Orlando Outlook

[jzquince69]

Okay, the new road and bridge over I-4 that will connect I-drive to Palm Parkway and Apopka/Vineland... I drove by it... the alignment has the actual bridge u/c on the southern tip of the water retention ponds along I-4. you can see the pilings as we speak.

this new road system will completely open up the area for more development just north of Premium and increase the density. the connectivity aspect to the west side of I-4 is what's so exciting.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

Okay, the new road and bridge over I-4 that will connect I-drive to Palm Parkway and Apopka/Vineland... I drove by it... the alignment has the actual bridge u/c on the southern tip of the water retention ponds along I-4. you can see the pilings as we speak.

this new road system will completely open up the area for more development just north of Premium and increase the density. the connectivity aspect to the west side of I-4 is what's so exciting.

I didnt see a bridge near MAjor or Palm Parkway

[jzquince69]

The bridge near Major isn't u/c yet. The bridge just north of Dixie Stampede and Premium is u/c; the pilings are sticking out of the ground.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

The bridge near Major isn't u/c yet. The bridge just north of Dixie Stampede and Premium is u/c; the pilings are sticking out of the ground.

Ohh Ok I needed to go further down to see it. I exited 528 instead.

[ThatFloridaDude]

23 story building Skyhomes or Skyview or whatever. I looked it up the height for

Skyplace is 347 Ft.

Magnolia Circle was only going to be 327 Ft.

The height of the O&C Hotel is 87 Ft. Not Bad.

[jzquince69]

Originally Posted by ThatFloridaDude

23 story building Skyhomes or Skyview or whatever. I looked it up the height for

Skyplace is 347 Ft.

Magnolia Circle was only going to be 327 Ft.

The height of the O&C Hotel is 87 Ft. Not Bad.

what are you taking about? Skyhomes, Skyview, Skyplace? And the O&C Hotel?

[ThatFloridaDude]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

what are you taking about? Skyhomes, Skyview, Skyplace? And the O&C Hotel?

The projects in downtown Orlando. New Highrise condos being proposed.

Skyhouse Orlando apartments. (Sorry I couldn't remember the name last night as I was typing. I just knew it was sky something!)

This Link here: http://www.cityoforlando.net/plannin...y2012Recap.pdf Shows the new proposals on the agenda. The Skyhouse Orlando and the Orange and Colonial (O&C) hotel.

What I was doing was looking at the heights of the buildings compared to the projects that were proposed where these projects today are proposed. while we had the first building boom.

The Magnolia Circle project was proposed where Skyhouse Orlando is going up.

Here is Magnolia Circle: http://www.cityoforlando.net/plannin...B%20report.pdf

The height was 327 Ft. proposed for Magnolia Circle.

Here is Skyhouse Orlando: http://www.cityoforlando.net/plannin...2012-00007.pdf



Skyhouse will be 347 Ft.

Vs Magnolia Circle 327 ft.




O and C Hotel will be an 8 Story 87Ft Building.




Vs This What Was Proposed there ibefore.


Sorry for the misguidance.

[jzquince69]

No kidding. Wow. So they are putting a hotel next to Camden at Orange & 50. That's fantastic. You know, after work everyday when I'm heading north on Magnolia wating for the light to change at 50, I can see Steelhouse U/C a block and a half over. For the first time, drivers on magnolia can gage where Orange Ave is because of Steehouse's presence b/c it fills that void. Now, the O&C Hotel will be twice that tall and add so much density to that intersection. It will completely transform that intersection and help Steelhouse literally bridge the gap between Camden and Uptown. That is exciting.

Thanks for the update.

As for Skyhouse, I need more info on who's building that. There were some apartment tower proposals for the area behind Paramount towards the end of the boom by a major company, but the first tower never materialized. So, gaged against that project, I'm curious who is behind this project.

[ThatFloridaDude]

What is Steelhouse? Hmm I'm about to look "Steelhouse" up.

If I'm not mistaking its Novare Group. The rendering is that of the "Atlanta Skyhouse" but we should expect something similar in downtown Orlando.

Here is a link http://whatnowatlanta.com/2011/06/15...d-for-midtown/

[TampaMike]

Damn, I hate that Novare has transported over to Orlando. Congrats to Orlando, but they had a great impact in Tampa with Element and Skypoint. And they still have two projects that they proposed over here to finish, wink wink Novare.

But seriously, Novare come back to Tampa.

And I notice that with both of the Skyhouses, Novare is struggling to locate the parking with the tower and instead branching it off from the overall project.

[ThatFloridaDude]

You know, Element and Skypoint really suite Tampa Well. I hope Novare is successful. It has been approved and is slated for construction this fall.

[Del Mayberry]

Novare buildings remind me of the kids game "girders and panels".

[jzquince69]

Novare's projects in Tampa are nice.

To me, I don't really care if its Novare or some other developer that builds on a vacant lot. The Steelhouse project is by a major developer and fills a huge void at the northwest corner of Colonial and Orange Ave. You can't put a price tag on that, the effect it will have visually on that intersection.

The Novare project will get lost somewhere between Dynetech and the Courthouse and Vue, which is fine, since it will add visual density to the skyline in that part of downtown.

But the real important projects are the ones that build up along sidewalks to create a sense of connectivity and community at the sidewalk level. That's the thing about Orlando, downtown looks like a hybrid of tall building peppered within a big giant neighborhood, between the CBD, Thornton park, Eola South, and Uptown, and the areas stretching to the north and south towards the two hospital systems.

Integration is the key. How does the project integrate into the neighborhood... Paramount integrates because there is a Publix inside it. Plaza integrates because of the cinema and retail inside it. 55W integrates because they recreated the two-level retail that was there before. 101 Eola and Sanctuary both have retail inside them. Same with Thornton park Central and 801 N. Orange. Vue fills a prior empty space, as does Dynetech. The Novare building will do the same.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Guess I'm the only one not a fan of steelhouse huh.?

[jzquince69]

compared to what was there before (abandoned gas station), I am a HUGE fan of that project. It serves its purpose. That neighborhood will be much better off because of it than it was before without it. It adds yet another 350 or so units to the area and is technically the first housing project to be built north of 50 in Uptown since Uptown Place was built in the early 2000's. The building boom brought only 801 N. Orange and Verde et al never materialized. That's why this is an important project. Its a catalyst to further development. Ustler's project hasn't broken ground yet either. They recently completed the GAI building at Summerlin and South within the past year or so.

[ThatFloridaDude]

My problem is, everyone talks about density and street level activity, yet were allowing more people to live on the other side of S.R. 50?? I mean why not let Steelhouse build 320 Units vertical just as Sky House is buildings it's 320 units right in the heart of downtown? Talking about a stretched downtown, I'm not a fan of that. Not a fan of Steelhouse or any other projects that don't add the necessary pedestrian traffic needed to Orange Ave. South Of Fifty.

Hell let something else be built on that corner later. Thats not what people are talking about when they come downtown. It's not built on a transit line or anything, Steelhouse is a disgrace of a project. 40 Million Dollars for some 4 story apartments further away from the city core and it's conveniences and entertainment? (Movie Theater, Lymmo Line, Banks, DPAC, Amway Center, Church Street Station, Lake Eola, Library, Clubs, Dining); vs Sky House, 40 Million Dollar 23 Sotry tower on a Lymmo Line, Closer To Entertainment, and taking up less space.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I for one would not rent or consider steelhouse, unless some major projects were coming around it making that area more walkable. I'm definitely going to look into sky House First because it's on a Lymmo Line and closer to walk to other conveniences.

But this is Orlando.

[jzquince69]

I agree with everything you said. But, Steelhouse is an Uptown project, not a downtown project. It will add density to Uptown and make that neighborhood more viable.

Skyhouse is a great project. I looked it up yesterday and it will hug Rosalind and provide retail to Rosalind and Livingston and provide a tower somewhere a tad shorter than Dynetech.

Do I wish Steelhouse was that? Sure. But its not. Any project that brings more people into the core is a good project IMO, simply bc it increases confidence in the downtown market for future projects.

One more thing... Steelhouse is more or less the first project ever to visually tip off drivers on SR 50 that there is development north of 50 (aside from turning your head and seeing all the other projects several blocks up the street). Not to mention the fact that for the longest time nobody would build at that corner for whatever reason (desirability, etc.), and to get a developer to build there period is a feat.

[ThatFloridaDude]

I see. Well we will see how it pans out. I just hope downtown continue to grow. Density, ground level, skyline, and economical. I wish we had a streetcar downtown.

[jzquince69]

UPDATE: the Cambria Suites proposal slated for the parcel that is SW of Washington at Rosalind: I saw today that they are demolishing the small building that was there.

After reading an article on it, they are roughly on-time with construction plans.

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UPDATE: Downtown projects moving forward presently:
1. DPAC- u/c
2. Federal Courthouse renovation
3. Starwood Aloft Hotel- old OUC Bldg renovation
4. Cambria Suites- site clearing
5. Steelhouse Apts- u/c

[ThatFloridaDude]

Projects 2 and 5 have been happening for a while now, geesh.