Lack of new infrastructure in Australia - Page 3

motion · May 2nd, 2012, 07:17 AM

labour costs have become so ridiculous its not funny anymore

Headline article in the paper today about how unskilled workers are basically the new skilled workers. Unskilled wages easily topple skilled wages and people without qualifications have now overtaken people with qualifications as higher earners..

A quick look on seek.com.au confirms this
For example:
admin staff/PA = 50-80k
Science related (skilled jobs) = 40-60k at most unless in senior position
Even pickpackers are making more than our scientist

There is absolutely NO reason what-so-ever that a secretary or receptionist should be on 50-80k. That is ridiculous.

MetropolOZ · May 2nd, 2012, 08:48 AM

The Building and construction union has flown under the radar for far too long. The public don't realise that the CFMEU is not a union for the battlers, but the reason why new homes and apartments cost so much, and why we can't afford new infastructure. I am all for a fair go and a safe workplace but these guys are robbing us all. The reason why their wages are so high is that the union has effectively created a monopoly in the building industry. Market forces are not in play here like most other industries, in effect inflating wages. Competition needs to be brought in somehow, and the industry will have to adjust like the rest of us already have.

ChrisJudd83 · May 2nd, 2012, 09:28 AM

Enough is Enough!!! These union thugs need to stop holding us to ransom. The unions don't seem to be all about a "fair go" to me. The only way is overseas workers which would result in a win-win for both respective countries and hopefully stop the rot. Other countries seem to be able to implement it successfully. Expect a near riot literally by the unions if this ever came close to fuition. Also inflating wages equals an inflated cost of living which hurts real Aussie battling families which these morons claim to represent.

ypph · May 3rd, 2012, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion

labour costs have become so ridiculous its not funny anymore

Headline article in the paper today about how unskilled workers are basically the new skilled workers. Unskilled wages easily topple skilled wages and people without qualifications have now overtaken people with qualifications as higher earners..

A quick look on seek.com.au confirms this
For example:
admin staff/PA = 50-80k
Science related (skilled jobs) = 40-60k at most unless in senior position
Even pickpackers are making more than our scientist

There is absolutely NO reason what-so-ever that a secretary or receptionist should be on 50-80k. That is ridiculous.

So a secretary has no skills?

motion · May 3rd, 2012, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ypph

So a secretary has no skills?

im sorry to say it is considered highly unskilled job. u can get all this info from govt. website. it shows around 7 categories admin is considered unskilled

what this means is anybody could do this job really, they may not do it as well as person X, but they can still fulfill the duties quite easily without any sort of formal training or skills required.

MetropolOZ · May 3rd, 2012, 09:55 AM

A low level admin worker can get as little as $38k, its legal to pay them less. A gun PA can get over 80k. In principle, I don't have a problem with the employer paying more if they believe they are getting value. In the building industry it's a one wage fits all, no matter if you hire a dud or a gun. Reason being is market forces are not in play, and a monopoly of labour sets the wages. That I have a problem with.

***Svartmetall*** · May 3rd, 2012, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion

labour costs have become so ridiculous its not funny anymore

Headline article in the paper today about how unskilled workers are basically the new skilled workers. Unskilled wages easily topple skilled wages and people without qualifications have now overtaken people with qualifications as higher earners..

A quick look on seek.com.au confirms this
For example:
admin staff/PA = 50-80k
Science related (skilled jobs) = 40-60k at most unless in senior position
Even pickpackers are making more than our scientist

There is absolutely NO reason what-so-ever that a secretary or receptionist should be on 50-80k. That is ridiculous.

Scientists are paid peanuts no matter where in the world you work. Trust me, you don't come into science to earn money. We beg and scrape and fawn to charities, governments and private donators or funds to give us money for research, get paid little money, work massively long hours and have the general public sneer at us whenever a scientist gets into the newspaper because armchair scientists know more than us and we just "make stuff up".

Sorry, bitter scientist rant over. Carry on!

fish.01 · May 3rd, 2012, 03:50 PM

The NBN is not just a cost like building a non tolled road. It is an asset that the govt will own, will derive large amounts of income from for us taxpayers and can sell to recoup the outlay.

Mobile phone downloads account for just 1.4% of internet traffic today. In the past 12 months the average wireless traffic growth per user grew 6%. Fixed broadband usage in the same period grew 80%. Also 70% of smartphone data usage is over Wifi, which of course is fixed broadband.

The need for a reliable, super fast backbone is just going to increase in the future. Optic fibre technology supports this - wireless does not and will not anywhere remotely close to the extent fibre can.

Providing a super fast broadband to the whole country will open so many new opportunities for Australian businesses to make money and for Australian governments to save money or provide better services. The fact that it will be fast and almost universal is the key.

KDreamer · May 3rd, 2012, 04:13 PM

I live in South Korea, and it is constantly ranked well above other leading nations in internet reports. It almost doubles No2 Japan's average internet d/l speeds. SK = around 17mbps, JP = 9.1mbps.

I can tell you, there are massive benefits that come from having a network such as the NBN. And it's NOT just about faster movie downloads or faster Starcraft. The way technology is integrated here is astounding, and I hold hope that Australia too, will be able to reach this point with aid of the NBN.

redbaron_012 · May 4th, 2012, 02:27 PM

Can the NBN bake in a bushfire? Erode in an earthquake ? or frazzle in a flood ? just wondering ?
Just wish Australia was as big as South Korea...... If we went to the next stage of linking Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.......hmm and a link to Hobart the rest of the country could cope with Satellite links. Just seems crazy to me to run fibre to farm houses in the middle of the outback when many of them wouldn't use it anyway...........Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy.

fish.01 · May 5th, 2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by redbaron_012

Can the NBN bake in a bushfire? Erode in an earthquake ? or frazzle in a flood ? just wondering ?
Just wish Australia was as big as South Korea...... If we went to the next stage of linking Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.......hmm and a link to Hobart the rest of the country could cope with Satellite links. Just seems crazy to me to run fibre to farm houses in the middle of the outback when many of them wouldn't use it anyway...........Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy.

Fibre isn't going to farm houses in the middle of the outback, they are using satellite?

Morjo · May 5th, 2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fish.01

Fibre isn't going to farm houses in the middle of the outback, they are using satellite?

Yup wireless for the outback. Too expensive to put fibre everywhere.

Hegemonic · May 5th, 2012, 08:52 AM

Fibre is going to 93% of Australian households according to NBNCo.

The rest is satalite service subsidised by the government so no one will be worse off from a cost point of view no matter where ever they live.

onejuicyone · May 5th, 2012, 08:06 PM

[QUOTE=redbaron_012;91061330]Can the NBN bake in a bushfire? Erode in an earthquake ? or frazzle in a flood ? just wondering ?
Just wish Australia was as big as South Korea...... If we went to the next stage of linking Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.......hmm and a link to Hobart the rest of the country could cope with Satellite links. Just seems crazy to me to run fibre to farm houses in the middle of the outback when many of them wouldn't use it anyway...........Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy.

[getting a decent internet package (I:e fast/Unlimited usage) in Oz is ridiculously expensive IMO ] that probably has a lot to do with the slow uptake

KJBrissy · May 7th, 2012, 06:55 AM

I thought it was essentially the same cost as an ADSL package.

SamTheMan · May 8th, 2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by onejuicyone

Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy.

Because there was no plan in place to migrate customers from copper to the NBN when "trials" (and trials is all they were) were rolled out of course there would be a slow take up rate. Come 2018 the copper network will be decommissioned and you'll have an NBN connection or you won't. There will not be a copper network. It will force customers to migrate whereas the trial did not force customers to migrate.

An Exetel NBN Plan that compares to current ADSL2+ (25/2 100GB) which includes a VoIP plan for calls at 10c untimed OZ wide can be obtained for $50 per month. Seems pretty competative to me.

KDreamer · May 11th, 2012, 04:08 PM

A really interesting podcast on growing Australia's population and why the government has trouble matching it with the required infrastructure.

The second half talks more about the infrastructure side of things.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...alia3f/3976034

May 4th, 2012, 02:27 PM	#50
redbaron_012 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 6,068 Likes (Received): 119	Can the NBN bake in a bushfire? Erode in an earthquake ? or frazzle in a flood ? just wondering ? Just wish Australia was as big as South Korea...... If we went to the next stage of linking Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.......hmm and a link to Hobart the rest of the country could cope with Satellite links. Just seems crazy to me to run fibre to farm houses in the middle of the outback when many of them wouldn't use it anyway...........Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy. __________________ "Make no small plans, for they have not power to stir the blood" - Daniel H. Burnham

May 5th, 2012, 08:06 PM	#54
onejuicyone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 32 Likes (Received): 2	[QUOTE=redbaron_012;91061330]Can the NBN bake in a bushfire? Erode in an earthquake ? or frazzle in a flood ? just wondering ? Just wish Australia was as big as South Korea...... If we went to the next stage of linking Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide.......hmm and a link to Hobart the rest of the country could cope with Satellite links. Just seems crazy to me to run fibre to farm houses in the middle of the outback when many of them wouldn't use it anyway...........Heck, many homes in suburbia wont use it. The take up rate in areas already laid is pretty lousy. [getting a decent internet package (I:e fast/Unlimited usage) in Oz is ridiculously expensive IMO ] that probably has a lot to do with the slow uptake Last edited by onejuicyone; May 5th, 2012 at 08:08 PM. Reason: ?

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KJBrissy ........... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,362 Likes (Received): 138	I thought it was essentially the same cost as an ADSL package. __________________ "Traditionally what has hurt people has not been rising interest rates but rising unemployment. I don't care what rate you're paying, if you have a mortgage five times your income and you lose your job, you're toast." Gerard Minack, chief economist at Morgan Stanley.

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May 2nd, 2012, 07:17 AM	#41
motion Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 578 Likes (Received): 4	labour costs have become so ridiculous its not funny anymore Headline article in the paper today about how unskilled workers are basically the new skilled workers. Unskilled wages easily topple skilled wages and people without qualifications have now overtaken people with qualifications as higher earners.. A quick look on seek.com.au confirms this For example: admin staff/PA = 50-80k Science related (skilled jobs) = 40-60k at most unless in senior position Even pickpackers are making more than our scientist There is absolutely NO reason what-so-ever that a secretary or receptionist should be on 50-80k. That is ridiculous.

May 2nd, 2012, 08:48 AM	#42
MetropolOZ Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 100 Likes (Received): 0	The Building and construction union has flown under the radar for far too long. The public don't realise that the CFMEU is not a union for the battlers, but the reason why new homes and apartments cost so much, and why we can't afford new infastructure. I am all for a fair go and a safe workplace but these guys are robbing us all. The reason why their wages are so high is that the union has effectively created a monopoly in the building industry. Market forces are not in play here like most other industries, in effect inflating wages. Competition needs to be brought in somehow, and the industry will have to adjust like the rest of us already have.

May 2nd, 2012, 09:28 AM	#43
ChrisJudd83 BANNED Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Perth Posts: 372 Likes (Received): 0	Enough is Enough!!! These union thugs need to stop holding us to ransom. The unions don't seem to be all about a "fair go" to me. The only way is overseas workers which would result in a win-win for both respective countries and hopefully stop the rot. Other countries seem to be able to implement it successfully. Expect a near riot literally by the unions if this ever came close to fuition. Also inflating wages equals an inflated cost of living which hurts real Aussie battling families which these morons claim to represent.

May 3rd, 2012, 09:55 AM	#46
MetropolOZ Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 100 Likes (Received): 0	A low level admin worker can get as little as $38k, its legal to pay them less. A gun PA can get over 80k. In principle, I don't have a problem with the employer paying more if they believe they are getting value. In the building industry it's a one wage fits all, no matter if you hire a dud or a gun. Reason being is market forces are not in play, and a monopoly of labour sets the wages. That I have a problem with.

May 3rd, 2012, 03:50 PM	#48
fish.01 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 736 Likes (Received): 21	The NBN is not just a cost like building a non tolled road. It is an asset that the govt will own, will derive large amounts of income from for us taxpayers and can sell to recoup the outlay. Mobile phone downloads account for just 1.4% of internet traffic today. In the past 12 months the average wireless traffic growth per user grew 6%. Fixed broadband usage in the same period grew 80%. Also 70% of smartphone data usage is over Wifi, which of course is fixed broadband. The need for a reliable, super fast backbone is just going to increase in the future. Optic fibre technology supports this - wireless does not and will not anywhere remotely close to the extent fibre can. Providing a super fast broadband to the whole country will open so many new opportunities for Australian businesses to make money and for Australian governments to save money or provide better services. The fact that it will be fast and almost universal is the key.

May 3rd, 2012, 04:13 PM	#49
KDreamer 한국에 사는 濠洲人 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 548 Likes (Received): 36	I live in South Korea, and it is constantly ranked well above other leading nations in internet reports. It almost doubles No2 Japan's average internet d/l speeds. SK = around 17mbps, JP = 9.1mbps. I can tell you, there are massive benefits that come from having a network such as the NBN. And it's NOT just about faster movie downloads or faster Starcraft. The way technology is integrated here is astounding, and I hold hope that Australia too, will be able to reach this point with aid of the NBN.

May 5th, 2012, 08:52 AM	#53
Hegemonic Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 428 Likes (Received): 16	Fibre is going to 93% of Australian households according to NBNCo. The rest is satalite service subsidised by the government so no one will be worse off from a cost point of view no matter where ever they live.

May 11th, 2012, 04:08 PM	#57
KDreamer 한국에 사는 濠洲人 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 548 Likes (Received): 36	A really interesting podcast on growing Australia's population and why the government has trouble matching it with the required infrastructure. The second half talks more about the infrastructure side of things. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...alia3f/3976034