Rochester Development News

[homestar]

Originally Posted by bayviews

However: I wouldn't be surprised if within a decade or two, metro Buffalo gets eclipsed by both metro Rochester & Albany, falling down to the third largest upstate.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade or two, bayviews is still trolling the WNY message boards ...

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by homestar

I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade or two, bayviews is still trolling the WNY message boards ...

Talk about trolling!

Clearly a nonsensical post that has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with Rochester Development.

[ROCrot]

Originally Posted by fubo

Hard to make any judgements from the graph above since 63% of the cities on the list are in the sunbelt or west and only 5 are in the rust belt. Amazing how just 30 years ago over half of the cities on this list would have been from the rust belt

Well, the list IS of the largest 40 MSAs. I guess Rust Belt cities aren't all that large. Size brings a greater variety of entertainment and amenities, as well as better employment opportunities. The migration trend everywhere in the world is toward urban areas, and it is for those very same reasons.

[fubo]

Originally Posted by bayviews

Talk about trolling!

Clearly a nonsensical post that has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with Rochester Development.

So you are saying it's a lot like many of your posts?

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by fubo

So you are saying it's a lot like many of your posts?

Obviously not.

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by fubo

Hard to make any judgements from the graph above since 63% of the cities on the list are in the sunbelt or west and only 5 are in the rust belt. Amazing how just 30 years ago over half of the cities on this list would have been from the rust belt

Where's Buffalo?

Has it just fallen off the list already?

[ROCrot]

Originally Posted by bayviews

Where's Buffalo?

Has it just fallen off the list already?

The chart was only the top 40. Buffalo is #49.

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by ROCrot

The chart was only the top 40. Buffalo is #49.

Sad how it just keeps slipping down.

And just imagine, Buffalo USED TO BE in the top 20 metros.

[Seaway]

Why not bring your opinions over to the Buffalo board Bayviews? What are you afraid about if you're just speaking the truth? Come on, let's get a real debate going. You start.


I say this because I fail to see what Buffalo's apparent misfortunes have to do with Rochester.

[ROCrot]

Originally Posted by Seaway

I say this because I fail to see what Buffalo's apparent misfortunes have to do with Rochester.

Yes, of course - because after all, the two cities exist in their own isolated bubbles.

/s

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by Seaway

Why not bring your opinions over to the Buffalo board Bayviews?

Good suggestions. Right you are. Indeed, I should be sharing more good ideas on the Buffalo forums.

[Seaway]

Originally Posted by ROCrot

Yes, of course - because after all, the two cities exist in their own isolated bubbles.

/s

They do exist in their own isolated forums. If that's not how we should look at them, then combine the two forums together.

[ROCrot]

Originally Posted by Seaway

They do exist in their own isolated forums. If that's not how we should look at them, then combine the two forums together.

Or perhaps occasionally mention one city in the other's forum because they're affected by the same macro factors. That's all he was doing.

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by ROCrot

Or perhaps occasionally mention one city in the other's forum because they're affected by the same macro factors. That's all he was doing.

Exactly, here we have in Buffalo & Rochester a pair of metros that run into each other.

There’s no damage done in comparing & trading best practices and good ideas along the Thruway corrider.

[downtownhobo]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...rmodal-station

Renderings released for bus, train station in Rochester

[bayviews]

Some good census news has been coming in for Rochester in the 2010 census & ACS.

Rochester leads all the upstate metros in immigrant populations with 73,179 foreign born.

Thats a slight edge over Albany/Capital District with 67,602.

Of course the NYC metro area has by far the lion's share of the foreign-born immigrants statewide, with over 5.7 million, including adjacent portions of NJ & CT.

In NY state as across the US, the metros which have been the most immigrant-freindly have been the ones which get the most growth, economic as well as demographic.

[ScanTron]

Bay views, are you sure you have your causal direction straight? The areas that have the most growth then become attractive to immigrants, because there are jobs. Immigrants move to jobs Much more than jobs move to them, I'm sure.

[ROCrot]

While immigrants may be moving in, the natives are still moving out. Eventually, many of the immigrants move out too, replaced by newer immigrants. The end result is static population numbers, at least in the Rochester area. Once someone from Laos, Vietnam, or India, for example, gets their feet on their ground in this country, do you think they want to continue to contend with brutal cold, sunless skies, and waist-deep snow when there are other areas more akin to the climate that they're genetically acclimated to?

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by ROCrot

While immigrants may be moving in, the natives are still moving out. Eventually, many of the immigrants move out too, replaced by newer immigrants. The end result is static population numbers, at least in the Rochester area. Once someone from Laos, Vietnam, or India, for example, gets their feet on their ground in this country, do you think they want to continue to contend with brutal cold, sunless skies, and waist-deep snow when there are other areas more akin to the climate that they're genetically acclimated to?

Good points. However, consider that after the Vietnam War in the mid-1970s most of the Southeast Asian refugees first came to California, Texas, & other Sunbelt states. Yet many shunned the sunshine & “bright lights”, settling in “winter” states like Minnesota, or upstate NY, even though there weren’t a lot of jobs waiting for them at that time.

Indeed back then, upstate was losing even more jobs & people then now. Today however, metro Rochester has a significant Southeast Asian population, including 2,400 Vietnamese, 1,200 Laotians and 467 Cambodians. However, upstate NY needs a lot more immigrants to keep pace with downstate as well as replacing the natives that leave for warmer climes.

Even now, icy, frigid Minnesota is one of the leading magnets for immigrants from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Latin America & other warm climes! A key reason why Minnesota isn’t part of the rustbelt!

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by ScanTron

Bay views, are you sure you have your causal direction straight? The areas that have the most growth then become attractive to immigrants, because there are jobs. Immigrants move to jobs Much more than jobs move to them, I'm sure.

Sure, no doubt, obviously people are attracted by jobs. And yet, the cause & effect relationship also works both ways.

Jobs often also follow people, immigrants included. Remember, there weren’t a lot of “jobs” waiting when the original immigrants to North America crossed the Bearing Straits from Northeast Asia! Nor when the later European immigrants crossed the Atlantic!

If you’re a region like WNY that’s been losing employers more often than not, it’s because the employers are following the growth, that is the market, the people, immigrants included. Sadly, Buffalo just lost another up & coming firm to booming Texas.

Truth is, most corporate firms fleeing upstate prefer to blame “high taxes” & “red tape” for exiting. Rather than simply admit that their following the population growth, which of course is their customer market. The reality is that it’s been hard for employers & firms to thrive in declining or stagnant areas like upstate NY.

However, as noted, Rochester has been doing better than most upstate cities in attracting immigrants, with the modest population & economic growth that comes along with it. Just keep up the good work!