What is the murder rate in your city?

[shree711]

Originally Posted by CigarSmoke

Fair enough. To be honest, the strict gun control is probably what keeps the actual murder rate down.

When it comes to over-all safety, which major European city would you say is the safest?

Zurich or Geneva?

[Jeanbonnau]

I know the fucking rate in Paris but not the murder rate. By the way, this thread is penetrating.

[Romashka01]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Valletta? In Malta? Wow that's nice. Must be in the positive culture of the people or an effective police force? or both?

Regardless that is impressive. Must be a safe paradise to be in a place where there is ZERO VIOLENT CRIME

Malta is a deeply religious country, with very traditional values and norms.

[Fabio1976]

http://www.seguridadjusticiaypaz.org...rez-la-segunda

[Baleares]

My State Pernambuco 2005: 68/100.000
My State Pernambuco 2010: 37/100.000

My City Recife 2005: 59/100.000
My City Recife 2010: 30/100.000

very very very high. But at least, its dropping very fast!

[Briss]

Poznan poland 1,8homicides per 100,000

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Romashka01

Malta is a deeply religious country, with very traditional values and norms.

Ah I see. Well in any case, I know that having a ZERO CRIME is very very difficult to obtain and achieve. Nevertheless, hopefully they can keep it up.

Same to Monaco as well........though I guess too many people there are winning by gambling........so obviously no point people killing each other over there. I guess it's a win-win (money and public safety/security)

Originally Posted by Baleares

My State Pernambuco 2005: 68/100.000
My State Pernambuco 2010: 37/100.000

My City Recife 2005: 59/100.000
My City Recife 2010: 30/100.000

very very very high. But at least, its dropping very fast!

Yup, the disparity is huge compared to safer places like Sao Paulo. Still, any improvement is positive news indeed.

Btw, is your area also part of FIFA Brazil 2014 and/or Brazil Olympics 2016? If so, then I guess your police force is beefing up security big time in preparation for those events.

Moving on

Originally Posted by Brzezinski112

The murder rate of Mexico City is 2.5

That's good to know. Seems like a relatively safe place in Mexico............and definitely a big contrast compared to say Ciudad Juarez (which has like what......more than 100 people killed for ever 100k inhabitants)

Anyways
Thankfully, from what I've read in the internet, it appears that the drug cartels appear to stay away from places like Toluca, State of Mexico.......and Distrito Federal among others. In fact, here's one visual diagram that attempts to distinguish the safe places from the unsafe:



The problem that could arise though is that once security in certain areas are tightened up (like the areas near the US-Mexico border), there is a worry that these cartels may look for new places to continue their illicit activities.......and sadly, their killing sprees as well. In short, those lawless elements *might* start moving to the safe areas.

Just think about it. In a dangerous district like Guerrero, only a few places (like tourist spots such as Acapulco) are the only safe places there. Unfortunately, these drug lord maniacs have no regard for human life so who knows what kind of insanity they might do.

Hopefully though, that doesn't happen. Instead, hopefully one day, all these Mexican drug lords will either be arrested or killed on-the-spot.

P.S.
Does anyone have violent crime rate statistics for Puerto Rico?

How's the level of safety and security there? (especially in the capital San Juan as well as in the city of Aguadilla)

[Baleares]

Yes they're working to get much less homicides rates by 2014. I can say that there is a likelihood that the homicide rate in Recife in 2014 will be around 20 to 22 /100.000.

But security will not be complete until we stop the entrance of narcotics, across our borders. Brazil has not always been a violent country, so perhaps there is hope that one day it'll return to be a safe country. For now, every year more than 40,000 people are murdered in Brazil. At least the number is dropping.

Our Homicide Rate dropped to 22,7 in 2009. 2011 data were not disclosed.

You can find all countries murder rates here:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-...e_2011_web.pdf

[bhagavadgita]

Milwaukee, WI (28)

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/m...149534275.html

[Aaronj09]

A dead body was found near my house in the woods last month.

It's not being treated as suspicious though.

So far this year, I believe there's been 3 murders in the City district.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by Baleares

My State Pernambuco 2005: 68/100.000
My State Pernambuco 2010: 37/100.000

My City Recife 2005: 59/100.000
My City Recife 2010: 30/100.000

very very very high. But at least, its dropping very fast!

dude those figures make no sense. according to this:

pernambuco 2005: 51/100.000
pernambuco 2010: 39/100.000

recife 2005: 73/100.000
recife 2010: 51/100.000

http://www.sangari.com/mapadaviolenc...pa2012_web.pdf

(page 25 and 35)

i use metro areas for a number of reasons. you look like youve confused pernambuco state wiyth recife but even so, your declines look way exaggerated.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by Baleares

Yes they're working to get much less homicides rates by 2014. I can say that there is a likelihood that the homicide rate in Recife in 2014 will be around 20 to 22 /100.000.

But security will not be complete until we stop the entrance of narcotics, across our borders. Brazil has not always been a violent country, so perhaps there is hope that one day it'll return to be a safe country. For now, every year more than 40,000 people are murdered in Brazil. At least the number is dropping.

Our Homicide Rate dropped to 22,7 in 2009. 2011 data were not disclosed.

You can find all countries murder rates here:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-...e_2011_web.pdf

you cant predict the murder will be 20 to 22 seriously thats ridiculous, youre way too optimistic. ive had these disagreements on here with people before posting dubiously low murder rates for their city or country/impossible predictions etc. its not right to fuck about with statistics for people getting killed.

how do you know murders vwont go back up? it seems as though youve made your mind up that the rate for recife will be 20 or just over, i'll be flabbergasted if it's anywhere near that low.

2009 was brazil's worst year on record in absolute terms with 51,434 murders - the rate was 27 per 100,000 and it was the same in 2010. it hit a low of 25 i believe in 2007.

nothing against ya, just baffled by your stats.

mexico city's murder rate is about 14 per 100,000, this is to the dude above you lol he believes that guy who said its 2.5.

acapulco is hardly safe the whole guerrero region is dangerous i think.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by Motul

Its an interesting point you raise, and worth looking into.. But for now I'll choose to believe the official figures, since for us who live here or visit often the overall security situation feels much improved and increasingly tolerable..

sir, you have missed the point. there are three official sources that have national coverage. two of the sources all of a sudden (I've found the DANE stats) disagree with the police - very suddenly from 2009 onwards theyve gone in completely different directions. the police statistics are the ones you are using.

how many tourists and other foreigners have been murdered in colombia since 2008? the innocent american shot and killed in a medellin robbery just the other day is the latest in a long line. it's no coincidence that its happened after 2008.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by courier

From the FBI. They are the murder rates for the officially-defined metropolitan areas of those cities as opposed to the central city figures that are always much higher and are therefore used by people trying to show that the U. S. has cities whose murder rates are comparable to those of Río de Janeiro, etc. They carefully select the worst core cities and compare them with huge urban conglomerations in other countries. There are no metropolitan areas in the U. S. with murder rates anywhere close to the foreign ones shown on the list. (The murder rate for metropolitan Nashville in 2010 was 6.2/100,000.)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-6

yeah. what i would say though is us cities (metro areas) often include a lot of rural area around the urbanized area compared to a lot of countries. i talked about this before on here under another account i had.

thats the only thing i would slightly quibble with but detroit and baltimore are pretty dense for us standards. detroit's metro population and density is very similar to belo horizonte, brazil. there are different definitions of metro detroit, some include flint, others include windsor. the fbi use the one that excludes those two.

if you added jefferson parish on to new orleans parish even ignoring the remaining, mostly rural parishes that make up the rest of the new orleans metro, the murder rate drops to 25 to 30 per 100,000 i believe.

[Motul]

Originally Posted by fuzzer

sir, you have missed the point. there are three official sources that have national coverage. two of the sources all of a sudden (I've found the DANE stats) disagree with the police - very suddenly from 2009 onwards theyve gone in completely different directions. the police statistics are the ones you are using.

how many tourists and other foreigners have been murdered in colombia since 2008? the innocent american shot and killed in a medellin robbery just the other day is the latest in a long line. it's no coincidence that its happened after 2008.

What do murdered tourists have to do with it? Out of 3 million tourists every year a couple get murdered and that's supposed to mean something?

Also, both legal medicine AND the Police (these are the two primary sources, DANE simply collects data from them) give roughly the same numbers of murders, so what you are saying is BS.

I have sources and such, but too lazy to make an effort to show them to a troll.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by Motul

What do murdered tourists have to do with it? Out of 3 million tourists every year a couple get murdered and that's supposed to mean something?

Also, both legal medicine AND the Police (these are the two primary sources, DANE simply collects data from them) give roughly the same numbers of murders, so what you are saying is BS.

I have sources and such, but too lazy to make an effort to show them to a troll.

well i can easily show you the sources you speak of, i might do that since you dont seem to be aware of what they actually state. why dide the DANE and INML increase murders by 2,500 and 3,000 in 2009 and the police decrease it by 300/400? That's a massive discrepancy. these are the figures youre using, the police decreases have suddenly fallen back in line in 2010/2011 with the INML and DaANE but from 2,000 to 4,000 less homicides respectively.

why are you usin g their stats and misleading people on here? it doesnt add up. im curious, theres really no excuse for using them thats all im asking.

[fuzzer]

Originally Posted by Baleares

For now, every year more than 40,000 people are murdered in Brazil. At least the number is dropping.

ive just realised the 2010 statistics for brazil have been consolidated.

2003: 51,043
2004: 48,374
2005: 47,578
2006: 49,145
2007: 47,707
2008: 50,113
2009: 51,434
2010: 52,260

http://tabnet.datasus.gov.br/cgi/tab...nv/ext10br.def

it looks as though its going up. what doi you make of this?

[Blackraven]

I was reading that UN homicide report and it got me thinking and daydreaming about something:

Maybe my perception of whether a country is safe or unsafe (at least with regards to violent crime/murder/homicide) is probably shaped on whether I should drive a Jaguar XJ in that said country/territory.



For those who don't know, the Jaguar XJ (X351) is a superb vehicle......especially if you get say the Supersport version with 20 inch Mataiva wheels.

Problem with Jaguar vehicles though is that, even if they have tons of features along with stunning design inside & out, well.........their reliability is questionable. A lot of Jaguar XFs and some new XJ (X351) vehicles have lousy electronics that go fuzzy and sometimes, the cars actually stall and their batteries die out.

Hence, such a situation becomes bad if your car stalls and you are in a crime-infested area. Wrong place wrong time kinda thing.

So when I'm faced with the dilemma, it's either I would drive a Jag......or a German premium brand (e.g. Audi, BMW or MB).........or otherwise, I would choose a Lexus.

Here's what I've thought of:

Avoid Jaguar XJ
USA: Drive Lexus
Canada: Probably Lexus.....or maybe the Germans would be okay
Mexico: Definitely Lexus (if your Jag stalls, the drug cartels might kill you)
Puerto Rico: Lexus (though sadly, a man in a Lexus was shot dead in San Juan last year and woman in a Lexus almost got robbed but thankfully rammed her Lexus against the perpetrator)
South Africa: Lexus (SA violent crime is a mixed bag; some places like Gauteng are safe......but other areas like Port Elizabeth are crime infested)
Nigeria: Lexus
Bangladesh: Lexus
India: Lexus
Pakistan: Lexus

Drive Jaguar XJ:
United Kingdom: Definitely Jaguar
Ireland: Definitely Jaguar
Malta: Recommended would be Jaguar.......though I wonder if there's a dealership there
Rest of European Union: I would still be safe with the Jaguar
Singapore: Safe to drive a Jag
Malaysia: Safe to drive a Jag
Australia and New Zealand: Seems safe enough to drive a Jag
SAR territories (Hong Kong/Macau): Absolutely safe to drive a Jag
Mainland China: Safe enough (even if 10k+ murders a year over there, the murder rate is only like less than 2.0.....because of the huge overall population; that and I doubt any Mainland Chinese would want to kill me and steal my XJ)

Unsure/Neutral:
Philippines: Probably in some areas only (i.e. Makati, Fort Bonifacio, Eastwood City); AVOID Taft Avenue and the squatter areas of Tondo (where the 'icepick' hoodlums are)
Thailand: Unsure
Indonesia: Unsure
Rest of Europe (outside EU): Hmm.......I dunno. I'm not familiar with those areas
GCC Middle East: Unsure.....BUT not because of crime. I'm worried that the extreme heat of the GCC Middle East is too much for the Jag to handle (i.e. like the Range Rover Evoque that caught fire in Dubai)

So I guess, in some places where violent crime levels are relatively high, I guess I should just rent a Lexus just to be safe. Sure, Lexus (i.e. LS460) is very reliable.......but I don't think it has the same dynamism or excitment that an XJ Supersport can provide.

So I guess in that sense, for some places, I can't have my cake and eat it just yet.

Anyways, it's just a random thought I had in mind

[Taller, Better]

We've had 19 homicides so far this year in Toronto.

[shree711]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I was reading that UN homicide report and it got me thinking and daydreaming about something:

Maybe my perception of whether a country is safe or unsafe (at least with regards to violent crime/murder/homicide) is probably shaped on whether I should drive a Jaguar XJ in that said country/territory.

For those who don't know, the Jaguar XJ (X351) is a superb vehicle......especially if you get say the Supersport version with 20 inch Mataiva wheels.

Problem with Jaguar vehicles though is that, even if they have tons of features along with stunning design inside & out, well.........their reliability is questionable. A lot of Jaguar XFs and some new XJ (X351) vehicles have lousy electronics that go fuzzy and sometimes, the cars actually stall and their batteries die out.

Hence, such a situation becomes bad if your car stalls and you are in a crime-infested area. Wrong place wrong time kinda thing.

So when I'm faced with the dilemma, it's either I would drive a Jag......or a German premium brand (e.g. Audi, BMW or MB).........or otherwise, I would choose a Lexus.

Here's what I've thought of:

Avoid Jaguar XJ
USA: Drive Lexus
Canada: Probably Lexus.....or maybe the Germans would be okay
Mexico: Definitely Lexus (if your Jag stalls, the drug cartels might kill you)
Puerto Rico: Lexus (though sadly, a man in a Lexus was shot dead in San Juan last year and woman in a Lexus almost got robbed but thankfully rammed her Lexus against the perpetrator)
South Africa: Lexus (SA violent crime is a mixed bag; some places like Gauteng are safe......but other areas like Port Elizabeth are crime infested)
Nigeria: Lexus
Bangladesh: Lexus
India: Lexus
Pakistan: Lexus

Drive Jaguar XJ:
United Kingdom: Definitely Jaguar
Ireland: Definitely Jaguar
Malta: Recommended would be Jaguar.......though I wonder if there's a dealership there
Rest of European Union: I would still be safe with the Jaguar
Singapore: Safe to drive a Jag
Malaysia: Safe to drive a Jag
Australia and New Zealand: Seems safe enough to drive a Jag
SAR territories (Hong Kong/Macau): Absolutely safe to drive a Jag
Mainland China: Safe enough (even if 10k+ murders a year over there, the murder rate is only like less than 2.0.....because of the huge overall population; that and I doubt any Mainland Chinese would want to kill me and steal my XJ)

Unsure/Neutral:
Philippines: Probably in some areas only (i.e. Makati, Fort Bonifacio, Eastwood City); AVOID Taft Avenue and the squatter areas of Tondo (where the 'icepick' hoodlums are)
Thailand: Unsure
Indonesia: Unsure
Rest of Europe (outside EU): Hmm.......I dunno. I'm not familiar with those areas
GCC Middle East: Unsure.....BUT not because of crime. I'm worried that the extreme heat of the GCC Middle East is too much for the Jag to handle (i.e. like the Range Rover Evoque that caught fire in Dubai)

So I guess, in some places where violent crime levels are relatively high, I guess I should just rent a Lexus just to be safe. Sure, Lexus (i.e. LS460) is very reliable.......but I don't think it has the same dynamism or excitment that an XJ Supersport can provide.

So I guess in that sense, for some places, I can't have my cake and eat it just yet.

Anyways, it's just a random thought I had in mind

I shall comment on this in a bit because it seems like something I've thought about too.