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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:03 AM   #201
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Scary thing is cars actually kill a lot more people then guns do, but the news doesn't sensationalize it as much.
In the vast majority of cases, a car kills someone by accident. The exact opposite is true in the case of guns. The thing that makes one news worthy and the other not is the intent of the people involved. Nothing more news worthy than one person intentionally ending the life of another. Very counter to the whole civilization thing.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:04 AM   #202
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The problem is obviously guns, the solution is damned difficult to come to. We'll never outlaw/ban guns in this nation, and there are already so damned many guns in this country, I can't figure it out.
The problem isn't guns. Guns don't just go off. The problem is too many uncaring or unthinking people with guns. We need harsher no tolerance penalties for these kind of people. Yes, every adult may have a right to possess a gun *UNTIL* they show themselves unfit by being uncaring and/or unthinking.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:11 AM   #203
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While cities grapple with gun violence, the right of everyone to own a handgun will forever be defended by people in rural areas in the name of "tradition..." It's ridiculous. And these shootings show the people on this forum who are always going on and on about getting rid of gang-types that a lot of shootings are for very different reasons.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:21 AM   #204
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Yes, every adult may have a right to possess a gun *UNTIL* they show themselves unfit by being uncaring and/or unthinking.
At which point someone is dead. Remind me why this is such an important right in a modern world? Are we supposed to be subsistance hunting in Seattle?

I'm not strongly anti-gun, but the pro-gun side just seems to have terrible arguments. Telling the victim's family "don't worry, we're taking his gun away now" just doesn't sound very reassuring.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:30 AM   #205
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2 more dead from that cafe shooting.

Whats that bring the murder rate to now?
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:32 AM   #206
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Is that gunman still on the loose?
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:46 AM   #207
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Yep. Both of them are.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:57 AM   #208
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The issue of guns in our society is a genie that has left the bottle. I just feel safer in societies where people don't have easy access to guns. I truly don't believe we have more people who fly off the handle in the USA vs. Europe, we just have access to use the weaponry at hand.

Thoughts and prayers to the families and loved ones who have lost their lives. This is another dark day in Seattle.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 02:03 AM   #209
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The issue of guns in our society is a genie that has left the bottle. I just feel safer in societies where people don't have easy access to guns. I truly don't believe we have more people who fly off the handle in the USA vs. Europe, we just have access to use the weaponry at hand.

Thoughts and prayers to the families and loved ones who have lost their lives. This is another dark day in Seattle.
Exactly. In Europe an innocent bystander won't get hit by a knife/axe/baseball bat during a confrontation, not to mention a case of "drive-by". It's clearly an access to guns problem and it makes me sick every time half of the nation is in denial repeating the mantra "people kill people, not guns".
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Old May 31st, 2012, 02:05 AM   #210
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At which point someone is dead. Remind me why this is such an important right in a modern world? Are we supposed to be subsistance hunting in Seattle?

I'm not strongly anti-gun, but the pro-gun side just seems to have terrible arguments. Telling the victim's family "don't worry, we're taking his gun away now" just doesn't sound very reassuring.
I don't own a gun (got that from my father). This is definitely a conversation that's at an impasse at the "legal" level. The conversation has to go to a different level if we're going to solve things.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 02:25 AM   #211
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Speaking of solving things, the U-district shooter took care of himself: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...sevelt31m.html
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Old May 31st, 2012, 02:45 AM   #212
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The murder of Justin Ferrari. Can it get more senseless and tragic than this? These people were totally success, family, community, and yet the man is gunned down in front of his parents and children. Where? Where else? By whom? Who else, YBM early 20's. I only hope the SPD is pulling out all the stops on this, despite their recent problems, because plenty of people within a quarter mile know who did it.

The chatter is about "gun crime." Bullshit. It's about gangster wannabe's. And the usual pitiful street memorial has appeared, to be be attended by the inevitable fat-assed mourners for the newscameras.

Just once, I wish Seattle would lose the hand-holding Kumbaya, get mad and do something about the gang outrage once and for all.
How do today's events fit into the above racist narrative?
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Speaking of solving things, the U-district shooter took care of himself: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...sevelt31m.html
If anyone deserved to die it was the shooter. However, the families of the innocent may never know what actually happened. That is the sad part of all this. What a crazy murder spree, all followed live on local tv, no less.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 03:50 AM   #214
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If anyone deserved to die it was the shooter. However, the families of the innocent may never know what actually happened. That is the sad part of all this. What a crazy murder spree, all followed live on local tv, no less.
In the literal sense, there's CCTV footage of the crime happening. It would give a good indication of what happened. Who he might have been targeting, etc. In the more "why did he do it??" sense, I imagine more details will come to light thru interviews. I think this one will be pretty open and shut.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 03:52 AM   #215
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Spoke too soon, this just keeps getting weirder...

Not only is he not dead, they think he was also responsible for the first hill shooting?...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...sevelt31m.html
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Old May 31st, 2012, 04:16 AM   #216
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Spoke too soon, this just keeps getting weirder...

Not only is he not dead, they think he was also responsible for the first hill shooting?...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...sevelt31m.html
Yeah, I saw that too. The First Hill connection, though was made hours ago.
KIRO TV reporting that the suspect had been kicked out of the Cafe by members of the musicians who played there, and who he shot. Good gawd.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 04:18 AM   #217
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My friend lives just across the street from First Hill incident. I don't get how could people who have mental illness have access to get guns to hurt/kill people. That is something wrong with the picture.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 05:20 AM   #218
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If the family "could see it coming," then why wasn't this mother****er committed?

I'm happy he killed himself though.
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If the family "could see it coming," then why wasn't this mother****er committed?

I'm happy he killed himself though.
Unfortunately, it is near impossible to have someone you love committed. I know first hand, we lost a schizophrenic brother we thought was dangerous to society, and there wasn't ANYTHING we could do. How did this menace to society end? He convinced himself that he could stop trains.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 05:38 AM   #220
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Yes, and the laws need to change.
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