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[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by mjoks007

Vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy

I'm not sure that this is the best way to show off the ships, and the difference in risks were minimal as far as I can tell of the statistics. The idea of "mideavel town Oslo" had grown a lot of me, with the idea to combine viking ships and the ruins in Bjørvika/old Oslo. It could've been an international hub for showing of Norwegian culture and Vikings.

[OnTheNorthRoad]

I agree.

I'm not going to contest any conclusions regarding the security of the viking ships, but as far as I can tell, the experts agreed that any kind of risk for any kind of "damage" or "belastning" was completely unacceptable. I understand that the ships are important enough to justify that view, but maybe they should have weighed it against the amount of people that will visit the ships. The interiors of the viking ship museum is great imo, but the museum remains in the periphery, almost likea curiousity. I would love to have seen a high quality and much visited museum centre of viking goodies and medieval stuff in gamlebyen. Bygdøy can't and don't want to handle that many people anyway.

But, if this is not going to appear like a parody, they will have to build a new building for the ships, cause the report clearly states that in the long run it's more of a risk to keep them in the old building than moving them into a new in Bjørvika.

[starkwell]

[OnTheNorthRoad]

http://www.aftenposten.no/bolig/Dele...l#.T6lIruj87Zc

- Gir bort hageflekker i Bjørvika

They will only last for three years, though.

[Galro]

Nice. The area desperately needs something green.

[IceCheese]

Status on shopping/leasure areas in Operakvarteret: http://www.nenyheter.no/39390

[IceCheese]

From Byggeindustrien:

AF-jobb i Bjørvika

AF Gruppen (AFG) er innstilt som entreprenør for kontrakt K108-1 Broer og konstruksjoner i Bjørvika for Bjørvika Infrastruktur AS.

Av: Byggeindustrien | Publisert: 06.06.2012 13:30 | Sist endret: 06.06.2012 13:44
Kontrakten omhandler bro over Akerselva samt opsjon på bro over Operaallmenningen og bro over Bispekilen.

Arbeidene starter opp i oktober 2012 og ferdigstilles sommeren 2014. Kontrakten, inklusive opsjoner, har en verdi på ca. MNOK 100 eks. mva.

- AF Gruppen har siden 2010 vært etablert på Sørenga med Bjørvika Infrastruktur AS som kunde. Vi ser frem til å ta fatt på et nytt og spennende oppdrag for en viktig kunde i Oslo, sier Pål Egil Rønn, konsernsjef i AF Gruppen.

http://www.bygg.no/2012/06/90176.0

[Callsign]

Styret for kulturhistorisk museum går nå inn for at de skal fortsette der de er. Det vil si at vikingskipene blir på Bygdøy som mer eller mindre er avklart, og at museet blir værende på Tullinløkka. Det vil i praksis si at det ikke blir noe flytting til Bjørvika og DEG. Dermed har Bjørvika mistet to store attraksjoner på 6mnd. Nå sitter vi igjen med operaen og biblioteket...

[OnTheNorthRoad]

Munch-museet kommer snikende tilbake når Hagen og Co har fått tilfredstilt markeringsbehovet sitt. Om det blir Lambda eller et annet bygg er vel for tidlig å si, men forløpet i Bjørvika bør få konsekvenser for samspillet mellom politisk beslutningsprosess og den kreative, arkitektoniske prosessen. Utenlandske arkitekter har kritisert det offentlige for å være for detaljstyrende, blant annet. Når vi er så heldige, at vi har et økonomisk klima som tillater at utbyggere bruker store summer på dyre arkitekter, må vi la dem få bruke kreativiteten sin. Alternativet er Thon-arkitektur, men kanskje PBE og nimby-bevegelsene foretrekker det? Det kan virke slik.

Vi kan i hvert fall ikke havne i en situasjon der den åpenbart beste løsningen, nemlig å la Munch få en prominent plass i Bjørvika, stoppes fordi bystyret skal være smakspoliti. I så fall må bystyret for fremtiden godkjenne det arkitektoniske uttrykket før konkurransevinneren blir offentliggjort, slik at det blir mulig å velge et nytt forslag.

[Galro]

Originally Posted by OnTheNorthRoad

Alternativet er Thon-arkitektur, men kanskje PBE og nimby-bevegelsene foretrekker det? Det kan virke slik.

Given what these foreign architects usually draws: Yes, I would rather have Thons buildings.

[OnTheNorthRoad]

I referred to foreign architects since they have some background to evaluate how we do things in Oslo/Norway, but I'm sure the norwegian firms could have said the same things. I could only find one source for this, which was from archdaily's review of the best places for architects at the moment, where Norway was mentioned positively. The downside was the building processes/bureaucracy, the way I interpreted the comment.

Anyways, the point wasn't to create a schism between foreign architects and cheap architects, but rather expensive, ambitious architecture and cheap, pragmatic architecture.

I'm not going to enter another lengthy discussion on what's the better architecture in Oslo, the "foreign one" or the Thon one. We just have to disagree.

[Galro]

I don't really care about whether or not the building is ambitious and expensive when it end up being as ugly as the new Dnb Nor building for example. I then thinks it better to build it cheap and fast if we are going ruin the city anyway. Thons building can at least be pulled down anytime without any larger protests.

[IceCheese]

News about the Fjord-walk, especially the section from Operaalmenningen/Oslo S to Festningsalmenningen/Vippetangen http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/aktu...f5e26cff836a/1


Some renders as well:




All will be done by next easter. Other stuff are also close to be done, Wismargata and the sidewalks in Trelastgata.

[Galro]

They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

[Osloborger]

Originally Posted by Galro

They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

You have:


Looks significantly better. I can bear it if they mix it up with granite tiles, but if it turns out to be mostly asphalt then I will be quite disapointed.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Galro

They will use asphalt? That's a bummer. I thought I had seen renders from the fjordtram project with tiles?

I know. All over downtown they're renovating and shifting to granite. Bjørvika utvikling is obviously trying to save money, and I don't understand why the city let them. The whole landscaping plan seems to be skewed poles and random trees.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Osloborger

You have:


Looks significantly better. I can bear it if they mix it up with granite tiles, but if it turns out to be mostly asphalt then I will be quite disapointed.

This illustration belongs to Ruter#, and the only thing it "shows" is what's related to that company: Where the tram will go.

[Galro]

Looks much better anyway. I was under the impression that it was going to be like that. Sad to see that's not the case.

[OnTheNorthRoad]

Not exactly feeling the spruce/pine/whatever it is, at this location. Maybe it's easier to get things approved if they make it look like a forest? I mean, why?

[bookings]

Originally Posted by OnTheNorthRoad

Not exactly feeling the spruce/pine/whatever it is, at this location. Maybe it's easier to get things approved if they make it look like a forest? I mean, why?

hmm.. I've earlier been vocal about the need to think october-april also when planting trees, but this looks a bit strange, I agree. While I like it to be green year-round, there are many options if you don't want it to look like Koppang. Cypress, cedars, redwood, lower types of firs. In general, I think it's nice to think more "strip of botanical gardens" than to always just throw the same 2-3 types of trees everywhere. Also, trees right along the water makes it appear less cold. It's not always sunny in Oslo.

Again, what I would like to see more of: (montreux, switzerland)

pic: alpenglo at blogspot, sorry for the large size