FA Cup / League Cup 2011/2012

[Jonny Gee]

Originally Posted by JD47

No I am not at all. What I am saying is that a lot of people say they hate being English so why should they sing the national anthem.

Yeah you're right, some people do hate being English. Not singing the anthem: who cares?! But booing anthems (English or other) is moronic behaviour.

[albionfagan]

Originally Posted by JD47

So will you be supporting England in the Euros then.

Yer.

I'm not nationalistic in the slightest, but I'll follow England and want them to do well. I don't think we will until we totally change the way we play and I'm not a fervent fan, it won't effect my day if England go crashing out.

[Jonny Gee]

i'm not sure what some of the posts here are implying. where has this stereotype come from that all English people sing/should sing the national anthem?

i don't sing the anthem either, i don't know anyone who does. not jokingly and not with serious passion. but i won't ruin the anthem out of malice.

[clarky]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

The Queen is for southerners and Tories, fuck her the thief.

Not in Somerset,Gloucestershire,Devon and Cornwall (south west)

[Veinticinco]

To be honest I didn't even notice any booing. The fact that some people may have boo'd has no effect on my life or anybody else's whatsoever. I don't understand why it bothers you.

Any chance to have a good old moan about them fackin scarsas: taken.

[Khattab1]

Fuck the queen and her national anthem german bitch.

[Bigcat]

I didn't mean to start such debate and wasn't having a dig at scousers, I had never heard the anthem get booed before and didn't know if there was a reason behind it. Still doesn't seem to be much of a reason, not a fan of Britain or the Royals so boo??

Fair enough, if you don't like it don't sing it. I'm indifferent to it and didn't sing.

[Jonny Gee]

Originally Posted by Veinticinco

To be honest I didn't even notice any booing. The fact that some people may have boo'd has no effect on my life or anybody else's whatsoever. I don't understand why it bothers you.

Any chance to have a good old moan about them fackin scarsas: taken.

you could have just admitted that some scarsas act like total dickheads but instead you stayed with the clan and played the victim card.

taken: as standard.

[Jonny Gee]

ohhh i'm getting bitchy




time for a snickers

[Veinticinco]

Originally Posted by Jonny Gee

you could have just admitted that some scarsas act like total dickheads but instead you stayed with the clan and played the victim card.

taken: as standard.

It seems to be you who's playing the victim. You're upset because somebody boo'd the national anthem. It's not a big deal - you'll get through this.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by JD47

No I am not at all. What I am saying is that a lot of people say they hate being English so why should they sing the national anthem.

Sorry......but who, exactly, says that they hate being English?

And even if they do, Johnny is simply pointing out that there is a difference between not singing the national anthem and booing it. Nothing wrong with not singing if you don't want to. But booing is just seriously small time.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by bigchrisfgb

I don't sing the nation anthem for a number of reasons.

1: I'm athiest so I don't believe in God.

2: I believe in democracy not a monarchy.

3. This country is divided to those who are cared about in the south and those in North who don't matter and shouldn't really be thought about. As a result I don't believe I am a full citizen of England.

The national anthem is really outdated, I would never boo it though.

Only a few fans booed it and I would bet they were outnumbered by those who just decided not to sing it at all.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Quite apart from the UK and Commonwealth countries, there are another 20 or so constitutional monarchies around the world.

As to the north / south thing..............a can of worms, fella. Not one you want to be opening on this forum. Go to the Sky Bar and discuss it if you must.

[bigchrisfgb]

Originally Posted by JimB

Sorry......but who, exactly, says that they hate being English?

And even if they do, Johnny is simply pointing out that there is a difference between not singing the national anthem and booing it. Nothing wrong with not singing if you don't want to. But booing is just seriously small time.

I wouldn't say I hate being English, I just don't feel a full part of it. Theirs a divide between the North and the South and I believe I'm on the wrong side of that divide and intact the divide shouldn't even be there. However I was still given the privilege to free health care (which saved my life from the moment I was born), free education, free further education, entitlements when I fall on hard times etc so to say you hate being English is a harsh thing to say.

I just don't feel fully English.

[bigchrisfgb]

Originally Posted by JimB

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Quite apart from the UK and Commonwealth countries, there are another 20 or so constitutional monarchies around the world.

As to the north / south thing..............a can of worms, fella. Not one you want to be opening on this forum. Go to the Sky Bar and discuss it if you must.

I don't think a monarchy and true democracy can co-exist, unless you vote for your royal family.

Yeah your right on the North/South divide, well best I just leave it in anyway. It's a can of worms no matter where it's discussed.

[albionfagan]

Totally agree with chris.

You can't have real democracy with a monarch at the helm, even if they are largely symbolic they are still being elevated beyond everyone else simply because of their blood. Same goes for the rest of the aristocracy, time to abolish this archaic bullshit, how the hell can we be 'all in it together'.

[Jonny Gee]

Originally Posted by Veinticinco

It seems to be you who's playing the victim. You're upset because somebody boo'd the national anthem. It's not a big deal - you'll get through this.

and next month it'll be something else. and as sure as night follows day, scarsas will try to justify their malevolence by playing the victim card.

i'm trying to give you an insight into why your fans complain of not being liked. only trying to break the cycle.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Totally agree with chris.

You can't have real democracy with a monarch at the helm, even if they are largely symbolic they are still being elevated beyond everyone else simply because of their blood. Same goes for the rest of the aristocracy, time to abolish this archaic bullshit, how the hell can we be 'all in it together'.

"True democracy", "real democracy"..........these are concepts (or "Forms", as Plato would have described them) that don't exist other than as ideals in the imagination of men.

We all know what we mean by true democracy - just as we all know what we mean by a perfect circle - but it has never existed. Nor will it. Likewise the perfect circle.

So really, all that should matter to us are the practicalities of the matter. Do the people of the UK have a regular, free and fair vote to determine how and by whom they are governed? Yes. Does the monarch have any power that she or he could ever exercise if it ran counter to the will of the people? No.

Well, then. We have a democracy as good as you're likely to get anywhere.

Anyway, enough of this since it, too, belongs in the Sky Bar and not here.

[Jonny Gee]

Originally Posted by JimB

ideals in the imagination of men.

bingo Jimbo.

what is fully English?

you are what you think you are. i'm a Coventry mong with mixed Irish, Welsh, English ancestry, i hate loads about this country and i feel separated from time to time. but i'm still English.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Khattab1

Fuck the queen and her national anthem german bitch.

Was that really necessary?

Hate the institution of monarchy, if you like. But show a bit of respect to an octogenarian who was thrust into the role and who has devoted virtually her entire life to the service of the UK and Commonwealth.

She didn't ask to be Queen. It is a burden as much as - or even more than - it is a privilege. Hardly a moment to herself. Her family forever the subject of national and international scrutiny. But she has never complained and hardly ever put a foot wrong. Quite remarkable.

If only our politicians could be so reliable.

[Khattab1]

Originally Posted by JimB

Was that really necessary?

Hate the institution of monarchy, if you like. But show a bit of respect to an octogenarian who was thrust into the role and who has devoted virtually her entire life to the service of the UK and Commonwealth.

She didn't ask to be Queen. It is a burden as much as - or even more than - it is a privilege. Hardly a moment to herself. Her family forever the subject of national and international scrutiny. But she has never complained and hardly ever put a foot wrong. Quite remarkable.

Sorry but don't ask me to worship the queen leave that to the sheeple.Her family have reigned fear on this country and its people for thousands of years.