire

Continuer a poster j aime bcp

The-s · July 29th, 2012, 03:38 PM

^^

Je suis d'accord puisque plusieurs sites postées dans ce thread ne sont pas Moorish du tout.

zazo, · July 31st, 2012, 02:07 AM

I never saw this thread, I got it due to a recomendation, cool, but you shouldn't talk about islamic art, it would be the same than talking about christian art, so many differences and so many origins.

But I'm afraid that the main elements posted as moroccan, are not.
For example, the excellent brick work is a development of the roman Spain, with better examples in the mediaeval ages.
_The horseshoe arch is super spanish, something really typical spanish, a creation of the celtiberian culture followed during the gothic times, there are dozens of churches from the V century in this style all over the country, with nice vegetal decorations in a very baroque way, (this baroque decorations would become higher in the andalousian islamic age), the colors red and white and the double arches come from the roman aqueducts linked with the celtiberian culture.

_We must remember that the iberian population was always there, and their art followed, evoluting with their rich culture, changing from one religion to another for 200 years, in a beginning the arrian christianism and the proto-islam was almost the same in concepts until the IX century, when Islam was encripted and the differences got bigger and official, more duties for the people (in this century there are dozens of revolutions in the andalousian cities because of this changes, some of these iberian citizens cross to the old roman province of Mauretania Tingitana (actual Morocco) and refounded some of the cities.
_The work in tiles is very traditional of the south of Spain, with good examples of the roman times, and also from the byzantine area (the oriental roman empire), which had very good relations with the south of Spain in that time.
_About the lobed arches, it has an andalousian origin following the iberian-roman tradition of some roman windows found in Cordoba, used firstly in the Temple of Cordoba (in that time Islam wasn't encripted yet) some investigators say that until IX century, the old roman pagan temple remodelated into an arrian temple was at the same time the temple of the proto-islamic, really similar religions (against the roman christianism and the trinitarian precepts, more common in the central-north Spain)
But evoluted into super baroque structures in the XII century including in this time oriental traditions which arrived to Mauretania Tingitana, recently occuped by a southern culture (some governors and an army) which form today Morocco. In this time we can talk thas this oriental influences made a local type of super baroque decorations, like the domes.
_It's hard to talk about a moorish architecture, a real one, since France occupied the north of Africa and every 'islamic architecture and art' was named as moorish when the romantic culture made every exotic topic into a fashionable topic, and Africa was exotic enough to take that name into that art.
_Every element arised in Spain following the ancient cultures with some influences but was exported all over the mediterranean and evoluted with it in each place, the same happened with the byzantian architecture.

So, some of the buildings should be called byzantian architecture in the world, and others, andalousian architecture in the world. 'Moorish architecture has been introduced by films and other things because of the exotic factor' In the schools of architecture be sure that the moorish archtiecture as a line doesn't exist.
This could be explained due to the late emergence of an urban culture ( which uses to create the science, culture and art), actually the only moroccan big city which existed in that time, was Tanger, because Tetuan was established as a city in XIV century on a small village, Fez in the IX century, Marrakech founded in the XI century, Rabat in the XII century on the ruins of a roman campament and fortification and Casablanca was a village around the XV century, abandoned during 300 years and created from zero in the XVIII century almost the XIX century.
So, it's hard for an historian and an architect to think that a moorish architecture could have been created in an area without an urban culture.

This is something to think about, don't you think so?

The-s · August 26th, 2012, 03:45 PM

The-s · November 1st, 2012, 03:43 PM

Mesquite, Nevada

teystoon · November 2nd, 2012, 06:04 AM

^^ c'est l'hotel, resort, casino..etc etc Casablanca !!

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Casablanca Golf Club by TravelNevada, on Flickr

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Casablanca Resort- Mesquite Nevada by "Fast" Eddie Maloney, on Flickr

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Casablanca Resort-Mesquite Nevada by "Fast" Eddie Maloney, on Flickr

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CasaBlanca 2 by Marilyn M, on Flickr

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CasaBlanca 3 by Marilyn M, on Flickr

***Gadiri*** · November 2nd, 2012, 04:39 PM

Hotel Casablanca, avec la couleur ocre de Marrakech et les tuiles vertes de Fes. :crazy:

The-s · November 4th, 2012, 12:28 AM

Une beauté Architecturale !

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Plaza de America. Sevilla. Tercera version. par Zú Sánchez, sur Flickr

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Sevilla, Avenida de la Constitución / Avenida de la Constitucion, house in the old part of town in the mudejar style, Sevilla, Andalucia, Spain par dleiva, sur Flickr

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Fachada Ciudad de Londres Sevilla par tetegil, sur Flickr

The-s · November 4th, 2012, 12:36 AM

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Railway Station – Estación de Toledo HDR par marcp_dmoz, sur Flickr

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fachada a la ciudad (P1040370) par cmramirezl, sur Flickr

The-s · November 4th, 2012, 12:47 AM

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Fonte Mourisca par Alexander Marc Eckert, sur Flickr

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Iluminação Natal - Sintra v4.0 par Paulo_Freire, sur Flickr

ElMarrakchi · November 4th, 2012, 01:07 AM

Amazing!

The-s · November 4th, 2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ElMarrakchi

Amazing!

Indeed.

__________________

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Mudejar Courtyard, Mondragon Palace, Ronda par Aidan McRae Thomson, sur Flickr

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Mondragon Palace Garden, Ronda par Aidan McRae Thomson, sur Flickr

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Arab Baths, Ronda par Aidan McRae Thomson, sur Flickr

The-s · November 4th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Maroc in Seville´92 par Zú Sánchez, sur Flickr

April 9th, 2012, 06:22 AM	#64
Deco Soteropolitano Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: São Salvador - Bahia Posts: 5,923 Likes (Received): 438	Catholic Church at Salvador, Bahia, Brazil Igreja da Lapinha - built in 1770 Have a look at my thread: 82 pictures: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...256&highlight= Outside: neogothic style (newer part) Outside: portuguese colonial style (older part) Inside: totally moorish 55. 57. (they told me it's written in arabic: "this is the house of god; this is door of heaven" - is it correct?) 71. 80. 81. Unfortunatelly, it's not in portuguese, but you can see the pictures. The church firstly was build in front of the sea, but since a long time its entrance looks to the Caaba (Mecca). People that work there told me that a long time ago it could be a mosque! We don't know anything about this mistery: could have been built by islamic slaves, we don't know. __________________ 1) Igreja da Lapinha: a igreja que parece uma mesquita: arquitetura neomourisca / Rare church at Brazil 2) Galeria - Salvador das Antigas - colabore com fotos, vídeos e relatos sobre a velha Salvador / Old Bahia pictures 3) Bahia de Todos os Santos - Ilhas do Medo e dos Frades e Salvador 4) A Brazilian in INDIA - algumas fotos de minha viagem para a Índia 5) Candeias (Bahia) - Região Metropolitana de Salvador - 38 fotos Last edited by Deco; April 9th, 2012 at 11:52 PM.

April 9th, 2012, 11:46 PM	#65
flyzone Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tineggi the observatory city Posts: 883 Likes (Received): 66	intresting ^^ didn't know that Andalousian architecture is present in bresil the arabic script in that picture is thuluth script wich is not an andalousian one , that's very strange !!! it's written : "this is only the house of God , and this is the door of heaven" __________________ Taǧǧest , tayyut , ussan iziraren a yurawen n weẒru di taddart inzermen d wa wzmz nwen yudarawem atenyem nedhem mani texsem iy mch7a Ɣatewyarem qesset ichewwufa,qesset izeǧǧifen ** kenniw iwdan n taǧǧest, tayyut ik tennumem

July 31st, 2012, 02:07 AM	#70
zazo, Zeit Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: München Posts: 405 Likes (Received): 0	I never saw this thread, I got it due to a recomendation, cool, but you shouldn't talk about islamic art, it would be the same than talking about christian art, so many differences and so many origins. But I'm afraid that the main elements posted as moroccan, are not. For example, the excellent brick work is a development of the roman Spain, with better examples in the mediaeval ages. _The horseshoe arch is super spanish, something really typical spanish, a creation of the celtiberian culture followed during the gothic times, there are dozens of churches from the V century in this style all over the country, with nice vegetal decorations in a very baroque way, (this baroque decorations would become higher in the andalousian islamic age), the colors red and white and the double arches come from the roman aqueducts linked with the celtiberian culture. _We must remember that the iberian population was always there, and their art followed, evoluting with their rich culture, changing from one religion to another for 200 years, in a beginning the arrian christianism and the proto-islam was almost the same in concepts until the IX century, when Islam was encripted and the differences got bigger and official, more duties for the people (in this century there are dozens of revolutions in the andalousian cities because of this changes, some of these iberian citizens cross to the old roman province of Mauretania Tingitana (actual Morocco) and refounded some of the cities. _The work in tiles is very traditional of the south of Spain, with good examples of the roman times, and also from the byzantine area (the oriental roman empire), which had very good relations with the south of Spain in that time. _About the lobed arches, it has an andalousian origin following the iberian-roman tradition of some roman windows found in Cordoba, used firstly in the Temple of Cordoba (in that time Islam wasn't encripted yet) some investigators say that until IX century, the old roman pagan temple remodelated into an arrian temple was at the same time the temple of the proto-islamic, really similar religions (against the roman christianism and the trinitarian precepts, more common in the central-north Spain) But evoluted into super baroque structures in the XII century including in this time oriental traditions which arrived to Mauretania Tingitana, recently occuped by a southern culture (some governors and an army) which form today Morocco. In this time we can talk thas this oriental influences made a local type of super baroque decorations, like the domes. _It's hard to talk about a moorish architecture, a real one, since France occupied the north of Africa and every 'islamic architecture and art' was named as moorish when the romantic culture made every exotic topic into a fashionable topic, and Africa was exotic enough to take that name into that art. _Every element arised in Spain following the ancient cultures with some influences but was exported all over the mediterranean and evoluted with it in each place, the same happened with the byzantian architecture. So, some of the buildings should be called byzantian architecture in the world, and others, andalousian architecture in the world. 'Moorish architecture has been introduced by films and other things because of the exotic factor' In the schools of architecture be sure that the moorish archtiecture as a line doesn't exist. This could be explained due to the late emergence of an urban culture ( which uses to create the science, culture and art), actually the only moroccan big city which existed in that time, was Tanger, because Tetuan was established as a city in XIV century on a small village, Fez in the IX century, Marrakech founded in the XI century, Rabat in the XII century on the ruins of a roman campament and fortification and Casablanca was a village around the XV century, abandoned during 300 years and created from zero in the XVIII century almost the XIX century. So, it's hard for an historian and an architect to think that a moorish architecture could have been created in an area without an urban culture. This is something to think about, don't you think so? __________________ .................................................................................. Last edited by zazo,; July 31st, 2012 at 02:18 AM.

August 26th, 2012, 03:45 PM	#71
The-s Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,603 Likes (Received): 325	Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain

November 1st, 2012, 03:43 PM	#72
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November 19th, 2009, 10:03 PM	#61
D K Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,427 Likes (Received): 64	Simohamed, Je suis en partie d'accord avec toi, il y a des styles marocains, chaque dynastie ayant développé le sien. Mais ils possèdent tous des caractéristiques, une base commune, qui font que le style marocain est ce qu'il est. Le thread Tlemçen en est la plus parfaite illustrations. Mais je maintiens ce que j'ai dit concernant la paternité du style "mauresque", tant en termes d'architecture que de localisation initiale. Tu confonds peut-être avec le style oriental, qui constitue une famille (plus large que le mauresque), qui appartient lui-même au style islamique, encore plus large. Sinon je pense qu'il ne faut pas raisonner en termes de gènes, comme te l'a dit Redalinho. Un ibérique sur 5 est d'ascendance nord-africaine, génétiquement parlant: cela en fait-il pour autant des arabes, des berbères ou des arabo-berbères?

July 28th, 2012, 07:59 PM	#68
chinoui Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 65 Likes (Received): 1	Arts islamique ou d inspiration islamique serait plus approprie pour ce top ça prête a confusion et ça peut déboussoler des gens qui ne connaissent pas l histoire Continuer a poster j aime bcp

July 29th, 2012, 03:38 PM	#69
The-s Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,603 Likes (Received): 325	^^ Je suis d'accord puisque plusieurs sites postées dans ce thread ne sont pas Moorish du tout.

November 2nd, 2012, 06:04 AM	#73
teystoon Live and Let Live !! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orlando (Fez) Posts: 3,747 Likes (Received): 12	^^ c'est l'hotel, resort, casino..etc etc Casablanca !! image hosted on flickr Casablanca Golf Club by TravelNevada, on Flickr image hosted on flickr Casablanca Resort- Mesquite Nevada by "Fast" Eddie Maloney, on Flickr image hosted on flickr Casablanca Resort-Mesquite Nevada by "Fast" Eddie Maloney, on Flickr image hosted on flickr CasaBlanca 2 by Marilyn M, on Flickr image hosted on flickr CasaBlanca 3 by Marilyn M, on Flickr __________________ ☆ Morocco in Walt Disney World ☆ , ☆ Morocco in Busch Gardens ☆ , Orlando \| USA , Fez \| Morocco , New York City \| USA .. by TEYStooN MOROCCO

November 2nd, 2012, 04:39 PM	#74
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November 4th, 2012, 12:28 AM	#75
The-s Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,603 Likes (Received): 325	Seville, spain Une beauté Architecturale ! image hosted on flickr Plaza de America. Sevilla. Tercera version. par Zú Sánchez, sur Flickr image hosted on flickr Sevilla, Avenida de la Constitución / Avenida de la Constitucion, house in the old part of town in the mudejar style, Sevilla, Andalucia, Spain par dleiva, sur Flickr image hosted on flickr Fachada Ciudad de Londres Sevilla par tetegil, sur Flickr Last edited by The-s; November 4th, 2012 at 12:38 AM.

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November 4th, 2012, 01:07 AM	#78
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