Lost London - Page 98

WallyChops · June 8th, 2012, 11:43 AM

There's some great old archive films on the BBC Four London Collection http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collect...00synd3/london

There's a poignant programme by John Betjeman and the Margaret Drabble film I Love This Dirty Town is really interesting. I love her comments late on about planners and councillors, though much of it obviously fell on deaf ears. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...is_Dirty_Town/

Required · June 8th, 2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mouldss@hotmail.co.u

Devas St bow.
Built 1860, materials : London stock and stone.

Demolished 2006 and replaced by high-density, affordable housing by Barratt Holmes, lovely.

[IMG]http://i47.************/1zmo67a.jpg[/IMG]

I can't believe this happened as late as 2006. It seems those who don't understand the urban experience are still the ones making the decisions.

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Originally Posted by WallyChops

For anyone who missed it, it's well worth seeing the first in the series of The Secret History of our Streets on BBC2; http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...d_High_Street/

Tonight's episode was about the changes in the streets around Deptford High Street - an area I grew up knowing. Like much of South London, the area may not have had the historical or architectural significance of other parts of the city, but the awful 60's/70's estates that replaced the old streets were inferior in so many ways and destroyed whole established communities.

Every planner, politician and architect should be made to sit down and watch it.

Yep, the planners had a real go at breaking the spirit of the working class. The architecture they built was so dehumanising that many of the residents suffered nervous breakdowns. Shows the profound psychological effects architecture can have on the human mind.

Bob! · June 8th, 2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie1371

does anyone know anything about this?
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read more here
http://www.victoriansociety.org.uk/n...ns-piccadilly/

This was last discussed about two months ago in the Various low-rises thread. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...5#post90184075

delores · June 9th, 2012, 05:57 AM

the crown estates destroying this part of London, why don't they just refurbish??

Hadzi_Uthman · June 10th, 2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jamie1371

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Its not that bad, Looks alright today

Greetings my English (Brittish) forum members!

To begin with, I have to say that I am not brittish or english but have generally respect towards all great European nations like your own English nation, but also of the Germans, French, Greek, Italian, Spanish and so on.

Reading this thread make you really sad actually. To see a great English nation and a great city like London being destroyed in this way. Everything about this city seems to be destroyed, and looking at the panoramas from the air, looking above the Themsen river confirms how much the city have changed.

The picture I quote illustrate perhaps best my point. Shame.

The same thing have been done to all major English and German cities, including Berlin. We have very few real European cities left in Europe, like Paris, Prague or Rome for example.

My question to you is how do you feel knowing all of this? Your city wasnt annihilated during WWII like Dresden or Cologne were, but because of your idiot politicians your city is ruined for ever. Looking at the picture I quoted above, seeing the amazing street with amazing architecture, a symbol of the great city London used to be, and now all of this is destroyed.

As mentioned before, you are not alone in doing this, the Germans have done it aswell but still it is very sad.

Light Parade · June 10th, 2012, 02:15 PM

Interesting before and after on Holborn Viaduct, c/o The Champ:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1502036&page=3

The old Atlantic House was interesting at this level, but overbearing on Farringdon Road. The replacement is a mess, unredeemed by recreating a faux-Victorian stairway block.

***ill tonkso*** · June 10th, 2012, 04:14 PM

What striked me about that photo of Queen Victoria is how cramped in everything looks. Back in the old photo there is just as much traffic but nothing feels 'hemmed in'. The canopies on the shopfront soften the transition to pavement well too.

Why don't we do the canopies anymore? They were brilliant! They provide shelter from the rain and shade from the sun. Simple.

***NCT*** · June 10th, 2012, 04:21 PM

Canopies are still fairly widely used in appropriate locations with wide enough pavements, usually to provide shades for outside seatings or stalls, for which businesses have to pay the council. I don't think canopies are/were ever used on their own.

It's also worth baring in mind that the perspective of the two images are different and Google Street View often gives a less-than-flattering portrayal.

Bristol Mike · June 10th, 2012, 05:47 PM

Whoever had the idea of taking down those 8 historic buildings in Piccadilly offends reason! So much beautiful architecture has been lost to quite frankly idiotic developers!

Very interesting pictures by the way.

jamie1371 · June 10th, 2012, 10:31 PM

image hosted on flickr

DarJoLe · June 10th, 2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ill tonkso

Why don't we do the canopies anymore?

One New Change has them running down the Cheapside facade.

jamie1371 · June 16th, 2012, 01:01 AM

here are some new scans from my collection,
from these books, all images are 1200dpi - might take some time to load.
image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

El_Greco · June 16th, 2012, 02:28 PM

Amazing photos, thanks!

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Originally Posted by jamie1371

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Today -

jamie1371 · June 16th, 2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Greco

Amazing photos, thanks!

Today -

thats sad

joamox · June 16th, 2012, 08:23 PM

The image on the left shows Westminster Hospital behind the column in front of Westminster Abbey (Crimean War Memorial). A bit of the Sessions House can also be seen on the right.

The hospital was completed and opened in 1834. It remained in use till 1939 and was pulled down in 1950. It is now the site of the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre.

The Sessions House (Westminster Guildhall) was an octagonal building with a Doric portico, constructed by Samuel Pepys Cockerell in 1805.

WallyChops · June 16th, 2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie1371

here are some new scans from my collection,
from these books.

Some great photo's there - really showing how St Pauls towered majestically over the city.

Until recently there was still a great view of St Pauls from the Rotherhithe & Bermondsey river-front, though I notice this has nearly gone now too.

joshbc · June 17th, 2012, 09:57 AM

In truth, the old is a jewel that must be preserved and cheers for the photos guys.

joshbc · June 17th, 2012, 10:02 AM

THAMES RIVER

image hosted on flickr

Old London by chalo84, on Flickr

This is the essence of the past.

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Old London Bus RM1562 - London Transport - Traditional red Double Decker - Routemaster by sean price 101, on Flickr

1950

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London transport RT's 3070,1692,3114 and 1702. Horse Guards Parade London October 30th 1950. by Ledlon89, on Flickr

.Adam · June 17th, 2012, 11:00 PM

Are you being ironic with your first photo?

jamie1371 · June 18th, 2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joshbc

THAMES RIVER

image hosted on flickr

This is the essence of the past.

1950

, on Flickr

Lol
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Its not a old image mate, you can see Portcullis House

June 10th, 2012, 04:14 PM	#1947
*ill tonkso* Portsmouths Finest, Maybe Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 14,080 Likes (Received): 240	What striked me about that photo of Queen Victoria is how cramped in everything looks. Back in the old photo there is just as much traffic but nothing feels 'hemmed in'. The canopies on the shopfront soften the transition to pavement well too. Why don't we do the canopies anymore? They were brilliant! They provide shelter from the rain and shade from the sun. Simple. __________________ Official Skyscrapercity 'Support the Shard at London Bridge' Facebook Group! Ill-Tonkso.co.uk - My Portfolio Website

June 10th, 2012, 04:21 PM	#1948
*NCT* Not Cwite There Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Shanghai, London, Nottingham Posts: 5,058 Likes (Received): 88	Canopies are still fairly widely used in appropriate locations with wide enough pavements, usually to provide shades for outside seatings or stalls, for which businesses have to pay the council. I don't think canopies are/were ever used on their own. It's also worth baring in mind that the perspective of the two images are different and Google Street View often gives a less-than-flattering portrayal. __________________ My Shanghai photos - Nanjing Road, People's Square, The Bund, Xintiandi and more!

June 10th, 2012, 05:47 PM	#1949
Bristol Mike Rain + Cold = England Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 4,071 Likes (Received): 253	Whoever had the idea of taking down those 8 historic buildings in Piccadilly offends reason! So much beautiful architecture has been lost to quite frankly idiotic developers! Very interesting pictures by the way. __________________ Ongoing Photo Threads: MADRID - YEAR ABROAD Recent/New Photo Threads: BURGOS, ARANJUEZ, SEGOVIA, CARDIFF, LONDON More Photo Threads Here

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June 16th, 2012, 01:01 AM	#1952
jamie1371 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hartlepool Posts: 383 Likes (Received): 15	here are some new scans from my collection, from these books, all images are 1200dpi - might take some time to load. image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr Last edited by jamie1371; June 16th, 2012 at 03:53 PM.

June 8th, 2012, 11:43 AM	#1941
WallyChops WallyChops Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Staffs Posts: 91 Likes (Received): 4	There's some great old archive films on the BBC Four London Collection http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collect...00synd3/london There's a poignant programme by John Betjeman and the Margaret Drabble film I Love This Dirty Town is really interesting. I love her comments late on about planners and councillors, though much of it obviously fell on deaf ears. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...is_Dirty_Town/

June 9th, 2012, 05:57 AM	#1944
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,607 Likes (Received): 36	the crown estates destroying this part of London, why don't they just refurbish??

June 10th, 2012, 02:15 PM	#1946
Light Parade Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 695 Likes (Received): 15	Interesting before and after on Holborn Viaduct, c/o The Champ: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1502036&page=3 The old Atlantic House was interesting at this level, but overbearing on Farringdon Road. The replacement is a mess, unredeemed by recreating a faux-Victorian stairway block.

June 16th, 2012, 08:23 PM	#1955
joamox Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,499 Likes (Received): 35	The image on the left shows Westminster Hospital behind the column in front of Westminster Abbey (Crimean War Memorial). A bit of the Sessions House can also be seen on the right. The hospital was completed and opened in 1834. It remained in use till 1939 and was pulled down in 1950. It is now the site of the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre. The Sessions House (Westminster Guildhall) was an octagonal building with a Doric portico, constructed by Samuel Pepys Cockerell in 1805. __________________ I am a Barbarian. OSL-ARC Mexichino Mexichino Flickr

June 17th, 2012, 09:57 AM	#1957
joshbc ネバーギブアップ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: PLanet Earth! Posts: 4,636 Likes (Received): 189	In truth, the old is a jewel that must be preserved and cheers for the photos guys.

June 17th, 2012, 10:02 AM	#1958
joshbc ネバーギブアップ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: PLanet Earth! Posts: 4,636 Likes (Received): 189	THAMES RIVER image hosted on flickr Old London by chalo84, on Flickr This is the essence of the past. image hosted on flickr Old London Bus RM1562 - London Transport - Traditional red Double Decker - Routemaster by sean price 101, on Flickr 1950 image hosted on flickr London transport RT's 3070,1692,3114 and 1702. Horse Guards Parade London October 30th 1950. by Ledlon89, on Flickr Last edited by joshbc; June 17th, 2012 at 10:08 AM.

June 17th, 2012, 11:00 PM	#1959
.Adam Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,555 Likes (Received): 28	Are you being ironic with your first photo?

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