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Old April 13th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #161
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It would cost a ton of money to convert it. Subways run with a third rail, LRT runs with a pantograph. There simply isn't enough space in the tunnel to run a pantograph.
TTC did look at this very quickly. I believe they concluded the bored tunnels did have enough space but the cut & cover areas such as crossovers at stations did not.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #162
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It would cost a ton of money to convert it. Subways run with a third rail, LRT runs with a pantograph. There simply isn't enough space in the tunnel to run a pantograph. This means that the tunnels would have to be made bigger, without ruining the structural integrity of it, which likely means digging up the entire Sheppard Ave again, and repaving everything above again like for the original cut and cover construction of the subway line. It would be prohibitively expensive to do this.
There should be enough space to run pans in the tunnels. Like rbt said, the problems are at the crossovers which can probably be solved by lowering the trackbed.
Barcelona converted all their 3rd rail metro lines to pantograph, so it might be worth some research to see how they did it.
Of course, it begs the question: Is it really worth it to eliminate one transfer?
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Old April 13th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #163
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that there would actually be enough space in the subway comvert it to LRT. plus, you could also just buy some trains that are run on both pantograph and third rail like in boston, and lower the stations.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #164
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Thanks for the replies. It's a shame that it was ever built as a subway, or rather a stubway. It would be perfect as LRT from Yonge to Scarborough Town Centre and beyond.

Too bad this can't be corrected without it costing a fortune because it makes much more sense to have it run as the same line with the same cars for the whole distance.

I wouldn't even mind if it were subway from Yonge to Scarborough Town Centre (if the money could be found to fund it), because ridership would definitely increase if it ran that distance. Unfortunately, this would only put more pressure on the Yonge line, which stresses the need for a DRL, but that's another topic.

And if a conversion were to be done (or have it run as subway the whole way), now would be the time to do it. We need to have foresight and do what's right for the long haul. It really is half-assed to have it run as a subway for a few stops, only to have it switch to LRT the rest of the way. Yes, a conversion would be costly and time-consuming, but perhaps a little short-term pain for long-term gain is what's needed.

You can argue it's only one transfer point, but transfers add time to a journey, and in this case, I feel it's an unnecessary transfer point; you aren't even changing direction. It is a bit of a joke, but nobody is laughing.

I know the platforms at the transfer point are supposed to be at the same level and butt up against each other, making for a short walk (which is at least better than the current Kennedy station subway/RT model), but there's still the issue of timing. I doubt the subway or LRT will be there waiting for you each time you disembark the other.

Not to mention, running two different types of vehicles on what is essentially the same line. It makes much more sense for many reasons to either have it as subway the whole way or LRT the whole way, not half and half. However, money doesn't grow on trees, and we are left with this. I just wish we had more vision and did a better job planning and executing transit for this city.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #165
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they could convert it when they do the western expansion 15 years from now, but we'll see. it might not turn out to be that bad of a transfer if the LRT stops at the same level as the subway. exit the LRT, walk across the platform, and hop on the subway. it would be a lot easier than the current SRT transfer, which involves walking down 3 flights of stairs.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #166
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The transfer between the Spadina streetcar and the Bloor subway is probably the best indication of what to expect. Not a bad transfer at all. You never have to wait more than 3-4 minutes. You're inside. And just a short escalator ride and you're right where you need to be.
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