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Old May 24th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #4421
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I agree with most of that.

Re the discussion with potiz81, though, my point is simply that he (she?)
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has persistently cited the stadium's use by Panathinaikos and AEK Athens as proof that it isn't a white elephant.
Well, in my point of view, a white elephant is a stadium built from zero just to host an event for some days, and after that remains without any use. This was not the case in Athens Olympic Stadium.

It was built back in 80's to host big events. Athens (and Greece), as every country, needs a big stadium for a variety of events, right? But it doesnt mean that every city with a stadium of this size can host daily or even monthly events using the total of its capacity.

Much later, this stadium became the flagship of Athens 1996 and 2004 bids. But all these years, before and after the Olympics, it served as the host stadium of numerous worldclass events: Champions League Finals, IAAF World Championships, various European Athletics Championships, Mediterranean Games, World Rally Championships and countless concerts of greek and international artists. The list with all the sold-out events which took place there is huge. As I told before, I dont think that any other olympic stadium in any other country can host daily sold-out events. But for sure, every country needs a big stadium to host such events when it needs. And yes, it is also the home of 2 major Super League football clubs. I guess London has other stadiums of big capacity to host such events. Greece's one is the Olympic stadium in Athens and you can hardly find a place which hosted such a variety of really world class events, if you look the olympic stadiums list of previous Olympic Games.

On the other hand, some stadiums in Hellenikon Complex are not in use, thats true and it is really sad. But saying that main Olympic stadium itself is a white elephant...no.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 09:48 PM   #4423
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This is a good time to raise this point too.....white elephant is a term that's very often misused.

Something that costs money or requires ongoing subsidy is not by definition a white elephant. The Olympic Park velodrome, at lest until it gains a naming rights deal, will be subsidised. But it will be used by elite athletes and cyclists and will be something worth subsidising for what it gives to the area and to British cycling. It's whether you believe something to be worth subsidising which determines whether it's a white elephant or not.

Athens' stadium might not get big crowds often and may be too big for what the City generally requires, but if it's used regularly enough and the city feels it gains more from it than it gives to it, then fair enough. If that's the case, it isn't a white elephant.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 04:03 AM   #4424
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Old May 25th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #4425
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Much later, this stadium became the flagship of Athens 1996 and 2004 bids. But all these years, before and after the Olympics, it served as the host stadium of numerous worldclass events: Champions League Finals, IAAF World Championships, various European Athletics Championships, Mediterranean Games, World Rally Championships and countless concerts of greek and international artists. The list with all the sold-out events which took place there is huge. As I told before, I dont think that any other olympic stadium in any other country can host daily sold-out events. .
Out of interest, why don't the Greek football team play there?

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Old May 25th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #4426
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Christ, don't you lot have something more interesting and productive to talk about?

You're going round in circles, arguing your points like it has some sort of effect on London's Olympic stadium. What's built is built, what's spent is spent - we know the stadium will be given major use after the Olympics and that's all that matters. You can't claw back money spent all of the time, and just because the Greeks probably haven't, has no bearing on what happens here in the UK or anywhere else for that matter. Besides, their economy undoubtedly benefited from the Olympics and far surpassed the money spent on the Stadia anyway, so you could say it was a good investment - especially as the stadium still hosts events so it's hardly a white elephant.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #4427
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The model I've been making for ages on sketchup got an update today.
Gives you an idea of what it'll look like decked out in purple.





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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #4428
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I doubt it will have pictograms of sports other than athletics. Love it though.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #4429
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Wow, that's stunning. Well done. I wonder if they will leave it open between the lower bowl and the 'temporary' tier. Or whether it will be dressed or something?
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Old May 29th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #4430
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So, sorry of this has already been asked, but when will the wrap go on the stadium? surely they are running out of time..?
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Old May 29th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #4431
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They have plenty of time. Won't take more than a couple of weeks to put it up.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #4432
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All credit goes to Jason Hawkes with this photo showing the preparation for the opening ceremony happening inside the OS.

http://stock.jasonhawkes.com/-/galle...2-olympic-park
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Old May 30th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #4433
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Looks like the athletes will enter from the south, and there is a large structure being built in the north of the stadium. Cauldron perhaps? It was slated to go outside the stadium but there is just no evidence for it so close to the games.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #4434
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That structure isnt the cauldron, can't say what on here or where the cauldron is but i know what's being built.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #4435
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So a stage like construction to the North to do with the isles of wonder ;-). I know you cant say and i don't want to have the plot spoiled but do you know the location of the torch or is it still a secret only known by a select few.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #4436
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NO idea, i havent seen what or where the couldron will be, ive only seen the stadium mock up during the start of the OOC, which by the way is awesome .

Im glad i don't know the hole thing and i will still have surprises
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Old May 30th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #4437
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Old May 30th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #4438
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'ISLE' of wonder huh ;-)
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Old May 30th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #4439
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I'm pretty sure that Boyle said a while ago that the ceremony would be wet whether it rained or not, so would tie in with that concept.
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Old May 30th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #4440
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Well it is an 'Isle' of Wonder, after all.
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