TAIWAN RAIL DEVELOPMENTS | HSR, MRTs, METROS

[Awesome.e]

i think that train is normal commuter trains.. not express

[ed21x]

Originally Posted by Awesome.e

i think that train is normal commuter trains.. not express

An earlier drawing indicated that the trains will look the same, but only vary in seating arrangements.

I'm just excited that we're finally going to get a direct line to the airport, not to mention an additional 50 kilometers to add to the MRT system. It's always been my dream that Taipei will become a city where cars and scooters won't be necessary. If all current construction completes on time, I can see that goal finally achieved within three years

[Awesome.e]

The New York of Taiwan where you can only see delivery trucks, taxi's and limos.. That is a dream.. Reality is far from that. Taiwanese love their scooters and cars. It will take time for those to vanish and there must be an incentive. Like imposing taxes

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by tchen

The Danhai Light Rail System (in Danshui District) is scheduled to begin construction in June 2013 at the earliest, with a scheduled completion in 2018. Totaling 13.99 km, it will be divided into the "Green Mountain Line" and the "Blue Ocean Line". It will connect with the Danshui and Hongshulin MRT stations. There is a planned extension as well.



Source: http://udn.com/NEWS/LIFE/LIF1/7055562.shtml

Nice.

However, I do hope though that they build this thing either: under the ground or above the ground.........or BOTH is okay.

BUT NEVER AT-GRADE.

You don't want to mix automobiles, two-wheeled vehicles and trains in the same road. Those are to separated to avoid accidents.

Originally Posted by Awesome.e

Like imposing taxes

I'm afraid I have to disagree on that.

I'm all for expanding the train network (in terms of coverage and network length) and the expansions and additions are on-going as we speak. That and this will be a relief for those from lower-income households who were forced to get a car or two cars just to get around. Indeed, with a growing network, those families might just sell the second car and use the money however they want to.

HOWEVER

I do not think that those who prefer to drive automobiles should be punished and burdened with higher taxes. Remember, the automobile enthusiasts are taxpayers as well and hard-working citizens of their country. Should they be punished for what is 'their' preference?

Hence my response is: Let nature take it's course (i.e. like how TRTC is expanding their train service) and things will flow naturally.........but do impose such regulatory measures on something like this.

Two cents

[Awesome.e]

Imposing taxes at different zone areas should be the norm for metropolitan cities that has pollution and traffic problems. Like how they do it in London. For a city to become sustainable, these measures should be considered. Automobiles and Urban spirals is definitely not the way to go. I think a sustainable city should incorporate trains, buses, bicycles and pedestrian friendly streets. Europe and Japan is leading the way in this regards. We should build for the future. We must be responsible citizens of this planet. Automobiles will still be around for decades to come but moving away from it is the right direction to take... (all of these are my opinion)

[nemu]

Nice.

However, I do hope though that they build this thing either: under the ground or above the ground.........or BOTH is okay.

BUT NEVER AT-GRADE.

You don't want to mix automobiles, two-wheeled vehicles and trains in the same road. Those are to separated to avoid accidents.

The green line will be on elevated viaduct. The blue line will be at-grade (ie tram)

[lolstebbo]

Originally Posted by nemu

The green line will be on elevated viaduct. The blue line will be at-grade (ie tram)

I really want to know how the blue line will work out since it'd be going through an area of ridiculously heavy pedestrian traffic.

[Taipei Walker]

I hope it will be like in Amsterdam's old town, in Amsterdam it works well

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Awesome.e

Imposing taxes at different zone areas should be the norm for metropolitan cities that has pollution and traffic problems. Like how they do it in London. For a city to become sustainable, these measures should be considered. Automobiles and Urban spirals is definitely not the way to go. I think a sustainable city should incorporate trains, buses, bicycles and pedestrian friendly streets. Europe and Japan is leading the way in this regards. We should build for the future. We must be responsible citizens of this planet. Automobiles will still be around for decades to come but moving away from it is the right direction to take... (all of these are my opinion)

Yup and I respect your opinion.

However, in the case of Japan, as much as trains and other forms of rail transport are numerous and abundant (along with other forms of public transport in that country), surprisingly the automobile still dominates as the most used form of land-based transport there.

Here's a quote from Sir ChrisZwolle (the moderator of the Highways and Autobahns section here at SSC)

Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle

You can think all you want, but the statistics prove otherwise. 65.6% of Japanese passenger traffic is by car, 28.7% by train.

See: http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c09cont.htm

In Japan, ALL forms of transports co-exist be it public or private (i.e. private car, taxi, bus, two-wheeled vehicle, train/rail transport, pedestrian/on-foot, boat/water transport, etc etc). No mode of transport has to be sacrificed for another.

With that said though, they can't eliminate or drastically reduce the automobile population by force because the auto industry contributes a huge amount to the GDP of Japan. They buy cars in the thousands (i.e. Lexus LS had more 10,000 pre-orders in Japan alone for the first month).

Hence, the reason why Japan is one of the top three auto markets in the world (along with USA and Mainland China)


All I'm saying. Mode of transport should be a choice and not something to be imposed upon. Hence, why I disagree with the Stockholm congestion charge. I think it's absurd. Sweden is BIG country (one of the biggest in Scandinavia) and their populations numbers are low. Yet the capital of stockholm imposes this. That's just retarded imho.

I'm guessing there are a lot of anti-road and anti-car extremists in the Swedish government.

IMHO though, imposing vehicle taxes in Taiwan (i.e. congestion charge) is very unlikely. Companies like Taipei Metro and the THSR are already building train stations and stuff...........so it all comes naturally. But to impose (by law) to make them as the ONLY mode of transport? No way man.

Remember, Taiwan is not like Hong Kong or Singapore. HK and SG have very little land area hence why they need taxes and charges because supply-demand issue is a problem there.

In the case of Taiwan, it isn't. Hence, there is no need for that. If you think Taipei is too crowded, then move elsewhere in the country. Remember, Taipei is the capital BUT it is not the only place in Taiwan. You have other places to go to (i.e. Hualien, Kaohsiung, Tainan, Changhua, Chiayi, etc etc).

Point is: You can't fully eliminate the automobile and to forcefully propose to remove a person's choice to use a car goes against his/her freedom of choice or preference.

[ed21x]

What we can do is only charge the people who use the resource (eg highways) to begin with, and make everything toll. Think all the bridges in New York, as well as the Parking, License, Vehicle Registration, and limited Taxi registers. The way I see it, people who take the subway have to pay for their ticket to fund their use of the facility. For freeways, we should do the same for all drivers using it, rather than taxing the same amount for all people, even those without cars.

Originally Posted by Blackraven

IMHO though, imposing vehicle taxes in Taiwan (i.e. congestion charge) is very unlikely. Companies like Taipei Metro and the THSR are already building train stations and stuff...........so it all comes naturally. But to impose (by law) to make them as the ONLY mode of transport? No way man.

Remember, Taiwan is not like Hong Kong or Singapore. HK and SG have very little land area hence why they need taxes and charges because supply-demand issue is a problem there.

In the case of Taiwan, it isn't. Hence, there is no need for that. If you think Taipei is too crowded, then move elsewhere in the country. Remember, Taipei is the capital BUT it is not the only place in Taiwan. You have other places to go to (i.e. Hualien, Kaohsiung, Tainan, Changhua, Chiayi, etc etc).

Point is: You can't fully eliminate the automobile and to forcefully propose to remove a person's choice to use a car goes against his/her freedom of choice or preference.

[Taipei Walker]

Yes we can and should impose congestion charge. It is normal demand-supply situation, if demand increases and you are not able to increase supply, you increase the prices. Roads or streets in the city center cannot be widened, you are not able to increase supply while demand is pushing the infrastructure to the limits, the only solution is to descurage drivers from using congested roads/streets in the center by imposing congestion charges. You don't impose congestion charges in the areas where there is no congestion (in the country side for example). As simple as this.

And you don't have to live in Taipei (whese congestion charges should be imposed), you can live in Hualian or other low density places where there is no need for congestion charges. If you want to go to Taipei by car there should be park&ride places outside Taipei city where you could leave your car and use public transportation when getting to the city.

[tchen]

Taoyuan Airport MRT - Huanbei Station (A21) Construction Photos (posted by henry3551 from taiwan-city forums):







Station Lobby


Platform




Source: http://220.128.208.14/MRT/Constructi...?TenderNo=CU03

[ed21x]

Really beautiful designs! Looks very clean and Japanese.

[Awesome.e]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fanonym]

The station looked somewhat similar to the concept of SOGO Fuxing Store. Is it inspired by Hakka Tung flower?

I really like the interior of Singapore MRT circle line though, and it seems to me that Airport MRT is catching up!

[Awesome.e]

I really like the simple and clean design.

[Meadows]

Looks like Kaohsiung's

[kalifese]

it's kinda boring. it could use some colors and design inspiration from european mrt stations. but it's better than taipei's current mrt stations.

[aboutjgeo]

Originally Posted by kalifese

it's kinda boring. it could use some colors and design inspiration from european mrt stations. but it's better than taipei's current mrt stations.

感覺很日系，不過有進步就好，希望每站都能有一定的水準，至少要能有高鐵的品質，別跟台北捷運一樣low

Kalifese 我知道你看得懂！

[Awesome.e]

Taipei Metro isn't bad man! go look at NY subway or London Tub.. LOL DISGUSTING