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Old June 11th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #2541
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Exactly.
Yep, and because there is no decent competition nearby they are able to keep the prices high, only real competition are the hotels along KSD, and they are nothing to write home about. Novotel is modern and has easy access to both terminals, plus shopping and some cafe/restauraunts ( and Woolworths ) close by. When Novotel opened I thought the prices would be between about 170 and 190 AUD.

250 AUD is too expensive.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #2542
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Another JAL 772 charter today arr 1135 for the soccer tonight.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #2543
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Hey Tourismman,

What will be the approx annual passengers using BNE by the year 2020 as it will be a lot more movements on the runway and delays by then, before the 2nd runway is commisioned.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:13 PM   #2544
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Hi Jarden thanks for asking.

According to the below

http://bne.com.au/files/pdf/Final%20..._Chapter_4.pdf

Around 31.6 million pax and 280,000 aircraft movements

BNE will have 206,000 movements this current financial year up from 194,000 in 2010-11.

This past 5 days BNE has had a few charters

2 ATLAS 744F
1 QANTAS 763F
1 DHL 757F
2 JAL 772 PAX Charters
1 Saudia 772 pax vip charter
1 BBJ Middle East VIP charter.

Not bad hey !
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Old June 15th, 2012, 04:47 AM   #2545
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Thanks for the quick reply, so they have done a forecast already.
Will be interesting to see in 8 years how much they were out, and will have a lot more delays by then too we can be sure of that.
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Old June 15th, 2012, 09:10 AM   #2546
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Actually Jarden i have seen stats produced by both BAC and BITRE which show both the lowest statistical and highest statistical graphs of the proposed movement increases.Also every 5 years a new Brisbane masterplan is also produced which will update the planned movements and pax figures. The next one is due in 2014.

I know BAC have also done a proposal of 2020 with both the new runway in use as well as no new runway to compare the both.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 03:54 AM   #2547
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Got to Brisbane from Townsville via A320 airbus Jetstar last night. Man the airport such a maze! Its huge place now in contrast to like 4 years ago or so. It feels so weird...
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Old June 18th, 2012, 05:05 AM   #2548
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Got to Brisbane from Townsville via A320 airbus Jetstar last night. Man the airport such a maze! Its huge place now in contrast to like 4 years ago or so. It feels so weird...
Really? Its a supremely easy airport to use. Hasnt really changed in 4 years. Only some refurbishments and the Common User Satelite i guess.

In other news DFW - BNE will be moving to a daily service from 1 July. That means between VA and QF, BNE will have 17 weekly arrivals from North America. Not bad for a city with 2.5 million people.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 05:23 AM   #2549
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On another note, I wonder if VA has thought about operating BNE - MNL. Theres a large filipino community in Brisbane and all QF offer is a measly 1pw service. If they started with 3 weekly they would effectively push QF out and have the market to themselves.

Also, I think if Hawaiian, Garuda and JAL all came back the BNE we would be travelling quite well.

I have also read that Qatar have completely ruled out ever going to SYD (although thats a pretty crazy thing to say). I wonder if BNE is on the radar for them. Perhaps they could get in before Etihad increases to daily...whenever that will be.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #2550
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If PR can't make BNE-MNL work I doubt Virgin could either. Maybe Zest air or Cebu pacific with their low cost operation could make it viable. There is plenty of connecting flights to MNL on SQ,CX,BR and PX even JQ via DRW so there are options now but only the one non stop with QF.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #2551
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Jarden when PR pulled their BNE flight after only 7 months there were various reasons given by PAL, however the VIEW amongst the travel agent community was that it was pulled far too early and the thought was, it should have been allowed to stay, as bookings were improving.


Something people may not know is that every 6 months UA have their Pacific-Asia review of routes and BNE gets a mention quite often in these talks so dont give up on them ever returning.Mayby late this decade with 787's to SFO or somewhere.WHO KNOWS
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #2552
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It seems to me as though PR management don't seem to know what they're doing at times.

As far as Etihad going daily, before the end of the year apparently. Wonder if they'll all be via SIN? Be nice to see them go non stop to AUH. Though they'd need a different aircraft.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 01:10 PM   #2553
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What people seem to forget about PR is that before 1998 they flew every Saturday Sydney Brisbane Manilla for years and years on a DC10, only in the early nineties going to a 747 and A340. Of course I have been told even Sydney and Melbourne don't sell out that much. Nah, bring them back one day when things are better one QF flight a week is crap.

To say they couldn't make it work was crap - they didn't push the airline here.

As for Qatar, Hawaiin, JAL and Garuda - nothing concrete and depends on the state of the industry and aircraft, but they have not ruled out flying direct of Brisbane. It's all not beyond possiblity. But for now, I doubt we will see much international action. Why we don't have a stand alone SQ Cargo flight is beyond me.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #2554
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Well PR is under new management and are aiming to expand into the US with their new 777s. That is assuming the country is able to get back into category 1 status from the FAA. If they don't then perhaps then they might restart trips to BNE perhaps via SYD this time.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #2555
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Well PR is under new management and are aiming to expand into the US with their new 777s. That is assuming the country is able to get back into category 1 status from the FAA. If they don't then perhaps then they might restart trips to BNE perhaps via SYD this time.
scene yes you are right, I doubt in the short term but they have not ruled it out returning to Brisbane. Biggest issues are just the travel market, fuel, plane numbers etc etc, so it is not beyond possibility but a long-time, I think maybe someone knows they keep their landing rights in Queensland? Manilla is not a nice place but their return is remotely possible. At least they didn't say no forever. We will see.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #2556
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HAWAIIAN to BNE

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Hawaiian Says G'day to Brisbane, Adding Second Australian Gateway

HONOLULU June 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Hawaiian Airlines will begin offering nonstop flights between Honolulu and Brisbane, Australia, three times weekly starting Tuesday, November 27, 2012 , becoming the only US carrier to o perate service to Brisbane.



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Adding Brisbane service will increase Hawaiian's weekly flights between Honolulu and Australia to 10, with daily services already operating to Australia's largest city, Sydney.

President and CEO Mark Dunkerley said Brisbane would serve not only as the airline's second gateway to Australia but also as an important new source of tourism to Hawai'i.

"Australians love Hawai'i as a holiday destination, and visitor numbers have grown steadily since Hawaiian inaugurated service on the Sydney-Honolulu route in 2004," Dunkerley said. "That service reawakened Australian awareness and interest in Hawai'i, which had been under-served for over a decade.


"Competitors followed us and now, eight years later, Hawai'i is one of the most popular and fastest growing international holiday destinations for travelers from Australia," he said. "The Brisbane gateway will provide much easier access to Hawai'i for residents of the State of Queensland, and more convenient connections for travelers from a number of other Australian states."

Hawaiian's new Brisbane service will add more than 40,000 seats annually between Australia and Hawai'i, and increase its total seat numbers from Australia by 38 percent.

Mike McCartney, president and CEO of the Hawai'i Tourism Authority (HTA), commented, "Hawaiian's starting of service between Brisbane and Honolulu is great news for our tourism economy, as this new route will provide better connectivity for Australians to visit the Hawaiian Islands. Hawai'i continues to be a popular destination in Australia with arrivals for first quarter 2012 increasing 55 percent over last year. We anticipate this flight to contribute to this continual growth and expansion, and wish Hawaiian success on this new route."

The HTA estimates that Hawaiian's Brisbane-Honolulu service will generate $83 million in visitor expenditures and $9 million in tax revenue annually for Hawai'i.

Centrally located on Australia's east coast, Brisbane is the capital city of the State of Queensland, home of the world-famous Great Barrier Reef, world heritage listed rainforests, iconic outback locations and the renowned leisure regions of the Gold and Sunshine Coasts.

Brisbane also is a key hub for onward travel throughout Australia, and Hawaiian's new flights will be timed to connect with same-day services throughout Queensland and to other states, through an interline partnership with domestic carrier Virgin Australia.

Ticket sales for the new service will commence at a later date to be announced.

Hawaiian Airlines flight HA 443, will depart Honolulu at 10:20 a.m. every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, cross the international dateline and land in Brisbane at 4:00 p.m. the following day, in time for onward connections to destinations throughout Australia. Journey time is approximately nine hours.

The return service, flight HA 444, will depart Brisbane at 6:35 p.m. every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, cross the international dateline and arrive in Honolulu at 8:05 a.m. the same day, providing not only an early arrival into Honolulu, but the ability for passengers to connect with onward Hawaiian Airlines flights to Maui, Kaua'i and Hawai'i Island.

Hawaiian's Brisbane flights will be operated with Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, seating 262 passengers in a two-class cabin – 18 in Business Class and 244 in Economy Class.

About Hawaiian Airlines

Hawaiian has led all U.S. carriers in on-time performance for each of the past eight years (2004-2011) as reported by the U.S. Department of Transportation. Consumer surveys by Conde Nast Traveler, Travel + Leisure and Zagat have all ranked Hawaiian as the top domestic airline serving Hawai'i.

Now in its 83rd year of continuous service, Hawaiian is Hawai'i's biggest and longest-serving airline, as well as the largest provider of passenger air service from its primary visitor markets on the U.S. mainland. Hawaiian offers nonstop service to Hawai'i from more U.S. gateway cities (11) than any other airline, along with service to Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, American Samoa, and Tahiti. Hawaiian also provides approximately 170 daily jet flights between the Hawaiian Islands.

Hawaiian Airlines, Inc. is a subsidiary of Hawaiian Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: HA). Additional information is available at HawaiianAirlines.com. Follow updates on Twitter about Hawaiian (@HawaiianAir) and its special fare offers (@HawaiianFares), and become a fan on its Facebook page (Hawaiian Airlines).

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Old June 19th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #2557
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Ahhh thats fantastic news to read this morning.
Great find there Tourismman. Congrats to BNE too, HA may have seen there was a market for it when Air Australia could fill its flights before. Jetstar was asleep at the wheel as usual.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #2558
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Brilliant news!!!
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Old June 20th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #2559
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Oh my god! That is amazing!!!!
Suck it Melbourne (just kidding)!!!
Am I psychic???
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Old June 20th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #2560
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As suggested by Jarden. Obviously there was a proven market they could jump on due to Air Australia previously operating the route. Given the connections available on Virgin Australia from Brisbane also, this is an obvious choice for them as a second port.
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