Chennai Suburban railway, Central, Egmore & Tambaram terminal updates.

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by id_866

1.why they cant prepare 4 BG tacks from TBM MSB

2.why they cant reduce the frequency between TBM MSB?

3.Do you know how many people commuting from city to chengalpet and chengalpet to chennai?

4.The distance from BEACH STATION to THIRUMALPUR is 107 km but they are running 9 car train everytime.dont you think it's silly?

i dont see the development and you cant say it as development

1. Why should they? IR just cannot build something without justification

2. Reduce or increase? Whatever the train @ 9:00 will be crowded and it will never change..

3. How many?

4. Its you who find it silly.

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by jayaraj100

http://www.sr.indianrailways.gov.in/...EEK%20DAYS.pdf

Check the timing. It is never 12 service in a single hour to claim 5min frequency. Of course it is not on regular time. Which means there are trains within couple of min and there are at 15min. There are odd hours with just 3 trains. Even peak hour starting 4pm is just 4/5 service. This is what I am pointing at. If you are at wrong slot, you need to wait longer time.

Also trains should be operated at fixed interval. This can vary between peak and non peak. Also peak shouldn't be only office hrs. For CGL it starts 6am. For TBM it starts 7:30am and in MBM, it may be 8:30am. So except dark in the morning and after 11pm should be non-peak. Rest should be peak hrfrequency. It may be ambitious. But for the size of the population that's what is required. SR should not be ademand that only 120+% is the peak hr. Even it could be 60-70% occupancy also should be peak.

Make sense (I am sure it is not for SR officials, owing to operational cost)...

There are 28 services that starts between 6:00 and 9:30 and out of that 18 are 12 car EMU. It makes perfect sense by any scale. SR cannot be responsible of commuter's alarm failure...

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by jayaraj100

It is worst on weekend. Who thinks that on weekend people stay at home? It is atrocious thought. If you board on weekend from TBM, you would see lot of family travel. Crowd if not same at least comparable to a typical working day. Now the entire family with kids and elders are unconvinced. We shouldn't always think that the transportation required only for office. Think about the crowd retrain at park station on Sunday evening... Definitely SR should treat weekday and weekend should be same at least not this worst.

EMU services are subsidized by state government and you cannot really blame them for running as many services on a weekend. SR runs close to 140 services starting at MSB, that is 7 per hour. Are you referring compartments were all the seat occupied as crowded?

[Vicvin86]

For updated train timetable.. From this it is evident that the services are well planned to cater the needs of office goers. Even in the double track north line more locals are operated in peak hours..
http://erail.in/ChennaiSubUrbanTrains.htm#

[krishnaswamy]

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

There are 28 services that starts between 6:00 and 9:30 and out of that 18 are 12 car EMU. It makes perfect sense by any scale. SR cannot be responsible of commuter's alarm failure...

but thye can increase EMU by 12 Cars Vinoth..it is tough in the evenings.. you can not even enter into it in Guindy.. After mount, pazhavanthal, the crowd will be reduced lot...
MRTS(if successfully completed, can take out some crowd from St.thomas mount as most of the crowd in st. thomas mount are towards medavakkam side.

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by krishnaswamy

but thye can increase EMU by 12 Cars Vinoth..it is tough in the evenings.. you can not even enter into it in Guindy.. After mount, pazhavanthal, the crowd will be reduced lot...

Thats true my friend was struck inside the station for 45 mins.. on the other hand imagine how the situation will be had if they continued with MG and normal passenger trains instead of EMUs and MEMUs on the other two lines.. but i think the 12 car EMUs are steadily increasing

[id_866]

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

1. Why should they? IR just cannot build something without justification

2. Reduce or increase? Whatever the train @ 9:00 will be crowded and it will never change..

3. How many?

4. Its you who find it silly.

when people are like these mindset nothing will change

[karkal]

No pharmacy, internet at 2 railway stations

CHENNAI: They are the two major railway terminals linking Chennai with the rest of the country. Attracting over three lakh people every day, the city’s premier landmarks handle roughly 150 trains, and tens of thousands of passengers. However, the absence of a pharmacy is a blot on these stations, which otherwise have several first-of-its-kind initiatives to their names. What is more, neither Central nor Egmore has an Internet café, at a time when wi-fi facilities are offered even on board trains.
Picture this. A passenger who urgently requires his prescribed medicine after arriving at Central Railway Station must make his way to the congested Nainiappan Maistry Street, off Walltax Road, to find a pharmacy, spending at least 20 precious minutes. For a browsing centre he has to walk down to the adjacent Walltax Road, again 20� minutes. A few emergency medicines like paracetamol tablets and pain relievers are sold at a book stall in the station. �
Enquiries into the critical absence of these basic facilities revealed that three pharmacies were shut down in the last three years, and the lone Internet centre at the Central Railway Station run by RailTel Corporation of India Limited was closed about 12 months ago. The huge rent for the stall proved a constraint as the Internet centre generated hardly any income.
Apparently Egmore Railway Station too, after more than a century of servicing commuters, lacks these facilities, forcing hapless people to go to Kennet Lane, diagonally opposite 96the station. Though a pharmacy cum general shop is functioning close to the railway terminal, the net savvy must make it to the fag end of Kennet Lane to browse the Internet. When contacted, a senior official of Southern Railway stated that tenders had been floated for two pharmacies at Central and Egmore Railway Stations, which are yet to be finalised.

This is the real pathetic status of chennai's premier hub stations.

[robertashok]

Originally Posted by karkal

No pharmacy, internet at 2 railway stations



This is the real pathetic status of chennai's premier hub stations.

Boss, Toilet kuda propera illa, WIFI , medicines ellam ethir parikirathu too much. Not sure now, it has been a long time since i travelled by train.

[jayaraj100]

Originally Posted by Vicvin86

EMU services are subsidized by state government and you cannot really blame them for running as many services on a weekend. SR runs close to 140 services starting at MSB, that is 7 per hour. Are you referring compartments were all the seat occupied as crowded?

Weekend frequency is not sufficient. I travel from TBM, even on crowd I am sure I can get seat there. most of the time the seats are occupied. Imagine from next station onwards. From Chrompet itself people find it difficult to board. My only point is increase the frequency. Why we should consider 100+% occupancy is the need of more trains? I am sure operational cost is the only reason which compromises the comfort of commuters. I am not expecting seat all the time. Atleast a convenient boarding/detraining without yelling for space.

Again, we only worry about office going community (9 and evening 5). There are hundreds of business people who travel throughout the day. We cannot blame them saying alarm failure. There are vendors who return after morning sale of goods. There are salesman who travel. There school kids who travel after half a day.

After my brief 4years of college, when I entered multiple need of my career I need to travel throughout the time of the day. Of ocurse morning 9 I need to punch at office. Later, I need to travel for other service issues.

You may say 'go get two wheeler'. Then we are driving him out of the service of train. In fact that is exactly happening... more two wheelers on road.

whatever the solution is, our basic understanding of peak hour definition should change. For me, 6am-11pm is peak hr. Rest can be non-peak.

Probably I will take picture of the board which displays the time. How lean non-peak Vs Peak hr.

[id_866]

Govt should not run travelling services for profit.If you say it's for profit then why tey are constructing new metro lines in chennai?

if they govt say loss in railways then how the loss came?

why govt can't provide good transportation facility in this 120 crores populated country?

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by id_866

when people are like these mindset nothing will change

People like me are much better than those who got no idea what frequency is..

[Vicvin86]

Originally Posted by jayaraj100

Probably I will take picture of the board which displays the time. How lean non-peak Vs Peak hr.

check the online timetable its far accurate...

[ranga]

Originally Posted by id_866

Govt should not run travelling services for profit.If you say it's for profit then why tey are constructing new metro lines in chennai?

if they govt say loss in railways then how the loss came?

why govt can't provide good transportation facility in this 120 crores populated country?

ain't enough money for the railways to provide good transportation.yet the trains keep moving overcrowded.People bear it but not any increase in train fares.after travel experience in mumbai's suburban trains one feel like a maharaja travel in chennai's suburban trains.

[vinodgopal]

Well one can feel like a maharaja alright but he ain't one.

[arshyam]

Agree with many of your points, but not with these:

Originally Posted by id_866

1.why they cant prepare 4 BG tacks from TBM MSB

There are, please check the tracks next time you visit this area. If you are referring to 3 tracks between MS-MSB, there is very little land available for another line; yet, it is possible to operate more fast services on this single line, since they will be unidirectional given the time of the day and traffic flows in Chennai. With the available infra, we can in the future operate trains like they do in Mumbai, i.e. peak frequency of around 60 sec if needed, with dedicated slow and fast services. Currently, Chennai does not have Mumbai-size population, and a similar demand for rail travel (MTC takes a bunch of load too, unlike Mumbai).

Originally Posted by id_866

2.why they cant reduce the frequency between TBM MSB?

I think you meant increase: I agree with this, track capacity exists, because of the infra augmentation by BG conversion, which I call development. As to why not more services, only SR would know - maybe they don't have enough rakes, or maybe operating additional services would be a financial burden (most of these suburban operations make a loss except in Mumbai and Kolkata). The SG can help, but won't, because they are happy making money through a competing MTC.

Originally Posted by id_866

3.Do you know how many people commuting from city to chengalpet and chengalpet to chennai?

I don't know, but I am sure it is a lot. If you cared to read my original post, I mentioned facts only between MSB-TBM and said beyond TBM, things aren't good.

Ideally, here's what we need IMHO:
1. TBM-CGL should be quadrupled, with EMU operations similar to MSB-TBM.
2. CGL-TMLP/AJJ doubled to enable regular EMU operations thoughout the day.
3. Operate more fast services through the day from TMLP/CGL to MSB to help longer distance commuters.
4. MSB-TBM needs a lot more fast services, especially in peak hours.

Originally Posted by id_866

4.The distance from BEACH STATION to THIRUMALPUR is 107 km but they are running 9 car train everytime.dont you think it's silly?

Possibly, given the kind of demand and frequency of service. 9-car may be sufficient if there is more frequent service to TMLP, say, every 15-30 min, but currently I understand that there are very few services to TMLP.

Ideally, IMHO, SR should run frequent 9-car rakes between MSB-TBM, TBM-CGL, and CGL-TMLP through the day. 9-car rakes would enable more frequent operation without excess capacity, and shorter distances (around 30-50 km) would give more flexibility in scheduling. Long distances routes like MSB - TMLP can be restricted to peak hours.

Originally Posted by id_866

i dont see the development and you cant say it as development

What you see is subjective, and so is what I see. I listed facts about what I saw, and in my opinion, that is development. Kindly don't make statements like "you can't say" something. Let us discuss facts and real issues, not what one can see and cannot see.

[karkal]

Long wait for tickets at Tambaram station

Buying a ticket for a suburban electric train is a simple task. But at the Tambaram railway station, it has become an ordeal. A shortage of staff at the ticket counters combined with an increase in the number of people availing of the trains' services (due to steep fares in government buses) has resulted in overcrowding at the ticket counters on both the eastern and western sides of the station.

Southern Railway sources said people waiting in endless queues at ticket counters, especially during rush hours on Friday evenings and Monday mornings, was a common sight. With the onset of summer vacations, the number of people travelling to different parts of the city and other far-flung suburban locations such as Arakkonam, Tiruvallur, Gummidipoondi and Kancheepuram too, has increased.

At present, two counters function on the eastern side, and five on the western.

On days considered auspicious, muhurthams for instance, the crowds increase. On Wednesday, the crowd swelled to more than its usual size at ticket counters on both sides. Between 8 a.m. and 9.30 a.m., people waited for as long as 45 minutes to get a ticket, missing between four and five trains to Chennai Beach, and at least a couple towards Chengalpattu. This led to frayed tempers amongst people waiting in the queue.

Added to this, only three of the nine ceiling fans were working near the ticket counters. Further, many impatient men were seen jumping the queue to get to the counter, resulting in a mild scuffle amongst some of the waiting commuters. No policeman however, was seen regulating the crowd.

This problem is not restricted just to Tambaram, but exists at nearly all the suburban stations on the Tambaram – Chennai Beach line, during rush hours on weekdays, Southern Railway sources said.

People preferred to travel by electric train as it saves them both time and money. “I have to spend anywhere between Rs. 7 and Rs. 11 to reach hospitals in Chromepet and Pallavaram by Metropolitan Transport Corporation buses, but a train ticket costs only Rs. 4,” said C. Pushpa.

Southern Railway officials said ticket sales in Tambaram were the highest on the suburban sector. Monthly sales of tickets, which stood at 7.12 lakh in November 2010, went up to 7.5 lakh in November 2011, when the State government hiked bus fares.

In December 2011, it shot up to 8.37 lakh and In January this year, 8.71 lakh tickets were sold in Tambaram. Last month, the figure touched 8.26 lakh. Nearly 95 per cent of the tickets sold are on the suburban sector, while the remaining are to neighbouring and southern districts.

Southern Railway has also been unable to deploy adequate staff at the automatic ticket vending machines in the stations, due to lack of manpower, sources added.

[Alphastallion]

Seeing all the above Posts RM expects only money rest of the facilities to the Bengal..
even our neighbors for that matter not getting fair deal...
now for Howra to Delhi they are going to try for online connectivity..what a shame on those fellows..main stations like central doesnt have pharmacy or internet cafe..
are we not paying the same tax as the fellow over there ...

http://www.telegraphindia.com/111082...y_14437645.jsp

[Vicvin86]

http://www.youtube.com/user/rsubram24

[jayaraj100]

Originally Posted by Alphastallion

Seeing all the above Posts RM expects only money rest of the facilities to the Bengal..
even our neighbors for that matter not getting fair deal...
now for Howra to Delhi they are going to try for online connectivity..what a shame on those fellows..main stations like central doesnt have pharmacy or internet cafe..
are we not paying the same tax as the fellow over there ...

http://www.telegraphindia.com/111082...y_14437645.jsp

Porumai... Politician will jump to introduce in their home state first. But it will be inevitable that these ameneties get spread across nation as demand is always higher any corner.

BLR city station for ex. has wi-fi connection (but I have no idea where to get password, or which agencies to granting the acess. You can see them if you have gadget).