WOLVERHAMPTON | Molineux Redevelopment | 40,000+ | U/C

[DBadger]

I think everyone's getting a bit hasty to be honest, even if it's postponed for five seasons that is a drop in the ocean relatively speaking for the construction of a stadium. Football teams don't die off due to one season and they aren't judged solely on one league either. Wolves are still big in the championship, they're still on average a premiership team at the moment, and they still have a big following; come back in five years and if things have changed by then then you can take pecks at Moxey and Morgan. They've made some mistakes, but it would be incredibly naive and shortsighted to judge anything based on the past six months. Gotta look at the long term picture. Newcastle too went down into the championship, but look where they are now, eh?

A "pause" isn't a bad thing and as has been said, they need to do the academy now otherwise they'll lose the opportunity in the future. It's bloody good management to postpone a big public feature to instead focus on the training of the players for a short while. The academy isn't going to take very long at all to build (relatively speaking) and is merely a small diversion, hell might even only be a season's worth, after which the stadium will have priority again.

The new stand has given us many facilities lacking in the former and let's not forget the other things going on - the procurement of new parking spaces with the future goal of building a hotel (everyone seems to have forgotten about this), the proposed yellow brick road from the train station including a new bridge over the ring road, etc, these are still all very much in line but building the stadium isn't impeding on them just as the academy won't impede on the stadium.

Just take it as a breather between phases, it's logical and useful.

On the positioning of the seats:

Let's not forget that with the forward facing seats we have more capacity than the old stand. We have more capacity than the old stand. Ignore the fact we can't use full capacity of the stadium, because it would be INSANE not to add these corner seats on while building the stand as they're a key part of the design which will let it join up with the steve bull. Think of them not as lost capacity, rather, additional capacity which is probably not even intended to be used at this point. It's not missing or taken away, for it doesn't need to be used in the first place at the moment; just imagine it as a little added bit and ignore it for now and focus on the fact we have a brand new pitch facing stand.

[Jay Jay Joy]

Originally Posted by DBadger

I think everyone's getting a bit hasty to be honest, even if it's postponed for five seasons that is a drop in the ocean relatively speaking for the construction of a stadium. Football teams don't die off due to one season and they aren't judged solely on one league either. Wolves are still big in the championship, they're still on average a premiership team at the moment, and they still have a big following; come back in five years and if things have changed by then then you can take pecks at Moxey and Morgan. They've made some mistakes, but it would be incredibly naive and shortsighted to judge anything based on the past six months. Gotta look at the long term picture. Newcastle too went down into the championship, but look where they are now, eh?

A "pause" isn't a bad thing and as has been said, they need to do the academy now otherwise they'll lose the opportunity in the future. It's bloody good management to postpone a big public feature to instead focus on the training of the players for a short while. The academy isn't going to take very long at all to build (relatively speaking) and is merely a small diversion, hell might even only be a season's worth, after which the stadium will have priority again.

The new stand has given us many facilities lacking in the former and let's not forget the other things going on - the procurement of new parking spaces with the future goal of building a hotel (everyone seems to have forgotten about this), the proposed yellow brick road from the train station including a new bridge over the ring road, etc, these are still all very much in line but building the stadium isn't impeding on them just as the academy won't impede on the stadium.

Just take it as a breather between phases, it's logical and useful.

On the positioning of the seats:

Let's not forget that with the forward facing seats we have more capacity than the old stand. We have more capacity than the old stand. Ignore the fact we can't use full capacity of the stadium, because it would be INSANE not to add these corner seats on while building the stand as they're a key part of the design which will let it join up with the steve bull. Think of them not as lost capacity, rather, additional capacity which is probably not even intended to be used at this point. It's not missing or taken away, for it doesn't need to be used in the first place at the moment; just imagine it as a little added bit and ignore it for now and focus on the fact we have a brand new pitch facing stand.

You're having a giraffe.. "Average premiership team" .. WE ARE BOTTOM BY A MILE!

Not just this season either last 3 seasons it's been coming. Remember we only stayed up last season. Losing last game, we stayed up by default with B'ham going down. Then we go and buy only Roger the dodger Johnson from them, who takes us down this year with his bad antics also. Another waste of millions??
You're making excuses for SM and the new stand also. Top and bottom tiers of a 21st century football ground stand has restricted views now?? Wonder if you get all these mistakes in a new Redrow home?

[Aldaniti]

Badger, 'pitch facing stand' 'forward facing seats' you make it sound like it was an option...
I can imagine, the architects first design brief " right Mr Morgan, which way do you want the stand to face and would you like the seats facing a particular direction?"

You put up with second best fine, but imagine sitting in the lounge of your Redrow home and not being able to see the TV?

[DBadger]

You're having a giraffe.. "Average premiership team" .. WE ARE BOTTOM BY A MILE!

We have been in the premiership for three out of the last four seasons (counting next season) so on average we are a premiership side; if we're promoted next season we'll continue to be so.

Bottom of the premiership is still the premiership, we didn't go down in the other seasons so continued to be premiership...

Badger, 'pitch facing stand' 'forward facing seats' you make it sound like it was an option...

...? That's not what I meant. I mean if you only count the seats parallel to the pitch, i.e. where the old stan cullis stand was, capacity is increased; the corner is just an added bit for use at a later date.

(Actually "pitch facing" is a daft word, yeah, I meant... parallel, I guess. The seats directly in line with the line of the pitch and not in a corner.)

[BoldTeddy]

Working hard today.
The rate they are putting the upper concourse glass in, it will be finished by tomorrow.

Interstingly no more pannels have been added to the windshield. I don't know if they're having second thoughts about it or it has just been too windy to work this week.

[gouldy]

Nice photos BT. I went down and got some a little bit earlier too. By the looks of your photos, we might have been on site at pretty much the same time Off out now, but I'll look through to pictures I took later and see if there are any that are from different angles to yours.

Originally Posted by Jay Jay Joy

Top and bottom tiers of a 21st century football ground stand has restricted views now?? Wonder if you get all these mistakes in a new Redrow home?

Old Trafford has some pretty bad restricted view seats up in their new corners. Real Madrid's ground has hundreds of seats with restricted views up in their corners and all around the top tier. By comparison, to be honest, ours isn't that bad at all, especially when you consider that the majority of the restricted views in the stand are only temporary.

And judging by the success of Redrow as a business; I'd say that they must produce some decent stuff...

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by BoldTeddy

Very patchy. Can't be the finished look, can it?

[nod]

Which part RMB? The glass?

[RMB2007]

No, the brick facade. Wondering if it's just water stains, or that's how it is because the bricks are slightly different in colour.

[DBadger]

I wouldn't worry, it's a common look down Waterloo road -.-

[nod]

I think it's water stains as in th sun the bricks are all the same colou. Also, don't think different coloured bricks would be used

[Stuj4z]

It is just water stains.
Why does this happen in some places and not others though?

[Jay Jay Joy]

Originally Posted by gouldy

Nice photos BT. I went down and got some a little bit earlier too. By the looks of your photos, we might have been on site at pretty much the same time Off out now, but I'll look through to pictures I took later and see if there are any that are from different angles to yours.





Old Trafford has some pretty bad restricted view seats up in their new corners. Real Madrid's ground has hundreds of seats with restricted views up in their corners and all around the top tier. By comparison, to be honest, ours isn't that bad at all, especially when you consider that the majority of the restricted views in the stand are only temporary.

And judging by the success of Redrow as a business; I'd say that they must produce some decent stuff...

Gouldy that's why I stipulated " 21ST CENTURY STADIUM" ..

Molineux will be a NEW BUILD when all phases are completed hopefully. How can you compare with stadiums that have been built 60 years ago and added too. Like Old Trafford and the Santiago Bernabeu?? Compare please to say The New Wembley or The Emirates and other "21st century stadia..

As per usual you set the standards low. Set them high like we used to consider Wolverhampton Wanderers in the past. As for Old Trafford YES and Manchester United. Known as in the past 15 years and more as one of the biggest club in the world maybe. Well did you know Wolves still hold the ground record there. The highest attendance recorded at Old Trafford was 76,962 for an FA Cup semi-final between Wolverhampton Wanderers and Grimsby Town on 25 March 1939

[gouldy]

The parts of those 2 grounds that I was referring to were built in the 21st century; that's the reason I picked those two specifically. There are loads of older grounds with far worse restricted views, of course, but those two had the offending sections built post 2000.

That's a record attendance that could be short lived now! They've only got to add another few hundred seats somewhere and they'd be able to acheived higher now in an all seater than we did against Grimsby. But it's a nice claim to fame while it lasts

[BoldTeddy]

From Wolves twitter.
Upper tier seating still looks wonky.

[gouldy]

Very disappointed Morgan didn't come out and speak to the fans, he's given people ammunition against him. Not that anyone would have listened to whatever he had to say, mind lol.

[Jay Jay Joy]

Supporter just saying on BBC WM Radio..

Sits in the new SC stand, says it's worse than the old SC stand. You have to go 20 minutes before half time if you want to go for a drink or to the toilets because the queues are so long ..

No progress on the pitch or off then .. and a waste of money to boot

Just like I said Roger the dodger Johnson was a waste of money .. on the bench again!

Owner ~ Captain ~ Stand ???

[gouldy]

Originally Posted by Jay Jay Joy

Supporter just saying on BBC WM Radio..

Sits in the new SC stand, says it's worse than the old SC stand. You have to go 20 minutes before half time if you want to go for a drink or to the toilets because the queues are so long ..

No progress on the pitch or off then .. and a waste of money to boot

Just like I said Roger the dodger Johnson was a waste of money .. on the bench again!

Owner ~ Captain ~ Stand ???

I think we've been over this hundreds of times; the bar and toilets aren't going to be doing as much work after this season - as they currently serve the entire bottom tier, whereas once the away fans are in, the away fans will have their own separate food counters/toilets and there will only be 2/3rds as many Wolves fans using the facilities. It will get a lot better next season, I've lost count of the number of times we've already said this.


I actually think that a lot of the stick that the stand has been coming in for is completely down to the fact that it's being built in front of our eyes, and we're using it while it's still being built. This is nothing like the finished article yet, people need to remember that. Just today I was noticing new doors and "holes in the wall" are being built down the "away fan" end of the stand, where I'm currently sitting.

[BoldTeddy]

Maybe the club should have made it clear that 4000 would be using a concourse designed for 2700ish.

[Jay Jay Joy]

Originally Posted by BoldTeddy

Maybe the club should have made it clear that 4000 would be using a concourse designed for 2700ish.

Didn't they..

Just like Morgan made it clear, that he was after a Premiership calibre manager when he sacked Mick