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kmthurman · February 17th, 2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jonknee

The old Federal Courthouse is being turned into a hotel.

Yeah that was the second one I was referring to. That that one is about 75% chance or higher of being a Starwood or Hilton hotel of some sort. All of the hotels but one or two that they have done are one or the other (http://dsginc.net/hotels).

That would be a third starwood downtown or the second Hilton (after embassy suites) downtown.

TampaMike · February 17th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonknee

The old Federal Courthouse is being turned into a hotel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmthurman

Yeah that was the second one I was referring to. That that one is about 75% chance or higher of being a Starwood or Hilton hotel of some sort. All of the hotels but one or two that they have done are one or the other (http://dsginc.net/hotels).

That would be a third starwood downtown or the second Hilton (after embassy suites) downtown.

Forgot about that one. Thanks

Here's the sign btw
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tampa3 048 by TampaMike2, on Flickr

smiley · February 17th, 2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kmthurman

There are probably opportunities to convince them to add retail in the next few months. There are a lot of other permits for them to get and quite honestly requests they are going to have from the city. But this won't be a city council issue -- it'll be a Mayor buckhorn thing. I was going to ask the city about the plans (esp for retail) via public records request so I will let you know in three days or less when I hear back.

Unlikely to accomplish anything, but go for it.

http://tampasphere.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/213/

Jasonhouse · February 17th, 2012, 10:35 PM

^"Unlikely" is far too optimistic of a word in this context.

If anything, raising awareness about the current site plan will probably motivate someone with city staff to call up the developer and remind him that if they want to fence off the entire site and gate it, just cite UT's precedent of doing the same thing, and council will eagerly approve it while gushing about how amazing the project's design is and how it will create millions of jobs.

kmthurman · February 17th, 2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smiley

Unlikely to accomplish anything, but go for it.

http://tampasphere.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/213/

I am basically agree with tampashere sucks right now, but its very clear they haven't actually bothered to design a thing yet from everything I have seen and heard.

I will talk to some people on Monday about it and let people know. I am not thinking much will happen, but I am bored, have a phone, and might as well make calls. While i am not as optimistic as some people think I am -- I am positive that I won't have to deal with city staff reminding them they can put a fence around it

Any good examples around downtown that has been done here ever?

Jasonhouse · February 18th, 2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kmthurman

Any good examples around downtown that has been done here ever?

Good examples of what exactly? A modern office building or a hotel in downtown Tampa that has good street interaction? Ummm... The best I can really think of is One Mack-Cali Center (or whatever it's called). Not that great, but at least it has a public area running under it, and there are some spaces that open out to the street, rather than only inward to a lobby. Most of downtown's newer buildings absolutely suck in terms of street interaction. The best ones I can think of right now are all residential. (and I'm sure self explanatory)

kmthurman · February 18th, 2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Good examples of what exactly? A modern office building or a hotel in downtown Tampa that has good street interaction? Ummm... The best I can really think of is One Mack-Cali Center (or whatever it's called). Not that great, but at least it has a public area running under it, and there are some spaces that open out to the street, rather than only inward to a lobby. Most of downtown's newer buildings absolutely suck in terms of street interaction. The best ones I can think of right now are all residential. (and I'm sure self explanatory)

Yeah, I was just wondering if there something to point to I wasn't thinking of. That building is okay, but given the city lot across the street it's a bit weak. However I do know that breuggers bagels is packed at lunch, because it's the only thing street level down there like that. But the rest of the retail just ends up being surface office that isn't even using the storefront really.

Jasonhouse · February 19th, 2012, 01:06 AM

^That's up to building management to lease the space to right tenants, not necessarily the first one that comes along. The city could also clue in and offer tax incentives for buildings which get ground floor retail tenants. (for existing buildings, not just new ones)

G Tom · February 19th, 2012, 02:18 AM

UT is not in the same zoning. You can't put a fence in The central business district. Oh yeah, unless you have influence. Like Bob Abberger. Ha.

Jasonhouse · February 19th, 2012, 02:57 AM

oh no you ditn't!

Del Mayberry · May 20th, 2012, 10:33 PM

extracted from the article about Westshore...

"I happen to believe that in central Tampa all the stars are starting to align," said Robert Abberger, managing director for the Florida division of Trammell Crow, which plans a 20-story, 400,000-square-foot building downtown at Florida Avenue and Whiting Street.

Though downtown hasn't seen a major new tower since 1992, Abberger said his project offers the perks of any building outside downtown: ample parking in an attached garage, a major hotel, energy-efficient systems and open floor spaces.

The project still needs an anchor tenant, he said, though "we're marching ahead on the site plan approval, and negotiating with tenants. I'm optimistic we'll be out of the ground next year."

smiley · May 21st, 2012, 12:39 AM

blah blah, rent, sales, blah.

When the ground is dug up, I will believe they are going to build.

Del Mayberry · May 21st, 2012, 01:09 AM

It's not going to happen. Put this on the "never built" list.

Jasonhouse · May 21st, 2012, 01:38 AM

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think it depends what kind of deal on the rent the anchor tenant can get.

koopalicious · May 28th, 2012, 05:28 PM

There was a new rendering of this in skyline context from a TBBJ article this weekend.

TampaGuy · May 28th, 2012, 07:12 PM

It fills in the gap nicely, but I thought it would be a little taller.

Del Mayberry · May 28th, 2012, 09:41 PM

It says "downtown's new towers coming along" as if construction has already begun. I'm pretty sure nothing has begun. And yes, I wish they were taller, at least 30 stories.

ATampaArnold · May 30th, 2012, 02:58 AM

Yeah looks kinda pitiful. Wish it was taller but it does fill in the gap.

TampaMike · May 30th, 2012, 03:11 AM

I'm not too much bother by the height, the use of the ground floor is what I'm more focused on. If they can utilize the close proximity of the office buildings, the workers and customers from it's own offices and hotel, and the CAMLS; then I'll be happy. But if they come weak with retail and leasing space, then I'll be a little ticked.

Jasonhouse · May 30th, 2012, 04:11 AM

This project has always struck me as value engineered crap, no matter where it was proposed to be built.

May 21st, 2012, 12:39 AM	#232
smiley Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,097 Likes (Received): 0	blah blah, rent, sales, blah. When the ground is dug up, I will believe they are going to build. __________________ Do I contradict myself? Well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. I don't pretend 'cause I don't care.

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TampaGuy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 392 Likes (Received): 0	It fills in the gap nicely, but I thought it would be a little taller. __________________ I Love The 'Burg

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February 17th, 2012, 10:35 PM	#224
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,277 Likes (Received): 8	^"Unlikely" is far too optimistic of a word in this context. If anything, raising awareness about the current site plan will probably motivate someone with city staff to call up the developer and remind him that if they want to fence off the entire site and gate it, just cite UT's precedent of doing the same thing, and council will eagerly approve it while gushing about how amazing the project's design is and how it will create millions of jobs.

February 19th, 2012, 01:06 AM	#228
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,277 Likes (Received): 8	^That's up to building management to lease the space to right tenants, not necessarily the first one that comes along. The city could also clue in and offer tax incentives for buildings which get ground floor retail tenants. (for existing buildings, not just new ones)

February 19th, 2012, 02:18 AM	#229
G Tom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 23 Likes (Received): 0	UT is not in the same zoning. You can't put a fence in The central business district. Oh yeah, unless you have influence. Like Bob Abberger. Ha.

February 19th, 2012, 02:57 AM	#230
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,277 Likes (Received): 8	oh no you ditn't!

May 20th, 2012, 10:33 PM	#231
Del Mayberry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495 Likes (Received): 0	extracted from the article about Westshore... "I happen to believe that in central Tampa all the stars are starting to align," said Robert Abberger, managing director for the Florida division of Trammell Crow, which plans a 20-story, 400,000-square-foot building downtown at Florida Avenue and Whiting Street. Though downtown hasn't seen a major new tower since 1992, Abberger said his project offers the perks of any building outside downtown: ample parking in an attached garage, a major hotel, energy-efficient systems and open floor spaces. The project still needs an anchor tenant, he said, though "we're marching ahead on the site plan approval, and negotiating with tenants. I'm optimistic we'll be out of the ground next year."

May 21st, 2012, 01:09 AM	#233
Del Mayberry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495 Likes (Received): 0	It's not going to happen. Put this on the "never built" list.

May 21st, 2012, 01:38 AM	#234
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,277 Likes (Received): 8	I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think it depends what kind of deal on the rent the anchor tenant can get.

May 28th, 2012, 05:28 PM	#235
koopalicious Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 411 Likes (Received): 4	There was a new rendering of this in skyline context from a TBBJ article this weekend.

May 28th, 2012, 09:41 PM	#237
Del Mayberry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495 Likes (Received): 0	It says "downtown's new towers coming along" as if construction has already begun. I'm pretty sure nothing has begun. And yes, I wish they were taller, at least 30 stories.

May 30th, 2012, 02:58 AM	#238
ATampaArnold Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tampa/Miami Posts: 355 Likes (Received): 1	Yeah looks kinda pitiful. Wish it was taller but it does fill in the gap.

May 30th, 2012, 04:11 AM	#240
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,277 Likes (Received): 8	This project has always struck me as value engineered crap, no matter where it was proposed to be built.