MediaCityUK / Phases 4-7 | Salford Quays | 2.7 million sqft / Mixed Use | Pro

[nq]

I think Peel's now had a hat-trick of approved extension applications (assuming the Manyoo one was granted at committee last week).

Block C | Erie Basin
Habour City | Dock 9
Manyoo | Michigan Avenue


Still intrigued by the Peel vs Batleys situation here, with the competing applications. What exactly is Batleys strategy? They look to have around 120 years lease remaining, with Peel being the freeholder.

[andysimo123]

Originally Posted by nq

I think Peel's now had a hat-trick of approved extension applications (assuming the Manyoo one was granted at committee last week).

Block C | Erie Basin
Habour City | Dock 9
Manyoo | Michigan Avenue


Still intrigued by the Peel vs Batleys situation here, with the competing applications. What exactly is Batleys strategy? They look to have around 120 years lease remaining, with Peel being the freeholder.

I'm more intrigued about the Manyoo extension. Its £200m development for a 1000 or so apartments designed for a market that existed between 2004 and 2007. Surely that needs a complete rethink.

[WingTips]

Originally Posted by andysimo123

I'm more intrigued about the Manyoo extension. Its £200m development for a 1000 or so apartments designed for a market that existed between 2004 and 2007. Surely that needs a complete rethink.

I would think they are banking on the next phase of MC being built, and of course Salford is growing anyway.

[Rational Plan]

Originally Posted by andysimo123

I'm more intrigued about the Manyoo extension. Its £200m development for a 1000 or so apartments designed for a market that existed between 2004 and 2007. Surely that needs a complete rethink.

Probably a quick way to maintain land value and maintain precedent for when they launch a new application for a cheaper scheme.

[nq]

Originally Posted by Rational Plan

Probably a quick way to maintain land value and maintain precedent for when they launch a new application for a cheaper scheme.

I think that's just it. I'm taking it as a given that this won't be brought forward in its current form, the extension originally went in to help with a sale of the site, but these apps just seem to be a mere formality when it comes to increasing time.

That said, in this new app why maintain the same/similar format & density, when you're playing with a much wider area, other than maintaining precedent. The previous design was informed by its site boundary, getting the maximum number of apartments in it. The resi is all clustered there, copying the form, when it could be scattered, or at least more separated to avoid overlooking etc.



I get the impression this whole phase 4-7 app is more to do with shaping planning policy at this current moment in time, and less about what is/isn't going to get built over the next 20 years.

[nq]

Not exactly sure what this is about, but it looks like Batleys has put an appeal in to the planning inspectorate, possibly for non-determination?

APP/U4230/A/12/2170252

11/60031/OUT

[nq]

After initiating that appeal, Batleys have resubmitted their app.

12/61569/OUT

Outline application including details of access for the erection of a mixed use development comprising 70,126sqm office space, two hotels, 1,148 sqm leisure provision, 1,149sqm retail and ancillary units, maximum of 75 apartments, medical centre together with 1,331 space multi-storey car park Re-sub of 11/60031/OUT

Batleys Ohio Avenue Salford M50 2GT

[travelred]

A notification of a planning application, which seems to be a scaled down version of this previous application? 12/61841/OUT

Any of you more clued up guys than me shed any light on the changes?

[yesevil]

Originally Posted by travelred

A notification of a planning application, which seems to be a scaled down version of this previous application? 12/61841/OUT

Any of you more clued up guys than me shed any light on the changes?

Looks like it's an outline submission just for phases 4 and 5...

http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/Ani...s/08952577.pdf

Pg 1:

SALFORD QUAYS MediaCityUK
PHASES 4-5
DESIGN & ACCESS STATEMENT
25 MAY 2012

Surprised this went under the radar! Put the app ref in the below link to view the rest of the application:

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/p...pe=Application

[WingTips]

Originally Posted by travelred

A notification of a planning application, which seems to be a scaled down version of this previous application? 12/61841/OUT

Any of you more clued up guys than me shed any light on the changes?

travelred Welcome... and thanks for your first posting, hope you enjoy the banter and ...

[nq]

Indeed looks to have gone under the radar so cheers travelred.

Looking at the area covered they've cut out Batleys, which was included under the previous app...

According to the planning inspectorate site, a pre inquiry meeting is due to be held next week for the first of the Batleys apps, with the inquiry scheduled for October, and a decision next year. But they've subsequently submitted that revised app of their own, so???

[nq]

They have tweaked it, not just resubmitted with the latter phases dropped. Block footprint is basically the same, but with the existing MSCP car park retained. Same quantity of residential, but has been spread further over the area, notice the three new green towers. Office space has been cut, check the reduced massing, all indicative of course with suggested height parameters.

Previous:


New:


Yellow: Office, Purple: Hotel, Green: Residential, Grey: MSCP

[WatcherZero]

Thats a lot of reduction in office space.
More ground floor retail added.
One of the two hotels dropped.
Three new residential towers but overall all buildings height reduced.

[nq]

2nd hotel is there, embedded in the new multi-storey, just can't see it due to them using an entirely blue roof. From another angle,



Retail is in the same spot, around the 'town square', just wasn't highlighted on that previous massing.


There's a planning statement attached to the new app where they essentially attempt to discredit Batley's prop. Peel's hand was definately forced.

1.11 The Phases 4-7 application, which is supported by an Interim Transport Assessment, prepared by TTHC, came forward sooner than Peel had originally intended. The longer term vision is to provide a fully developed masterplan for the wider area, and to identify the transport network infrastructure enhancements required to support the on-going redevelopment of Salford Quays, including the potential provision of a new highway link into the area from the Trafford side of the Manchester Ship Canal.
...
1.18 The submission of the Batley’s application therefore necessitated an earlier submission of Peel’s MediaCityUK Phases 4-7 application in order to draw awareness to the development of the wider area and to highlight the need for better integration and properly planned infrastructure.

[nq]

The Batleys appeal was dismissed, planning permission refused. Decision report here.

Formal Decision

15. Accordingly, for the reasons given above, the Secretary of State agrees with the Inspector’s recommendations. He hereby dismisses your clients’ appeal and refuses outline planning permission for the development of new offices, retail, leisure, restaurant/café, hotels with conference facilities, medical centre and associated car parking, landscaping, ancillary works and highways improvements at Ohio Avenue, Salford, Greater Manchester in accordance with application ref: 11/60031/OUT.

http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk...2&coid=2099468

[WatcherZero]

Refused for reducing office space too much from the UDP (applicant had offered to reduce office space by 25% to meet the transport concerns) and the developments significant impact on local transport (extra traffic generated would exceed highway capacity) as well as competing with Media City development, which seems a bit contradictory. Seems to be basically saying PEEL has first dibs on development in the area.