Philippine Defense Forces

[d7beast]

the commies have short memories or they simply have very little world events and history in their country but an scripted and fake history taught in all levels of education in the country,..anyway if they want to validate the history they missed out, they can start the shooting war and let's see how they can make themselves a new ally to the Philippines, it's gonna be a painful process if they just read the history books,..

[Lilyr]

Ah the Pad Thais.

A split within ASEAN is already evident, with Cambodia, the current ASEAN chair, Laos, Myanmar and even Thailand, the US’ oldest ally in Asia, all adopting neutral or pro-China positions in the face of appeals for support from the Philippines. None of these four ASEAN countries have claims in the South China Sea and all regard China as a key trade, investment and tourism partner.
Following a recent visit by Thailand’s defence minister and all the service chiefs to China, the Bangkok Post quoted an unnamed high-ranking source in the defence ministry as saying that “under present circumstances, we have to stay closer to our relative (China) than the close friend (America) who is far away.”..

The pepper-eating surrender monkeys of Asia
Too bad Papa Sugar already knows your true colors. They're just not telling ya

[hugodiekonig]

Originally Posted by Lilyr

Ah the Pad Thais.



The pepper-eating surrender monkeys of Asia
Too bad Papa Sugar already knows your true colors. They're just not telling ya

and that is shining through!

[d7beast]

let's abrogate one china policy and favor taiwan if the commies does not stop bullying the philippines!!! on the other hand, abrogate the VFA and the 1951 MDT if the US cannot help us during these times of bullying from the commies or if the commies start shooting at us and they just sit on the fence!!!better yet, let's start building a new alliance with countries supportive or with close ties and of same situation with us like vietnam and india, and source out defense alliance with the Russians,..

[d7beast]

Originally Posted by Toyman

Hate to say it, but it looks scarborough shoal itself is lost.


I doubt this will actually escalate into war, but fact is china is using its larger navy to claim all the disputed areas. 2 vessels against 30 isnt gonna cut it.


Its only a matter of time before they go ahead and do the same thing in the rest of the sea.


All these asean countries which couldn't be interested to take a stand - well at least we get to eventually see china occupy their land as well lol.



Also, odd how china is accusing the philippines of escalating the situation, when they are the ones with 30 vessels in the area; as compared to just 2

isa lang solution jan, kargahan na ng chemical weapons yung dalawang barko at pag nag umpisa cla, i-detonate remotely on the event of a "broken arrow"!,..san pa cla pupulutin, buo nga mga barko nila ubus naman mga pirata!!!tas kuhanin nalang natin yung mga barko nila ng alang kalabanlaban,..

[Nabartek]

Originally Posted by Lilyr

Ah the Pad Thais.



The pepper-eating surrender monkeys of Asia
Too bad Papa Sugar already knows your true colors. They're just not telling ya

Not surprising, this stuff is written in their history. Land of the free my ass. Hehehe

[Toyman]

Originally Posted by Lilyr

Ah the Pad Thais.



The pepper-eating surrender monkeys of Asia
Too bad Papa Sugar already knows your true colors. They're just not telling ya

this should not come as a surprise though; ASEAN actually has no use, and is more of a formality than anything else.

To be honest, it would have been nice to have their support, although I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make. Asean is not like the EU, where they actually are well integrated and can guarantee each other's sovereignty.

As I said about a week ago, the only country in asean that would have an interest in this is vietnam, and even they probably only care about their claim which afaik does not include scarborough.

In a few years, we might see malaysia and brunei's waters getting violated, but of course it will be too late by then to do anything



My opinion is this: Enough with appealing for help - we have a potential US guarantee, and we shouldn't expect others to support our claims - if they choose to ignore us, then we have to accept it and should they ever face a similar situation in the future, we will have to kindly extend the same courtesy. As for scarborough, it is probably a lost cause now - too many chinese vessels - i would honestly just pull back and not give them an excuse to start anything. Start concentrating on building up the spratlys defense so we can at least extract some of the resources in the sea.

[waraywaray architect]

Let us not wait for the real war to occur. Filipinos shoud unite now. OFW's, locals, filipinos in diaspora... Start the war bonds now! No time for procastination nor complacency. As soon as this thing get started I will contribute! Spread the word until it reaches our government!

[El_Toro]

Scarborough standoff: China - 30 vessels; Philippines - 2...

hiyang hiya naman kami sa inyo China, at kami pa ang pagsabihan na "Stop escalating the disputes." yung mga nasa malacanang diyan 3 pa yun public relations secretary gamitin nyo naman yung galing nyo sa PR at imedia brigade ang China, yun nalang ang sandata natin...

[Nabartek]

A live media coverage is needed to counter chinese lies

[M46Fr3D]

Originally Posted by Toyman

this should not come as a surprise though; ASEAN actually has no use, and is more of a formality than anything else.

To be honest, it would have been nice to have their support, although I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make. Asean is not like the EU, where they actually are well integrated and can guarantee each other's sovereignty.

As I said about a week ago, the only country in asean that would have an interest in this is vietnam, and even they probably only care about their claim which afaik does not include scarborough.

In a few years, we might see malaysia and brunei's waters getting violated, but of course it will be too late by then to do anything



My opinion is this: Enough with appealing for help - we have a potential US guarantee, and we shouldn't expect others to support our claims - if they choose to ignore us, then we have to accept it and should they ever face a similar situation in the future, we will have to kindly extend the same courtesy. As for scarborough, it is probably a lost cause now - too many chinese vessels - i would honestly just pull back and not give them an excuse to start anything. Start concentrating on building up the spratlys defense so we can at least extract some of the resources in the sea.

I beg to disagree on pulling out our vessels. It is already late to do that. Let us stand our ground and ready for whatever consequences. Our forefathers bled for this country of ours. Let us do the same if reality calls for it.

[Toyman]

Originally Posted by Nabartek

A live media coverage is needed to counter chinese lies

The problem with live media coverage is that china will view it as escalating the situation.



While i disagree with what china is doing, i think the philippines has made several mistakes here

a) Declaring intent to arrest the fishermen last month was, in my opinion, unnecessary. Our response should have been to merely send a coast guard vessel and encourage more fishermen to fish there. Declaring the intent to arrest was viewed as harassment by the chinese and now they have 30 vessels there, and have effectively taken the shoal by force. Had we not outright made a declaration, i don't think it would have come to this - whereas it was disputed before, scarborough is now effectively chinese.

b) Asking for help - I dont see anything wrong with going to the US to reaffirm the mutual defense pact - but lobbying for support from other asean countries is escalating the situation in a way. I think this lobbying for support makes the philippines appear weak and furthermore, it is futile - if asean really cared about it, they would have done something about it 10-15 years ago. We shouldn't depend on them.

c) I think demonstrations are also a bad idea. Its clear as day that china does not care at all about what other people think about their claim. Rather than waste energy on a protest, i think we'd be better off planning what can be done to secure as much of the resources in the sea as possible.

[Nabartek]

Originally Posted by M46Fr3D

I beg to disagree on pulling out our vessels. It is already late to do that. Let us stand our ground and ready for whatever consequences. Our forefathers bled for this country of ours. Let us do the same if reality calls for it.

Wala nang bawian

[Toyman]

Originally Posted by M46Fr3D

I beg to disagree on pulling out our vessels. It is already late to do that. Let us stand our ground and ready for whatever consequences. Our forefathers bled for this country of ours. Let us do the same if reality calls for it.

I can undersstand your viewpoint - but is it worth risking a conflict over a rock in the middle of the sea?

Ever since this standoff began - china has sent loads of vessels, all we have done is sit there with the same 2 vessels - not because we want to, but because there is nothing more we can do.

What are the 2 vessels really going to do there? If we had more fishermen, there would be a point - but our fishermen are clearly worried about the situation and arn't entirely confident in the coast guard's ability to guarantee their safety.


The best case scenario is that they sit there and do nothing.

The worst case is that all the crew lose their lives over a rock.

[Nabartek]

Originally Posted by Toyman

I can undersstand your viewpoint - but is it worth risking a conflict over a rock in the middle of the sea?

Ever since this standoff began - china has sent loads of vessels, all we have done is sit there with the same 2 vessels - not because we want to, but because there is nothing more we can do.

What are the 2 vessels really going to do there? If we had more fishermen, there would be a point - but our fishermen are clearly worried about the situation and arn't entirely confident in the coast guard's ability to guarantee their safety.


The best case scenario is that they sit there and do nothing.

The worst case is that all the crew lose their lives over a rock.

In some sense, it does. At least we are sending the message that china cant just get what it wants and it some sense it is indeed a wake up call. You see when we lost the mischief reef, we did nothing. We even almost lost the scarborough in 1997. It also buys us time to upgrade our defenses and gather international empathy.

This "war" is not merely military. It is much so political and psychological. Standing up to china with just 2 ships has psychological effects on the mainland people. They will start to wonder why the ccp is being "held up" by a teeny weeny country. Our Presence will lead to their own self destruction. In pdff, these was a translated title where the chinese media said we already raised the white flag. Hahaha.

[Nabartek]

Let us remember the psychological effects of the vietnam war to the americans. The vietnamese casualties were in millions while the american casualties were in the tens of thousands, but guess who had to pull out. The vietnam conflict deeply affected the american psyche.

[Lilyr]

Originally Posted by Nabartek

Wala nang bawian

Nabs, your favorite Manila Standard author is being parroted by Chinese media.

Philippine President Aquino plays tough over China's Huangyan Island to revive popularity: author

English.news.cn 2012-05-09 17:18:03 MANILA, May 9 (Xinhua) -- The Philippines' tough stance in its recent confrontation with China over Huangyan Island is an attempt by the Aquino administration to revive its dwindling popularity, author Victor N. Arches II told Xinhua Wednesday.

Looks like SkyMasters won't be fiction after all. There's a Red carpet welcome already waiting for Chicoms.

[Nabartek]

Originally Posted by Lilyr

Nabs, your favorite Manila Standard author is being parroted by Chinese media.



Looks like SkyMasters won't be fiction after all. There's a Red carpet welcome already waiting for Chicoms.

Reviveits dwindling popularity? They smoking something... No maybe they're taking morphine? Hehehehe

[M46Fr3D]

Originally Posted by Toyman

I can undersstand your viewpoint - but is it worth risking a conflict over a rock in the middle of the sea?

Ever since this standoff began - china has sent loads of vessels, all we have done is sit there with the same 2 vessels - not because we want to, but because there is nothing more we can do.

What are the 2 vessels really going to do there? If we had more fishermen, there would be a point - but our fishermen are clearly worried about the situation and arn't entirely confident in the coast guard's ability to guarantee their safety.


The best case scenario is that they sit there and do nothing.

The worst case is that all the crew lose their lives over a rock.

Thanks for understanding my view. To answer your question, Yes it is. Every rock on that area is worth fighting for. If China will be able to capture that area, they for sure will create structures there and they can see Manila and any part of the country by just looking at their windows. Second, they will use that structure as jump off point in invading other areas in WPS. Third, they will have control over that busy sealane and can effectively manipulate and control smuggling and drug trafficking.

If Australia is intelligent enough, they should realized by now that they will be a missile away if that area is captured by China. I know you might think that i am delusional but lets just wait and see.

[AmbutLang]

Originally Posted by Nabartek

Interesting

This guy is talking a lot of nonsense and full of sh*t.

First the sending and flooding the U.S. a lot of fake name brand clothings.
-China do not have food program which guaranty that all its citizen had available food on the table.
-Why are the suppressing the freedom of information to the general and freedom of speech to the public.
-Their military personnel are working like and treated like working in a sweat shop.