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alexjonlin · April 14th, 2012, 02:37 AM

I'm living in Berkeley right now, and I just love how everyone who has lived in the Bay Area for a long time complains incessantly about their transit systems, especially the Muni, when it's arguably the best transit system west of the Mississippi.

tmaxxfreak11 · April 14th, 2012, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alexjonlin

I'm living in Berkeley right now, and I just love how everyone who has lived in the Bay Area for a long time complains incessantly about their transit systems, especially the Muni, when it's arguably the best transit system west of the Mississippi.

Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, but that's not really impressive. The bay area is still behind Philadelphia, Boston, NYC, and DC.

meaoh · April 14th, 2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tmaxxfreak11

Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, but that's not really impressive. The bay area is still behind Philadelphia, Boston, NYC, and DC.

And the fact that we're so far behind the Bay Area just makes it even sadder.

SteveM · April 17th, 2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by meaoh

And the fact that we're so far behind the Bay Area just makes it even sadder.

Well, in NYC everybody complains about the subway, even though it's clearly the most complete transit system in the US.

That said, it still deserves to be complained about.

CrazyAboutCities · April 17th, 2012, 06:48 PM

Only two very common complaints that I heard most about NYC subways: Not accessible for both senior citizens and people with physical challenges and very dirty that need to clean up often.

alexjonlin · April 17th, 2012, 09:21 PM

And people complain alllll the time about its reliability, especially since every weekend there are huge closures.

Capitol Hill · April 18th, 2012, 09:19 PM

I just took the Paris Metro this past week. I don't know why I was expecting new and modern, but it wasn't. And good lord was it crowded around 7 PM. I mean, Tokyo cramming in crowded. But what an easy city to get around in.

BoulderGrad · April 18th, 2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

I just took the Paris Metro this past week. I don't know why I was expecting new and modern, but it wasn't. And good lord was it crowded around 7 PM. I mean, Tokyo cramming in crowded. But what an easy city to get around in.

New York and London are the same way.

Still quite convenient, but some quite old/well worn bits and Holy Crowded

State of the Union · April 19th, 2012, 05:35 AM

NYC subway fails because there is little to no crosstown subway routes, reliability issues, and the ridiculous spacing of subway stations. The local trains are seriously nothing more than a grade separated bus. The job of the Metro system is to get you to the general area of your destination faster. Getting to that exact street/corner is the job of your feet, buses, or bike.

I much prefer newer systems like Seattle and LA. I like subways where the stations are farther apart, but each station is more unique and are built to higher quality. The Capitol Hill(Like the Beacon Hill Station) station will feel more like a community station than just some random ass station. It also means trains can run faster and more reliably.

They are expensive to build, but in the long run when the systems are built out, these will make for in-general much better systems than NYC. London I can't comment.

CityView Jim · May 12th, 2012, 05:41 PM

Looks like tunneling from Capitol Hill to Downtown may be complete (or near). Noticed on the camera today that they have removed the spoils conveyor system from the final tunnel portal.

They're getting there!

Capitol Hill · May 13th, 2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CityView Jim

Looks like tunneling from Capitol Hill to Downtown may be complete (or near). Noticed on the camera today that they have removed the spoils conveyor system from the final tunnel portal.

They're getting there!

Obe of the biggest problems in our society is spoiled conveyors!

BoulderGrad · May 13th, 2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitol Hill

Obe of the biggest problems in our society is spoiled conveyors!

Hi-oh!

Black Box · May 14th, 2012, 04:06 PM

Terrific!

CityView Jim · May 16th, 2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CityView Jim

Looks like tunneling from Capitol Hill to Downtown may be complete (or near). Noticed on the camera today that they have removed the spoils conveyor system from the final tunnel portal.

They're getting there!

Here's the official word.

http://capitolhillseattle.com/2012/0...o-capitol-hill

Of note in the article they discuss that the project is not behind, but too early to say that it's ahead. Also, they plan to develop above the tunnel next to the Paramount.

CityView Jim · May 31st, 2012, 08:42 PM

Latest 60% Design for the U-District Station (previously the Brooklyn Station). Just loving the artwork. A wall created to simulate a neighborhood skyline:

http://projects.soundtransit.org/Doc...esentation.pdf

Seasun · May 31st, 2012, 10:14 PM

Looks very good. Thanks for posting. Stating the obvious but we sure have taken an expensive, custom station design approach on our Link stations compared with other systems that are basically the same between stations. I like the approach if it means there's a higher level of design/construction quality than say the Beacon Hill station but talk about reinventing much of the "wheel" each time around. I'm a little surprised to see the cool skewed structural beams spanning the station box. Totally different design than even the UW Stadium station which has its own special structural beam detail (rotated squares or diamonds instead of standard beams = $$).
I realize we're building a 100+ year system (or hope we are) so I don't want to penny pinch but some of these design decisions are a little much. (Yes - I'm a big fan of DC's Metrorail and BART - it's been great to see how those systems started with great design and varied it as needed over decades of growth but still have a recognizable standard from what I've seen.)

BoulderGrad · May 31st, 2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CityView Jim

Latest 60% Design for the U-District Station (previously the Brooklyn Station). Just loving the artwork. A wall created to simulate a neighborhood skyline:

http://projects.soundtransit.org/Doc...esentation.pdf

Why are they able to integrate the exhaust fans into the station box here, but at Roosevelt, they end up sticking up like monoliths (Not sarcastic grumbling, I assume there actually is a good reason?). The integration into TOD for this site is awesome. Wish they could do the same up north as well.

CityView Jim · May 31st, 2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Seasun

Looks very good. Thanks for posting. Stating the obvious but we sure have taken an expensive, custom station design approach on our Link stations compared with other systems that are basically the same between stations. I like the approach if it means there's a higher level of design/construction quality than say the Beacon Hill station but talk about reinventing much of the "wheel" each time around. I'm a little surprised to see the cool skewed structural beams spanning the station box. Totally different design than even the UW Stadium station which has its own special structural beam detail (rotated squares or diamonds instead of standard beams = $$).
I realize we're building a 100+ year system (or hope we are) so I don't want to penny pinch but some of these design decisions are a little much. (Yes - I'm a big fan of DC's Metrorail and BART - it's been great to see how those systems started with great design and varied it as needed over decades of growth but still have a recognizable standard from what I've seen.)

I'm thinking there will be more standardized stations as we venture outwards from the core. Chicago is similar. Nice stations underground in the Loop. More basic plan outdoor platforms in the 'burbs. I'm thinking the same for Northgate north and Bellevue east.

CityView Jim · June 1st, 2012, 02:24 AM

Early work is starting on the pedestrian bridge over Montlake at the now named UW Station. Nice pic here:

http://projects.soundtransit.org/Doc...erial22012.pdf

CrazyAboutCities · June 1st, 2012, 06:58 AM

I'm happy with the latest designs of Brooklyn Station so far.

April 18th, 2012, 09:19 PM	#3527
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,378 Likes (Received): 156	I just took the Paris Metro this past week. I don't know why I was expecting new and modern, but it wasn't. And good lord was it crowded around 7 PM. I mean, Tokyo cramming in crowded. But what an easy city to get around in. __________________ After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF

April 19th, 2012, 05:35 AM	#3529
State of the Union Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 189 Likes (Received): 0	NYC subway fails because there is little to no crosstown subway routes, reliability issues, and the ridiculous spacing of subway stations. The local trains are seriously nothing more than a grade separated bus. The job of the Metro system is to get you to the general area of your destination faster. Getting to that exact street/corner is the job of your feet, buses, or bike. I much prefer newer systems like Seattle and LA. I like subways where the stations are farther apart, but each station is more unique and are built to higher quality. The Capitol Hill(Like the Beacon Hill Station) station will feel more like a community station than just some random ass station. It also means trains can run faster and more reliably. They are expensive to build, but in the long run when the systems are built out, these will make for in-general much better systems than NYC. London I can't comment. __________________ "BRT is a crock of shit, because it can mean any sort of improvement beyond a bus line in mixed traffic. BRT is joke, and until it's defined properly, should not even be considered." -JustinB Last edited by State of the Union; April 19th, 2012 at 05:45 AM.

May 14th, 2012, 04:06 PM	#3533
Black Box Black Box Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 903 Likes (Received): 25	Terrific! __________________ mountains water city water mountains

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April 14th, 2012, 02:37 AM	#3521
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,254 Likes (Received): 82	I'm living in Berkeley right now, and I just love how everyone who has lived in the Bay Area for a long time complains incessantly about their transit systems, especially the Muni, when it's arguably the best transit system west of the Mississippi.

April 17th, 2012, 06:48 PM	#3525
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,328 Likes (Received): 15	Only two very common complaints that I heard most about NYC subways: Not accessible for both senior citizens and people with physical challenges and very dirty that need to clean up often.

April 17th, 2012, 09:21 PM	#3526
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,254 Likes (Received): 82	And people complain alllll the time about its reliability, especially since every weekend there are huge closures.

May 12th, 2012, 05:41 PM	#3530
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,948 Likes (Received): 61	Looks like tunneling from Capitol Hill to Downtown may be complete (or near). Noticed on the camera today that they have removed the spoils conveyor system from the final tunnel portal. They're getting there!

May 31st, 2012, 08:42 PM	#3535
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,948 Likes (Received): 61	Latest 60% Design for the U-District Station (previously the Brooklyn Station). Just loving the artwork. A wall created to simulate a neighborhood skyline: http://projects.soundtransit.org/Doc...esentation.pdf

May 31st, 2012, 10:14 PM	#3536
Seasun Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,555 Likes (Received): 42	Looks very good. Thanks for posting. Stating the obvious but we sure have taken an expensive, custom station design approach on our Link stations compared with other systems that are basically the same between stations. I like the approach if it means there's a higher level of design/construction quality than say the Beacon Hill station but talk about reinventing much of the "wheel" each time around. I'm a little surprised to see the cool skewed structural beams spanning the station box. Totally different design than even the UW Stadium station which has its own special structural beam detail (rotated squares or diamonds instead of standard beams = $$). I realize we're building a 100+ year system (or hope we are) so I don't want to penny pinch but some of these design decisions are a little much. (Yes - I'm a big fan of DC's Metrorail and BART - it's been great to see how those systems started with great design and varied it as needed over decades of growth but still have a recognizable standard from what I've seen.)

June 1st, 2012, 02:24 AM	#3539
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,948 Likes (Received): 61	Early work is starting on the pedestrian bridge over Montlake at the now named UW Station. Nice pic here: http://projects.soundtransit.org/Doc...erial22012.pdf

June 1st, 2012, 06:58 AM	#3540
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,328 Likes (Received): 15	I'm happy with the latest designs of Brooklyn Station so far.