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Old April 25th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #3941
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Airlines link up with high-speed rail services
By Wang Wen (China Daily)

A Hainan Airlines Co Ltd airplane at Haikou Meilan International Airport in Hainan province. China's high-speed rail service has had a broad, adverse effect on airlines' domestic business, according to experts. [Photo/China Daily]

After two years of competing with high-speed rail lines, Chinese airlines are trying to find a mutually beneficial solution for both sides.

On Monday, Hainan Airlines Co Ltd launched a joint operating program with Yuehai Railway Co Ltd, which runs the high-speed rail between Haikou and Sanya in Hainan province.

Passengers can buy high-speed rail tickets from Haikou to Sanya when booking tickets on any Hainan Airlines flight to Haikou.

The rail fares will be the same as those offered directly by railways. The airline will eventually sell tickets to other stops on the high-speed rail route.

Hainan Airlines is not the only carrier with such a program.

China Eastern Airlines Co Ltd will start to sell high-speed rail tickets at the end of this month.

Tickets in either direction will be offered between Shanghai and four other cities - Suzhou, Wuxi, Changzhou and Ningbo.

Ticket sales for high-speed rail lines will expand gradually within the main cities of Anhui, Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces and Shanghai, which are under the jurisdiction of the Shanghai Railway Bureau, said Shen Xiaosheng, deputy director of the carrier's publicity department.

He said fares will fluctuate, but joint tickets will cost less than the total air and rail fares if sold separately.

China's high-speed rail service has been operating for two years and has had a broad, adverse effect on airlines' domestic business.

Areas that are getting high-speed rail service are also the most profitable for airlines. All three major State-owned airlines cited high-speed rail service as a factor affecting revenue in their financial reports.

Joint ticketing for airlines and high-speed rail lines could be a way for air carriers to profit from China's high-speed rail system, analysts said.

"High-speed rail services heavily affect the business of flights of less than 500 kilometers," said Yuan Huifang, deputy general manager of marketing and sales at Hainan Airlines. "But we want to find a way to cooperate with rail systems."

Yuan said joint ticketing can help both sides get more passengers.

However, it's not easy for airlines and railways to work together.

Hainan Airlines took almost one year to prepare for the program, and it was difficult to combine the two different ticketing systems, said Wang Yue, manager of product development at Hainan Airlines.

Also, joint operation requires convenient transfers, but few Chinese airports can meet that need. For that reason, Hainan Airlines will promote the program more heavily on international destinations rather than adding more domestic cities, Yuan said.

"I believe more railway stations and airports will be built together for joint operations," she added.

Carriers must improve their services to deal with the ongoing expansion of high-speed rail service, analysts said.

As much as 3,500 kilometers of new high-speed rail lines will be built in 2012. The four main north-south routes, including one between Beijing and Guangzhou, will be finished this year, the People's Daily reported in February.

The heaviest competition from high-speed rails won't come until 2013 or 2014, as most of the new lines won't go into service until the end of 2012, said Li Lei, an aviation analyst at CITIC Securities Co Ltd.

Airlines might abandon some feeder flights, which can be replaced by high-speed rail service, while adding flights to other routes, Li said.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_15124568.htm
So, in other words, it'd be like buying a ticket from Beijing to Nanjing, and simultaneously a train ticket from Nanjing to Shanghai? Is that where they're going with this?
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Old April 25th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #3942
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Lines to be opened over the rest of 12th 5 year plan, from January 2013 to December 2015:
Xiamen-Shenzhen, 502 km
Xian-Baoji, 148 km
Xuzhou-Zhengzhou, 357 km
Hangzhou-Changsha, 926 km
Changsha-Kunming, 1175 km
Datong-Xian, 859 km
Guangzhou-Guiyang, 857 km
Guiyang-Chengdu, 519 km
Lanzhou-Xinjiang, 1776 km
Hefei-Fuzhou, 806 km
Xian-Chengdu, 510 km
Nanchang-Putian, 604 km
Guangzhou-Nanning, 577 km
Nanping-Longyan, 247 km
rest of Wuhan Metropolis Intercity Railway, 70 km
Beijing-Tangshan, 160 km
Harbin-Qiqihar, 286 km
Beijing-Zhangjiakou, 174 km
Chongqing-Wanzhou, 250 km
Shenyang-Dandong, 208 km
Chengdu-Chongqing, 305 km
Changsha-Zhuzhou-Xiangtan, 95 km
Hangzhou-Huangshan, 262 km.

Is this correct?
If yes, I get the total of 11 473 km.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 07:53 AM   #3943
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So, in other words, it'd be like buying a ticket from Beijing to Nanjing, and simultaneously a train ticket from Nanjing to Shanghai? Is that where they're going with this?
I don't know. It might just a dream pipe, or they might have something similar to the German Rail&Fly program.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #3944
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Moreover, by the year 2020, China will finish construction on 16,000 km of high-speed railways, said a special plan for the country's high-speed train technology development during the 12th Five-year Plan (2011-2015) period, which was posted on the ministry's website on Wednesday.
Total, as of December 2012 - at least 11 168 km
completed either 2012 or 2013:
Longhua-Futian - 14 km
completed from January 2013 till December 2015 - 11 473 km
total by December 2015 end of 12th Five Year Plan:
22 655 km.
Where are the 6655 km which do not belong in the plans?
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Old April 28th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #3945
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I don't know. It might just a dream pipe, or they might have something similar to the German Rail&Fly program.
Well, it sounds nice to say the least. Instead of bearing the cost for a full length direct flight (or train journey) opt for a shared, cheaper one.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 08:28 AM   #3946
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China, Thailand to work closer on high-speed rail
Updated: 2012-04-19 21:10
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_15094162.htm
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BEIJING - China and Thailand have agreed to beef up cooperation in the land and water transportation sectors, according to a joint statement issued by the two governments on Thursday following Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's first official China visit.
The two countries also signed an agreement on facilitating railway cooperation during her visit, particularly in the area of high-speed rail construction.
According to the joint statement, the two countries agreed to boost cooperation in multiple areas in order to further their bilateral partnership.
High speed railway cannot be bilateral because China and Thailand have no border. A third party has to be involved - most conveniently Laos.

When is China opening first high speed railway into Yunnan?
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Old April 28th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #3947
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High speed railway cannot be bilateral because China and Thailand have no border. A third party has to be involved - most conveniently Laos.

When is China opening first high speed railway into Yunnan?
"the two countries agreed to boost cooperation in multiple areas in order to further their bilateral partnership"


They are boosting their bilateral partnership. I.e. the partnership between two countries. China and Thailand don't require a third country to have a partnership between just the two of them
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 06:02 PM   #3948
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Old May 6th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #3950
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:19 AM   #3952
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Price of some high-speed train tickets to be cut

Price of some high-speed train tickets to be cut
Updated: 2012-05-09 10:02
By Xin Dingding in Beijing and Zhou Wenting in Shanghai (China Daily)

Passengers will soon enjoy discounts when buying business class tickets and premium seats on high-speed trains operating on two lines in East China.

Experts said passengers will benefit from a more market-oriented operation of high-speed railways, following the Ministry of Railways' decision to ease its grip over railway management.

The Shanghai Railway Bureau on Monday announced through its Sina Weibo micro blog that business class tickets on high-speed trains on the Shanghai-Nanjing and Shanghai-Hangzhou lines will be reduced by 30 percent between May 18 and June 20.

Tickets for premium seats on the two lines over the same period will be cut by 10 percent.

That means a business class ticket from Shanghai to Nanjing, roughly priced at 438 yuan ($70), will now be available for 307 yuan. A premium seat on the same route costs 263 yuan, and the discounted price will be 237 yuan.

Business class and premium seats account for 2 percent of a high-speed train's total capacity.

The rail bureau said that the policy involves 55 trains running on the Shanghai-Nanjing line and 61 trains on Shanghai-Hangzhou line. Some of the discounts are only available when passengers buy tickets seven to 12 days in advance of the departure date.

The bureau added that the special price policy is subject to change in the future, which will be decided by market demands.

Industry insiders said this is the first time that the country's high-speed railways have given discounts to passengers, despite calls from the public for lower ticket prices in the past couple of years.

Many Web users have posted photos online showing empty compartments on high-speed trains. There have also been people demanding the railway ministry give discounts to frequent riders and students, who used to enjoy cheaper ticket prices on slower trains.

Yang Hao, a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University, believes that the discounts are now being offered because the Railways Ministry has loosened its grip on daily railway transport organization and management.

"The ministry has finally come to realize what its role should be and made reforms earlier this year," he said.

The ministry now focuses on policymaking and supervision, and local railway bureaus have taken over the job of setting prices as well as the responsibility of railway safety, he said.

"It will become a trend, as other railway bureaus follow Shanghai's lead and make more market-oriented moves in future operations," he said.

But many passengers interviewed on Tuesday said the price reduction may not necessarily make the expensive tickets easy to sell.

"It's only about an hour's ride from Wuxi (in Jiangsu province) to Shanghai. It's common to stand an hour on the subway in Shanghai, so I don't mind standing on the train," said Su Da, 32, a Wuxi native and an apparel retailer, who replenishes her stock from Shanghai every week.

"Some people bought first-class tickets during Spring Festival travel season when all the ones at fair prices were snapped up," she said. "But I've never seen people in the luxurious carriage."

Shi Bin, 54, a manager of a real estate company who travels between Shanghai and Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu province, every weekend, said he felt comfortable enough in the second-class seats because there are often just several people scattered in a car.

"It's like one passenger owns the seats in three rows," he said.

He and many other netizens called for the railway authority to cut prices on other tickets, too.

"It is a common desire of passengers to buy tickets at a discount. Railway ticket prices have risen sharply in the past decade with the upgrading of trains, but we don't feel the advantage of speed on a short trip with several stops," he said.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:25 AM   #3953
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Updated: 2012-05-09 10:56
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BEIJING - China will continue with research and development into its new generation high-speed trains despite the industry's tarnished image due to a spate of operation faults last year, according to a plan for the country's rail traffic equipment manufacturing industry.

The new generation trains will run at speeds of more than 300 km an hour, according to the five-year plan for the industry for the 2011-2015 period, which was released by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on Monday.

The plan underscores the reliability, comfort and maintainability of passenger rail transportation equipment. It requires thorough research and development of key technologies and systems related to rail traffic.

The fast development of high-speed trains came under question after frequent operation failures and a fatal crash.

On July 23 last year, a high-speed train slammed into a stalled train near the eastern city of Wenzhou, leaving 40 people dead and 172 injured. The incident was blamed on faulty signaling equipment.

Construction of high-speed trains and railways cooled sharply after the State Council, or China's cabinet, ordered slower operational speeds in the wake of the crash.

Trains with a maximum speed of 350 km per hour (kph) were ordered to run no faster than 300 kph, while those with a maximum speed of 250 kph had to run at no more than 200 kph.

Some analysts then predicted the accident would hamper the nation's exports of high-speed train technologies.

But contrary to these concerns, China has continued to export a wide range of equipment including electric multiple units, urban rail vehicles, steam locomotives, large road maintenance equipment to many countries such as Russia, Australia, Brazil, India, Argentina, Turkey, Iran and Malaysia.

"Compared to other high-end equipment manufacturing industries, the high-speed rail sector has a better industry foundation. It is also the easiest in terms of safety control," said Yuan Gangming, a researcher with Tsinghua University.

From 2006 to 2010, China enjoyed an average annual growth rate of 31.9 percent in the sales value of rail traffic equipments. The nation is capable of producing 2,000 high-power locomotives, 8,000 passenger rail vehicles and 60,000 freight wagons every year.

Nevertheless, like in other high-end equipment manufacturing industries, the nation lacks independent property rights in the rail transportation equipment sector.

For instance, about 80 percent of equipment that make integrated circuit chips were imported, according to previous media reports.

The nation has called for more investment and innovation to boost independent manufacturing. The plan revealed that in 2010, the nation's rail traffic equipment producers put nearly four percent of their sales revenue into research and development of new technologies.

The plan says that the nation's rail traffic will boom in coming five to 10 years with a large demand for various equipments. It estimates that the nation will consume more than 1,000 electric multiple units and about 5,000 locomotives from 2011 to 2015.

In recent years, urban rail systems have expanded fast across China as stifling pollution and traffic congestion has become a development bottleneck of the world's second largest economy.

By the end of 2010, 13 cities opened 49 railways with a mileage of 1,425.5 kilometers. The lines are sprawling. China now tops the world in the construction of urban railways, with an average annual new mileage of 270 kilometers.

By 2015, the nation's urban rail system will have a total length of more than 2,700 kilometers, the plan says.

Meanwhile, overseas demand was forecast to grow as many countries are also building new lines or upgrading old ones.

The global rail traffic equipment market will grow by 3 percent on average each year by 2015, with an annual demand averaging more than 100 billion euros ($130 billion), the plan says, citing forecasts of the Association of the European Rail Industry.

In the five-year plan, the ministry predicted that the industry's annual sales value will exceed 400 billion yuan ($63 billion) every year and investment by backbone enterprises in research and development will exceed 5 percent of their annual sales by 2015.

By 2020, the industry's annual sales value would exceed 650 billion yuan and investment in research and development would exceed 6 percent of annual sales, it said.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_15246909.htm
According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
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According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
Also, the article claimed that High Speed Rail exports were unharmed, and then went on to "prove" this point by listing everything but HSR! AFAIK, no HSR units have been exported by China yet.
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According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
Apparently the last steam locomotive produced in China was in 1988, at the Datong Locomotive Factory, which still produces electric locomotives under the name CNR Datong Electric Locomotive Co. Ltd.
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According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
Apparent translation error, I believe the Chinese report was referring to just locomotive.
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So, in other words, it'd be like buying a ticket from Beijing to Nanjing, and simultaneously a train ticket from Nanjing to Shanghai? Is that where they're going with this?
As the article indicated, a good example would be passengers traveling from Guangzhou to Sanya can directly book a "Guangzhou-Sanya" on Hainan Airlines website which consists of a Guangzhou-Haikou airline ticket and a Haikou-Sanya CRH ticket. I think what's even better would be for international passenger with destinations that don't have direct flight, such as people traveling from Hongkong to Suzhou can book a ticket with a Hongkong-Shanghai Hongqiao airline ticket and a Hongqiao-Suzhou CRH ticket.
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Zhengzhou-Xuzhou HSR Sees Finalized Plans for Dangshan South Station

The route of the 362.39 km-long Zhengzhou-Xuzhou HSR is being finalized as more HSR works sites in China get back to work. This very HSR line is the easternmost stretch of the eventual Ürumqi–Xuzhou HSR, which leaves eastern China’s Xuzhou (Jiangsu province) all the way to Ürumqi in Xinjiang.

The city of Dangshan (砀山) is a city in Anhui province with a lot of history. Situated in northern Anhui, it has been inhabited by people for thousands of years. This part of China, not far from the Yellow River, is also considered as the cradle of Chinese civilization.

Much of the Zhengzhou-Xuzhou HSR is in central China’s He’nan province, with around 73 km in Anhui and just under 36 km of the HSR in Jiangsu province. The easternmost terminus, Xuzhou, is in Jiangsu, and already enjoy a station on the Beijing-Shanghai HSR. This very station, Xuzhou East, is already in use. HSR trains further westbound will join Beijing-Shanghai trains at the completed station.

Dangshan South is expected to become a midway station, with the main station building just a slight distance away from the track, which will be on an embankment. Passengers will use underpasses to reach the platforms. The building will be rectangular but feature a blue, somewhat traditional-looking roof.

The Zhengzhou-Xuzhou HSR is optimized for speeds up to 350 km/h. It starts at Zhengzhou East (which will enter use later this year), ends at Xuzhou East, and runs through Kaifeng North, Lankao South, Minquan North, Shangqiu, Dangshan South, Yongcheng North and Xiaoxian North Railway Stations. Over 70% of the new line will be elevated. Works are slated to start at the end of the year.

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In my opinion, I think Nanjing South is the best looking railway station in China. Its modern interpretation of old cultural elements is simply spectacular and awesome !!!
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A GERMAN railway products maker has been providing substandard equipment for use on China's high-speed railways, a magazine investigation has claimed.

Cast-in channels produced by Halfen Group would rust easily even before they were incorporated into concrete structures, posing a potential danger, a report in the Century Weekly magazine said.

The cast-in channels produced by Halfen were first used on a high-speed rail line in 2005. The company soon established a branch in Beijing as the country embarked on rapid rail development.

The company says its products have been used on more than 20 rail projects in China including the Shanghai-Beijing and Beijing-Tianjin high-speed lines.

Despite domestic manufacturers developing their own cast-in channels and other relevant technologies, Halfen retains the biggest share of the market, according to the magazine, despite its prices being higher.

The channels are used to support other equipment like wires, signals and electrical devices. They are supposed to be crush-proof and rust-proof. But the report said that along the under-construction Shanghai-Kunming line, zinc coating on the channels was defective, which would lead to rusting.

Other sources showed that the products were made in China, not imported from Germany, the report said.

A video clip acquired by the magazine showed the zinc coating was applied in Chinese factories, it said.

The German company did not reply yesterday to an e-mailed request from Shanghai Daily for an interview.
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