Philippine Defense Forces

[tigidig14]

Originally Posted by Nabartek

Sinong papa? Papa sugar, papa chang, papa aji o papa kim?

papachen

[KRipler]

Are you from the AFP??? could you give us the inventory of SF-260=???T-41=??? S-211=??? so ano sa palagay mo ginagawa ng mga piloto ng mga planes na yan???namamasyal lang sa himpapawid???ginagamit nating close air support at mga bomber yang mga trainers na yan tas sasabihin mo hinde trained mga piloto natin??? bakit nga ba bibili pa ng mga eroplano dahil ba pang harap sa mga commies dba???so ano palagay mo maihaharap ng mga trainers??? ano sa palagay mo gusto mong itawag??? mga KApatid, Comrade, or chinese???unfair naman sa ibang chinese, mas magandang commies or pirata,..[/QUOTE]

i think it`s your call to do the research kung ilan lahat paf planes natin para mas maniwala k.
I know we have ample amount of t41`s and sf260`s. But they are not jet trainers. They are prerequisite to flying jet trainers and do not have the same flying and control platforms with mrf. Its like you want to operate a cruiser kasi you know na how to operate a bangkang de makina. Ganun ang difference ng technolgy between t41 and sf260 sa mrfs. Ang point of discussions dito ay kung ilan ang s211 natin kasi yun ang kelangan bago mkgamit ng mrf kasi paeeho sila jets.

No.im not with the afp but its not that hard to understand their choice. Its their expertise anyway. Ikaw? Are you with the afp ? Or are more knowledgeable with planes to belittle their judgement?

They are not only looking at jet trainers. It' thier dream to acquire mrfs too. But they know how incapable of operating they are now be it financially or technically. So they are being patient to meet the desired requirements to have mrfs step by step.

I know we badly wanted it for them. So lets be patient too.

[KRipler]

Originally Posted by jpdm

Agree. This is what we really need for now.

It is reAlly what we need. Saka, why hurry? We are hArrassed but not attacked militarily. We do have the support of major powers plus papa US. Are we on the brink of war? Are we ready to negatively disrupt our economy just to hasten our afp modernization? Are we ready to lessen enough of our education, lgu, ageiculture, and other government allocations vital to our society and economy just to make a show of deterrent to hostile country? And do you think china will stop its aggressive stance once we bought our 1at to fourth squadron of mrfs given their thousands of mrfs, ballisyic miasiles, nuclear warhwads etc?

Think again.

[vishaya]

Gov’t to ‘re-evaluate’ re-deployment of ships in Panatag

MANILA, Philippines - The government will have to re-evaluate its options whether or not ships will be deployed back to the Scarborough Shoal once the weather clears.

In an interview with radio dzRB, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte did not comment if the deployment will be based on consequent decisions from China. She only said: “If the weather improves, there will be a reevaluation, but that’s it.”

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06...-ships-panatag


i don't like how this sounds... seems like there's a possibility our government and military are finally giving up...

[d7beast]

Originally Posted by KRipler

i think it`s your call to do the research kung ilan lahat paf planes natin para mas maniwala k.
I know we have ample amount of t41`s and sf260`s. But they are not jet trainers. They are prerequisite to flying jet trainers and do not have the same flying and control platforms with mrf. Its like you want to operate a cruiser kasi you know na how to operate a bangkang de makina. Ganun ang difference ng technolgy between t41 and sf260 sa mrfs. Ang point of discussions dito ay kung ilan ang s211 natin kasi yun ang kelangan bago mkgamit ng mrf kasi paeeho sila jets.

No.im not with the afp but its not that hard to understand their choice. Its their expertise anyway. Ikaw? Are you with the afp ? Or are more knowledgeable with planes to belittle their judgement?

They are not only looking at jet trainers. It' thier dream to acquire mrfs too. But they know how incapable of operating they are now be it financially or technically. So they are being patient to meet the desired requirements to have mrfs step by step.

I know we badly wanted it for them. So lets be patient too.

f18's or f16s are our immediate needs right now, not trainers, we have enough fighter pilots to handle up to 2 squadrons as these planes are more stable and more advance than mere trainers if you noticed on attached videos, if they can handle the s-211 superbly how can you think they need more training? i remember in the 90s the PAF chief even fly the f18s without doing some refresher training and he noticed that it's very easy to handle compared to all of the planes in PAFs inventory from the past and the present,..okay lang yung step by step kung walang existing threat kaso dkaba nababahala sa mga ginagawa ng mga pirata sa teritoryo natin? habang nagpapakita tayo ng kahinaan, lalo lang tayong i-haharass ng mga commies na ito,..

[Nabartek]

Originally Posted by vishaya

Gov’t to ‘re-evaluate’ re-deployment of ships in Panatag



http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06...-ships-panatag


i don't like how this sounds... seems like there's a possibility our government and military are finally giving up...

I hope they just mean military ships but not the coast guard

[KRipler]

Originally Posted by d7beast

f18's or f16s are our immediate needs right now, not trainers, we have enough fighter pilots to handle up to 2 squadrons as these planes are more stable and more advance than mere trainers if you noticed on attached videos, if they can handle the s-211 superbly how can you think they need more training? i remember in the 90s the PAF chief even fly the f18s without doing some refresher training and he noticed that it's very easy to handle compared to all of the planes in PAFs inventory from the past and the present,..okay lang yung step by step kung walang existing threat kaso dkaba nababahala sa mga ginagawa ng mga pirata sa teritoryo natin? habang nagpapakita tayo ng kahinaan, lalo lang tayong i-haharass ng mga commies na ito,..

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p1HI4oSgYU&feature=related">YouTube Link</a>

Yes. I strongly agree with you n real mrfs talaga ang isa sa mga major deterrent against territorial incursions. But our military are not just plain about war. There`s a lot of things they are considering. Pinakauna yung budget to acquire. Sabi mo with $1.6b kaya n bumili ng two brand new squadron of mrfs. But they are for plain acquisition. How about yung cost ng training? Maintenance and operation cost? New air bases for them to stay (kelangan gumAwa ng bagong dedicated air bases for them to strategically position them in our country).

Alam nyo guys. Dalawa lang nman talga ang hindrance ng pg acquire ng mga mrfs : cost, and proper & excellent skills.

Another thing bakit di mxado n prioritize ang mrfs kasi di p nman capable ang china mg project ng air assets sa pinas not unless truly operational n ang kanilang carriers which will take several years more. Enough time to strengthen our fiscal condition to acquire and operate mrfs. So justifiable p rin ang advanced trainer jets. They are faster kasi mac1 plus sila. And can carry the role of coastal patrol and is capable of posing a threat to chicom ships.

So what's really needed ng afp are more na y assets kasi chicom navy ang may kakayahang mang asar sA atin. We need more intimidating ships with the right capability n kayang mkipag titigan sa kanila ng patas and can pose threat against their incursions. That's why mas malaki ang makukuhang budget ng navy for the first few years.

But right after equipping our navy with minimum credible force, im quite sure paf n ang susunod kasi operational n mgacarriers ng china.

[Arvor]

i remember in the 90s the PAF chief even fly the f18s without doing some refresher training and he noticed that it's very easy to handle compared to all of the planes in PAFs inventory from the past and the present

I doubt he flew it alone and was likely accompanied by a host pilot who simply gave him a try on the controls once up in the sky it's no big deal but it doesn't make him proficient in flying one, he would have struggled to even operate the avionics properly and would have been shot down in combat by a regular F18 nato/alliance pilot .

Ive had the pleasure of "flying" R22 helicopters and small single engined planes on various ocassions on "initiation flight's" this means that a pilot does the take off and landings while i get to be handed controls in the air, and yeah it's easy to then "fly" when there's someone sitting next to you to do the more complicated stuff but i still don't have a pilots license and doesn't qualify me to start flying helicopters or planes .

f18's or f16s are our immediate needs right now, not trainers, we have enough fighter pilots to handle up to 2 squadrons as these planes are more stable and more advance than mere trainers if you noticed on attached videos, if they can handle the s-211 superbly how can you think they need more training?

To be frank the majority of people who has an inkling on the issue and professionals would disagree with your opinions on how to implement modernisation and the pace of it even if they might agree on the need for mrf's, there is a difference between needs and reality and you don't seem to understand the complexities involve in how a modern air force works but you are of course entitled to your opinion and i suppose it's best to leave it at that .

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The admirals statements regarding the step by step upgrade of the military is quite sensible and realistic as it should be .

As a general statement we need advanced trainers before we are able to have a credible pool of pilots ready to fly mrf's and to maintain their skills, the need for mrf's is pressing but not critical the step by step approach and the pace of upgrade if it is kept up is satisfactory and the correct way to procede .

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From the simple aspect of cost alone it is better to have pilots flying modern advanced trainers that can mimick the flight carachteristics of mrf's to keep up skills and flying hours and imo the M346 master would be the best trainer/lead in fighter for the air force .

Basic training

After the ab-inito phase a candidate may progress to basic trainers/primary trainers. These are usually turboprop trainers like the Pilatus PC-9 and Embraer Tucano. Modern turbo-prop trainers can replicate the handling characteristics of jet aircraft as well as having sufficient performance to assess a candidate's technical ability at an aircraft controls, reaction speed and ability to anticipate events. Prior to the availability of high performance turboprops, basic training was conducted with jet aircraft such as the BAC Jet Provost, T-37 Tweet, and Fouga Magister. Those candidates who are not suitable to continue training as fast jet pilots may be offered flying commissions and train to fly multi-engined aircraft e.g. transport and tanker aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-in...ghter_training

Advanced training

Those that progress to training for fast jet flying will then progress to an advanced trainer, typically capable of high subsonic speeds, high-energy manoeuvers, and equipped with systems that simulate modern weapons and surveillance. Examples of such jet trainer aircraft include the T-38 Talon (actually capable of supersonic speeds), the BAE Hawk, the Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet, the Aero L-39 and the FMA IA 63 Pampa.

Effective combat aircraft are a function now of electronics as much as if not more so than the aerobatic ability or speed of an aircraft. It is at this stage that a pilot begins to learn to operate radar systems and electronics. Modern advanced trainers feature programmable multi-function displays which can be programmed to simulate different electronic systems and scenarios. Most advanced trainers do not have radar systems of their own, but onboard systems can be programmed to simulate radar contacts. With datalinks and GPS virtual radar systems can be created with similarly equipped aircraft relaying to each other their positions in real time and onboard computers creating a "Radar display" based on this information. The aim of programmable displays is to speed pilot training by replicating as far as possible the systems a pilot will find in an operational aircraft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-in...ghter_training

Lead-in fighter training

Lead-in fighter training (LIFT) utilises advanced jet trainer aircraft with avionics and stores-management capability that emulate operational fighter planes, to provide efficient training in combat scenarios with reduced training cost compared to moving straight to operational conversion. The on-board avionics system may be linked to ground-based systems, and together they can simulate situations such as infrared or radar guided missile, interceptors, air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft batteries, radars, chaff and flare countermeasures and collision warnings, in low or dense electronic warfare environments. Systems may also be able to re-enact true-to-life combat situations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-in...ghter_training

Once they have qualified in being able to fly a specific type of aircraft and have learned to use these aircraft to best effect, pilots will continue with regular training exercises to maintain qualifications on that aircraft and to improve their skills, for example the USAFs Red Flag exercises. Deployments of small flights of aircraft together with support staff and equipment to exercises conducted by other nations can be used to develop fighting skills and interservice and inter unit competitions in bombing and gunnery between units can also be used to develop those skills .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-in...ghter_training

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PS in the 70's before i was born my mom and dad had contracts with the US military in Clark and had lots of friends in the US military one of those friends was a fighter pilot and he took my mom up on an F4 for a joyride and she also managed to get invited for another joyride on a visiting F15, im sure my mom has enough experience to fly F18's lol ! .

[d7beast]

Originally Posted by KRipler

Yes. I strongly agree with you n real mrfs talaga ang isa sa mga major deterrent against territorial incursions. But our military are not just plain about war. There`s a lot of things they are considering. Pinakauna yung budget to acquire. Sabi mo with $1.6b kaya n bumili ng two brand new squadron of mrfs. But they are for plain acquisition. How about yung cost ng training? Maintenance and operation cost? New air bases for them to stay (kelangan gumAwa ng bagong dedicated air bases for them to strategically position them in our country).

Alam nyo guys. Dalawa lang nman talga ang hindrance ng pg acquire ng mga mrfs : cost, and proper & excellent skills.

Another thing bakit di mxado n prioritize ang mrfs kasi di p nman capable ang china mg project ng air assets sa pinas not unless truly operational n ang kanilang carriers which will take several years more. Enough time to strengthen our fiscal condition to acquire and operate mrfs. So justifiable p rin ang advanced trainer jets. They are faster kasi mac1 plus sila. And can carry the role of coastal patrol and is capable of posing a threat to chicom ships.

So what's really needed ng afp are more na y assets kasi chicom navy ang may kakayahang mang asar sA atin. We need more intimidating ships with the right capability n kayang mkipag titigan sa kanila ng patas and can pose threat against their incursions. That's why mas malaki ang makukuhang budget ng navy for the first few years.

But right after equipping our navy with minimum credible force, im quite sure paf n ang susunod kasi operational n mgacarriers ng china.

this is simple logic, take for example why china cannot threaten taiwan over the expanse in taiwan strait? it's because of the taiwanese air superiority at the moment. Do you think any of the commies naval ships can threaten f18s in actual combat? and why should we wait for the carrier to launch before we buy those fighters? we need it now, and so far no commies plane can out-perform f18s or f16s, most of their fighters are copies of the exact originals but not the performance. para lang clang nag-produce ng mga fighters using a massive 3D printer,..
Cno naman may sabi sayong kailangan nating ng airbase? an laki ng subic, clark, sa palawan, sa zambo, tsaka immediate needs ay one squadron lang, 4 in zambo/davao, 4 in palawan, 4 in subic-clark, that's 720MUSD total kung gusto nila 9 muna 3 each main islands, so our western territories are well-covered,..

[Arvor]

Thailand ordered brand new Gripens from Sweden in 2008 the first deliveries didn't occur until 2011, so even if the PAF had the means to buy brand new F18's today it would still take 3 or 4 years before the product is ready for delivery and pilots and ground crew are trained and ready to handle them .

Just to negotiate and conclude a contract/deal could take month's if everything goes smoothly .

I am fine with the timeframe of 2013/14 for new trainers and 2017/18 for mrf's, so let's say 6 F18 Super Hornets at a cost of around half a billion to several hundred million $ to be delivered by 2017/18 and then the acquisition of second hand RAAF super hornets from 2020 ... .

So mag ipon na kung gusto magkaroon ng mrf's .. at least 100 billion pesos .

[gmaer]

Originally Posted by d7beast

that's why i'm asking how many trainers we have right now? i think more or less 20 SF-260s, T-41s, S-266s. What is our immediate needs? are we serious in protecting our EEZ? then we should procure real and advance fighters! if they have the budget, then buy some additional trainers. we need those f18s or f16s right now not in the next 5years, at that time we have no more territories left. How come malaysia have advance fighters? they have migs, tornados, f18s, while our pilots trained more than them as we have business in containing insurgencies in the country, our pilots are more experienced than any of our neighbors. trainers are not the factor in procuring advance fighters in our case, if we have some spare budget, get first the f18s, then some trainers. in our situation the cutter is a lousy ship after it was castrated. we do not need high endurance but sitting ducks cutters. at 200miles distance from our shores, our EEZ can be well protected by numerous well-armed fast attack crafts. if they like they can station a tanker nearby (they can build one). if we are serious in defending our territories, let's get serious in buying war materials, money cannot pay our country's survival we need to shell out big amount immediately procuring all these stuffs.

You don't know what you're talking about so STOP TROLLING!

Get fighters first before trainers? How will you train the pilot to fly a fighter jet if you don't have a trainer jet? A turboprop trainer is different from a jet trainer!

What S-266 are you talking about? We don't have such aircraft!

Our PAF has 18 brand SF-260F that are currently used for pilot training because the older SF-260 M & TP models are used for COIN warfare. Our PAF also has about 29 T-41 Mescaleros used for pilot training after student pilots are done with classroom lecture and flight sims.

We lack advanced trainer jets and FYI our PAF will be buying advanced trainer jets with combat capability so it can be used for both jet pilot training and air defense as we wait for additional funding to buy real fighter jets.

Originally Posted by d7beast

f18's or f16s are our immediate needs right now, not trainers,

Our DND has already junked the idea of buying the F-16 Falcon.

Originally Posted by d7beast

we have enough fighter pilots to handle up to 2 squadrons as these planes are more stable and more advance than mere trainers if you noticed on attached videos, if they can handle the s-211 superbly how can you think they need more training?

We don't have enough fighter pilots to handle up to 2 squadrons because most of our student pilots who graduate from flying the SF-260 are assigned to fly other aircraft such as the OV-10, SF-260 attack version, C-130, Nomad, and the F-27 due to our lack of advanced trainer jets. The S-211 is no longer used as an advanced trainer jet but for air defense because we don't have real fighter jets yet for air defense after the F-5 was retired in 2005.

Originally Posted by d7beast

i remember in the 90s the PAF chief even fly the f18s without doing some refresher training and he noticed that it's very easy to handle compared to all of the planes in PAFs inventory from the past and the present,..okay lang yung step by step kung walang existing threat kaso dkaba nababahala sa mga ginagawa ng mga pirata sa teritoryo natin? habang nagpapakita tayo ng kahinaan, lalo lang tayong i-haharass ng mga commies na ito,..

That PAF chief was an F-5 pilot and he had refresher training before climbing the cockpit of the F/A-18 Hornet. The Hornet is a 2-seat fighter jet, the PAF chief flew with an experienced USN pilot as the back sitter.

[gmaer]

Originally Posted by d7beast

this is simple logic, take for example why china cannot threaten taiwan over the expanse in taiwan strait? it's because of the taiwanese air superiority at the moment.

Taiwan has US backing and support. Most of their weapons are made in America and like us, they have an MDT with the United States.

Originally Posted by d7beast

Do you think any of the commies naval ships can threaten f18s in actual combat?

The Chinese warships are armed with air defense missiles and anti-aircraft Gatling guns that can shoot down ANY enemy aircraft.

Originally Posted by d7beast

and why should we wait for the carrier to launch before we buy those fighters?

The Chinese aircraft carrier will not be assigned in the South China Sea, it will be 4 years before the naval fighter jet that will be assigned to this Chinese aircraft carrier will be produced.

FYI It takes at least 2 years to buy a brand new fighter jet and another year to train a fighter jet pilot.

Originally Posted by d7beast

we need it now, and so far no commies plane can out-perform f18s or f16s, most of their fighters are copies of the exact originals but not the performance. para lang clang nag-produce ng mga fighters using a massive 3D printer,..

As long as we have an MDT with the mighty United States, we don't need them (F/A-18 and F-16) now because we have like 4 years to prepare.

Never under estimate the capabilities of these Chinese fighter jets because they can shoot down an F/A-18 and F-16 that is flown by a fighter pilot that lacks experience, in this case a Filipino pilot who will be flying an American fighter jet for the 1st time.

Originally Posted by d7beast

Cno naman may sabi sayong kailangan nating ng airbase? an laki ng subic, clark, sa palawan, sa zambo, tsaka immediate needs ay one squadron lang, 4 in zambo/davao, 4 in palawan, 4 in subic-clark, that's 720MUSD total kung gusto nila 9 muna 3 each main islands, so our western territories are well-covered,..

Does the $720 US million already includes training, logistics, maintenance and operating cost?

[gmaer]

Italy offers their 1st batch of Eurofighter Typhoons to the Philippines after an unsuccessful deal to Romania but can we afford it?

Manila wants the Italian aircraft. Aquino: "Forging a strong military cooperation between the two countries'

Gianandrea Gaiani the June 16, 2012


The Philippines wants to strengthen their Italian weapons and military equipment to meet the growing Chinese penetration in the Pacific. The visit of the Minister of Defense Giampaolo Di Paola in Manila (which followed that of his counterpart Philippine Gazmin, in Rome last January) enhanced 'cooperation in the defense sector "as stated in a statement posted on the site www.difesa . it . "During the talks, were discussed issues related to cooperation between the two countries in industry" refers to the note without going into details but they will be widely covered by the press of Manila and China.

Di Paola also met with General Jessie Dellosa the head of the armed forces and the Philippine president, Benigno S. Aquino III, who spoke of "forging a stronger military cooperation between the two countries' as part of an agreement aimed at accelerating the Italian military supplies to Manila. Aquino has confirmed its interest in acquiring control radar coastal cargo aircraft C-27J tactical, maritime patrol aircraft ATR-72MP aircraft and fighter but Il Sole 24 Ore reported in early June had the interest to buy in Manila missile frigates and patrol boats of radar coming from the ranks of our Navy.




The Philippine armed forces are already customers of the Italian from whom he purchased the Alenia Aermacchi trainers advanced 211th S-18 basic trainers SF 260 also in counterinsurgency. The growing threat of China and the escalation of the crisis for the control of the archipelago of Scarborough led Manila to launch a program of military buildup that provides funding for 1.6 billion dollars. Two destroyers were purchased second hand from the U.S. Coast Guard, and Aquino was expressly addressed to Barack Obama asking U.S. forces to deploy on Philippine territory radar, ships and maritime patrol aircraft.

In fact it speaks specifically to reopen the bases of Subic Bay and Clark Field, abandoned by the Americans in 1992 at the request of the Philippine government. Despite the announcement of the Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, about the reinforcement of U.S. forces in the Pacific, the Philippines seem to seek aid in Europe and especially in Italy. The Manila Bulletin emphasizes the waiver to purchase twenty F-16 and the American desire to equip the Philippine Air Force, now devoid of fighter jets, bombers with Europeans. One area in which Italy could offer the EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon products by the European Consortium although Manila can hardly afford to buy new planes so sophisticated.

Rome, however, could give one or two dozen airplanes in the first series already in service with our aircraft already proposed.

Used Google Translator: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notiz...?uuid=AbecYZtF

[leofriends]

OMG baka isang EF-2000 pa lng mamulubi na tau.. paanu pa maintenance nya.. for sure it would be on high cost also..

[gmaer]

The Costs of Enduring Freedom
By JAMES DAO
Published: November 18, 2001

EXPENSIVE AIRTIME

The daily bombing attacks on Afghanistan have typically involved about 60 strike aircraft, accompanied by support aircraft such as midair refueling tankers. Most of those sorties are being flown by carrier-based F-18 fighter jets, which typically fly missions of 6 hours or more.

PLANE (not to scale): F-18 fighter jet

OPERATING COSTS (per hour)* -- $5,000 x 6 hours = $30,000

*Includes fuel, spare parts, maintenance and wear and tear; based on 1998 estimates

Operation and maintenance cost could be higher today considering the age of the aircraft.

[Beam Magnum]

Originally Posted by gmaer

Italy offers their 1st batch of Eurofighter Typhoons to the Philippines after an unsuccessful deal to Romania but can we afford it?

Used Google Translator: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notiz...?uuid=AbecYZtF

I dont know but the economy growth is in 6.4 in 1st Qtr. the next 2nd Qtr. ....sana masmataas.

Yes I believe we can afford it.

[gmaer]

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...omplex-project

For one, the "life cycle cost" of operating the Typhoon over a 40-year period, with 6,000 hours of flying, was found to be "higher" than Rafale after extensive calculations of flight costs, spares, maintenance and the like. "The life cycle costs were actually the tool to determine who was L-1 (lowest bidder)," he said.

For another, the difference in the 'direct acquisition cost', which will actually be used to ink the contract, was even bigger. "The Typhoon's commercial bid was way too high. Rafale was the clear L-1 in both life cycle as well as direct acquisition costs," he added.

Who has the figures on the operating cost of the French Dassault Rafale?

[KRipler]

Originally Posted by d7beast

this is simple logic, take for example why china cannot threaten taiwan over the expanse in taiwan strait? it's because of the taiwanese air superiority at the moment. Do you think any of the commies naval ships can threaten f18s in actual combat? and why should we wait for the carrier to launch before we buy those fighters? we need it now, and so far no commies plane can out-perform f18s or f16s, most of their fighters are copies of the exact originals but not the performance. para lang clang nag-produce ng mga fighters using a massive 3D printer,..
Cno naman may sabi sayong kailangan nating ng airbase? an laki ng subic, clark, sa palawan, sa zambo, tsaka immediate needs ay one squadron lang, 4 in zambo/davao, 4 in palawan, 4 in subic-clark, that's 720MUSD total kung gusto nila 9 muna 3 each main islands, so our western territories are well-covered,..

No it is not with their air force but bexause of US commitment to taiwan.

Saka yung planes ng chicoms di kayang umabot ng pinas.

What i mean with more ships is to intimidate and deny the the chicom navy of the area by physically block their ships with ours. They wont ram our ships kasi it would mean war and US is on our rescue.

Yun kasi problem ntin ngaun. Incursion sa dagat natin. And theres nothing greater strategy than to deny them entry of our seas litteraly.
E yung mrfs and mssiles, how can they prevent enemy ships from incursions without resorting to bombing them? The best thing for now ia prioritize our ships and continue on honing our paf step by step.

[Beam Magnum]

As for the 2 ship pulling out from Butchoy they should send the BRP. The Cheek might think we are withdrawing and using it as a advantage propaganda tools.

[Askal82]

What's going on here?

Anyway, I think the message is that you can't upgrade these things overnight like the airforce as a glaring example. You don't simply buy these expensive toys and take it to a joyride cold turkey . Spending on defense is an investment to ensure that the outcome is favorable with a very high success rate.

It also highlights the failure of the past administrations in addressing and assessing the external threats the country faces.