NZ | Population Statistics Thread

[DML2]

very concerning demographics. Good for those worried about housing affordability though

[Urbania]

It is a bit concerning. Over on the Oz population thread, a newspaper article mentioned 25,000 New Zealanders came across the Tasman last year...

[SYDNEY]

Originally Posted by Urbania

It is a bit concerning. Over on the Oz population thread, a newspaper article mentioned 25,000 New Zealanders came across the Tasman last year...

53,000 Moved across the Tasman in the year to February. That is 1.1% of NZ's entire population - not a big worry at all. I see it as a positive for NZ ... growth is sustainable and our unemployment figures would have been much higher if these people didn't leave. As long as we have a net gain we are okay

The big worry is the growing number of pensioners but that is a problem that most developed nations face (including Australia) and there will be a reason to be concerned if we start showing a net loss year after year.

To put things in perspective - Population growth rate slumps to six-year low in Australia

[Blah]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

53,000 Moved across the Tasman in the year to February. That is 1.1% of NZ's entire population - not a big worry at all. I see it as a positive for NZ ... growth is sustainable and our unemployment figures would have been much higher if these people didn't leave. As long as we have a net gain we are okay

The big worry is the growing number of pensioners but that is a problem that most developed nations face (including Australia) and there will be a reason to be concerned if we start showing a net loss year after year.

To put things in perspective - Population growth rate slumps to six-year low in Australia

The Net loss is about 40k though as some kiwis come back.

Personally I think losing 40k a year to Australia is a big concern, but unfortunately I cannot see anyway to stop it.

[SYDNEY]

Originally Posted by Blah

The Net loss is about 40k though as some kiwis come back.

Personally I think losing 40k a year to Australia is a big concern, but unfortunately I cannot see anyway to stop it.

Okay just checked, the net loss is 38 000 (0.85% of the population) ... I don't think that it needs to be stopped and it won't ... NZ has a history of ebb and flow. It is the way of the World - the Global Village allows people to come and go as they please.

[SYDNEY]

@ the guy who thinks that living in Kalgoorlie is a dream ... I would rather be poor than live there ... This article sums up what most people who have made the move tell me .... "don't bother".

Move to Oz dream for some, but it's not all roses

And the average house price ...

Sydney $605,000
Melbourne $557,750
Canberra $560,000
Perth $487,000
Brisbane $459,000
Auckland $ 443,193
Adelaide $405,000

[IThomas]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

@ the guy who thinks that living in Kalgoorlie is a dream ... I would rather be poor than live there ... This article sums up what most people who have made the move tell me .... "don't bother".

Oh my God .. After seeing where and what condition is Kalgoorlie , I must say that the guy in question has some serious problems to say "that to move there is the dream of his life"

[SYDNEY]

Originally Posted by IThomas

Oh my God .. After seeing where and what condition is Kalgoorlie , I must say that the guy in question has some serious problems to say "that to move there is the dream of his life"

Wait until you see the tv show "Kalgoorlie Cops" ... the women are stronger than the men

[SYDNEY]

There's always two sides to every story ... An Aussie living in New Zealand

[Blah]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

@ the guy who thinks that living in Kalgoorlie is a dream ... I would rather be poor than live there ... This article sums up what most people who have made the move tell me .... "don't bother".

Move to Oz dream for some, but it's not all roses

And the average house price ...

Sydney $605,000
Melbourne $557,750
Canberra $560,000
Perth $487,000
Brisbane $459,000
Auckland $ 443,193
Adelaide $405,000

Yeah I was reading that yesterday and thinking "What the fuck". His dream is to live in the middle of the outback in a dusty mining town?

[DML2]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

Wait until you see the tv show "Kalgoorlie Cops" ... the women are stronger than the men

LOOOOL

[jarden]

Move to Oz dream for some, but it's not all roses

Actually I maybe the only one on here that feels for his plight as I been in that situation too working 2 jobs in NZ and still strugling to survive with no hope of any future had to move to regional OZ as houses are not always selling for 500,000+ like in the capital cities. Where you can save easier and get onto the property ladder which is so hard to back home as no bank would give me a morgage in NZ even with a big deposit.
That guy Shane Bell has not said he will buy a house in Kalgoorlie seems to be still in the planning stage, he is just renting and trying to save up and in a job that pays twice what he got as a security guard in NZ. I say good for him as he was really in a rut in Auckland not being able to keep his head above water.

[IThomas]

EDIT

[IThomas]

Now refresh the discussion

[Richard7666]

Oh look, Stats NZ once again projecting unkind figures for Invercargill. I recall they projected circa 2001 that we'd be down to 45,000 by this time instead of up to 53,000, so once again I imagine they'll be proven wrong and can suck my dick.

[SYDNEY]

Aren't those projections old ? Waitakere City, Manukau City etc. don't exist anymore ...

[whooodaman]

Originally Posted by Richard7666

Oh look, Stats NZ once again projecting unkind figures for Invercargill. I recall they projected circa 2001 that we'd be down to 45,000 by this time instead of up to 53,000, so once again I imagine they'll be proven wrong and can suck my dick.

lol

[KaneD]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

There's always two sides to every story ... An Aussie living in New Zealand

That was an interesting read SYDNEY...

The sad fact is that the whole "life is better in Australia" is nothing but a worn out line used by opposition parties which does NOTHiNG to boost NZ's image. In Australia, no-one gives a fuck that their incomes are supposedly 30% higher than here...they just get on with it. It's only NZ'ers that have this pathetic inferiority complex.

And in any case, the reality is FAR different from what we're led to believe.

See, it always irks me how someone living in somewhere like say Invercargill grizzles that there are no jobs and what jobs their are are poorly paid, and then goes and compares it with living in Sydney and Brisbane etc... something that isn't exactly comparing Apple's for Apple's.

Ideally it would be better to actually compare similar cities... eg: Maybe Wellington to Canberra or Christchurch to Hobart or something.

I'd say chances are, when you also take the true cost of living into account, most people probably won't be anywhere near the 30% better off that opposition governments here love to state.

Take one of the biggest misnomers... petrol is cheaper in Australia....

At the pump, it might be cheaper on a per litre basis, but a more useful metric would be "how much does an Australian spend on automotive fuel each year compared to a NZer?"... When you consider that the average Australian drives a LOT further each year than the average Kiwi does, then the net result is that an Australian uses about 20% MORE fuel each year than a Kiwi does... that pretty much closes that gap somewhat.

Don't believe me? Look here

And of course, speaking of the influences of automotibles... last I checked, the cost of a new BMW 335i in New Zealand Dollars comes to $108,000 in New Zealand, and a whopping $130,000 in Australia! Okay, an Australian assembled car is about the same cost in Oz as in NZ, but not everyone wants to buy Australian cars...

What about Bananas? Fuck they grow them in Oz so surely they'll be cheaper than in NZ where we have to ship them from half a world away? Uhhhh... Nope...
In Australia
In NZ

What about Electricity Prices?
For a household using 9284 units/year (thats me) there appeared to be a good 15% savings for NZers when looking at the options on these Australian and NZ power switch sites.

And insurance?
Obviously this is too hard to compare but it's very well known that most insurances are significantly more expensive in Oz and NZ.

Interest Rates on a Mortgage?
Variable Rates are a little bit higher in OZ at 7.05% for the current floating rate than in NZ at 5.74%
And Fixed isn't any better for the Aussies either... with Australians paying 0.5-1.0% more.

The ONLY real thing that I'd agree on is that there are simply more opportunities in Australia than in NZ since it is a far bigger economy. If you're happy to live in the big cities and are an Accountant or Legal professional, then yes, the larger financial centre that Sydney is is bound to offer more options and a fatter wallet to boot.

Likewise if you are happy to work half a km underground in the back and beyond like Kalgoorlie, then yes, the more developed mining industry will sure help keep the bills paid.

But nobody seems to take the niceties in life into account... Those Sydneysiders are welcome to spend up to 2.5 hours each day in their cars driving to and from work, and the miners are also welcome to spend their 8 hours a day in 40deg temperatures... I myself would rather the 30 min commute, live in the country, work in the city, go for a round of golf after work, maybe a bit of surfing among many many other things that I bet even many Australians would only dream of...

So in this land of great opportunity... the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I just wish the politicians would shut the fuck up on the issue and just "get on with it" like the Australians do.

[IThomas]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

Aren't those projections old ? Waitakere City, Manukau City etc. don't exist anymore ...

Yes. The projections of 2031, are based upon estimated population of 2001. The source of these projections is Stats NZ.

[Blah]

Originally Posted by KaneD

That was an interesting read SYDNEY...

The sad fact is that the whole "life is better in Australia" is nothing but a worn out line used by opposition parties which does NOTHiNG to boost NZ's image. In Australia, no-one gives a fuck that their incomes are supposedly 30% higher than here...they just get on with it. It's only NZ'ers that have this pathetic inferiority complex.

And in any case, the reality is FAR different from what we're led to believe.

See, it always irks me how someone living in somewhere like say Invercargill grizzles that there are no jobs and what jobs their are are poorly paid, and then goes and compares it with living in Sydney and Brisbane etc... something that isn't exactly comparing Apple's for Apple's.

Ideally it would be better to actually compare similar cities... eg: Maybe Wellington to Canberra or Christchurch to Hobart or something.

I'd say chances are, when you also take the true cost of living into account, most people probably won't be anywhere near the 30% better off that opposition governments here love to state.

Take one of the biggest misnomers... petrol is cheaper in Australia....

At the pump, it might be cheaper on a per litre basis, but a more useful metric would be "how much does an Australian spend on automotive fuel each year compared to a NZer?"... When you consider that the average Australian drives a LOT further each year than the average Kiwi does, then the net result is that an Australian uses about 20% MORE fuel each year than a Kiwi does... that pretty much closes that gap somewhat.

Don't believe me? Look here

And of course, speaking of the influences of automotibles... last I checked, the cost of a new BMW 335i in New Zealand Dollars comes to $108,000 in New Zealand, and a whopping $130,000 in Australia! Okay, an Australian assembled car is about the same cost in Oz as in NZ, but not everyone wants to buy Australian cars...

What about Bananas? Fuck they grow them in Oz so surely they'll be cheaper than in NZ where we have to ship them from half a world away? Uhhhh... Nope...
In Australia
In NZ

What about Electricity Prices?
For a household using 9284 units/year (thats me) there appeared to be a good 15% savings for NZers when looking at the options on these Australian and NZ power switch sites.

And insurance?
Obviously this is too hard to compare but it's very well known that most insurances are significantly more expensive in Oz and NZ.

Interest Rates on a Mortgage?
Variable Rates are a little bit higher in OZ at 7.05% for the current floating rate than in NZ at 5.74%
And Fixed isn't any better for the Aussies either... with Australians paying 0.5-1.0% more.

The ONLY real thing that I'd agree on is that there are simply more opportunities in Australia than in NZ since it is a far bigger economy. If you're happy to live in the big cities and are an Accountant or Legal professional, then yes, the larger financial centre that Sydney is is bound to offer more options and a fatter wallet to boot.

Likewise if you are happy to work half a km underground in the back and beyond like Kalgoorlie, then yes, the more developed mining industry will sure help keep the bills paid.

But nobody seems to take the niceties in life into account... Those Sydneysiders are welcome to spend up to 2.5 hours each day in their cars driving to and from work, and the miners are also welcome to spend their 8 hours a day in 40deg temperatures... I myself would rather the 30 min commute, live in the country, work in the city, go for a round of golf after work, maybe a bit of surfing among many many other things that I bet even many Australians would only dream of...

So in this land of great opportunity... the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. I just wish the politicians would shut the fuck up on the issue and just "get on with it" like the Australians do.

Exactly. Well said. To be honest, the media can take a lot of the blame. Stuff.co.nz is particularly fond of running down NZ for some reason, and then you have the same 300 people whinging about it in the comments section for every story.