Al Hashimi Questions and answers

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Lol, so you did not call me an Sunni Arab terrorist and "bedu" Arab terrorist?

eh? no. I called you a "sunni-arab-terrorist-troll" i.e. based upon your proud support for terrorists in Iraq (who you have still not managed to show us a "group" of, who did not murder Iraqis.

Or you did not insult the Hashemites - my tribe?

eh? where? I insulted only the so-called "royal" family installed on Iraq. Couldn't give a fig's leaf about any other people called hashemis (my mother's paternal side is in fact hashemi from hejaz).

Nobody trolled anything. I actually had civil and nice discussions with other members until you felt butt heart and wanted the limelight. Even other members found your thread dedicated to me very stupid.

you mean the health thread, filled with your one-topic nonsense? or all the other threads with the same one-topic nonsense?

Lol, my point have already been proven when you say that the average Anbari's deserved the destruction they suffered.

eh? where did I write that?

If someone is primitive here then it's you.

you're entitled to your opinion.

Yes, 30 million Iraqis lived during the war. Not all of them are tough guys for that reason. I surely would not call you one based on your behaviour today. I also can't imagine that you lived in a dangerous area with such a big mouth.

naah. most Iraqis would not drive through triangle of death ALONE week in week out. drive out into the desert with only a GPS (Iraqis don't even know how to use one, to even go the the places I drove to)... etc... so yes, I was working in "tougher" areas than most Iraqis... though I did turn down work in Hamrin! LOL. I'm not suicidal (otherwise I'd have joined your resistance heroes).

Yes, and that's only a compliment since I can't imagine myself acting like you if I live to be as old as you (30-40 years old) Rest assured.

Why grow up? Its boring.

Ali-Iraq:

LOL, I am not Anbari although I have relatives who live/lived there - the Shammari part of my family who are originally from Ha'il. I just stated a fact - that this Sheytan (what a stupid username) would end up in a coffin if he had insulted the average Anbari in the same manner as he did with me.

naah. my name on the ID card alone would be enough to get me beheaded! PS. I'd driven around much of anbar too, as well as Tirkit, samara, mosul, hawija etc... (my wife's from hawija btw! LOL and my mother's a "proper" hashemite from hejaz... so why would I insult her...).

Or anyone else in Iraq for that matter as a "stranger".

Only people I insulted were the old royal family, and since they're political/historical figures they're "fair game" for insults... your insults to me however are not.

[Al-Hashimi]

Why are you lying? It was clear for everyone and I have even quoted your posts so there is no escaping even if you have edited your posts since then.

You called the Hashemite kings "bedu" Arabs and since I belong to that tribe you also insulted me and thousands of other's if not millions.

Yeah, so one-topic (whatever that means) that I and 2 other members had a civil discussion? There was no insults.

The only insulsts there was tonight was those aimed at me, which you started and my replies.

Should I quote you or what? It was your reply to my post number 333 in the "Question about Iraq" thread. You are not fooling anyone here. All I say can quickly be seen since I have quoted your posts. Don't know who you are trying to fool.

Yes, you are a great hero and a tough guy. Congratulations.

Yeah, and what's your name then? Are you not a Shammari? Most of them are Sunnis.

LOL, all Hashemites are originally from Hejaz. My father's tribe are originally from Hejaz and related to the Ashraf's of Makkah. The tribe came to Iraq during the Abbasid Caliphate but my branch of the tribe came when the Ottomans were around. There are a lot of Sayyid's and Ashraf's in general in Iraq due to it's rich Islamic history.

Yeah, you did not call me an "bedu" primitive Arab, nor did you insult my tribe or called me an Sunni Arab terrorist?

You also did not refer to all Saudi Arabians on this forum as primitive right?

Yet again, I don't know who you are trying to fool. It's getting pretty pathetic for a person your age.

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Why are you lying? It was clear for everyone and I have even quoted your posts so there is no escaping even if you have edited your posts since then.

You called the Hashemite kings "bedu" Arabs and since I belong to that tribe you also insulted me and thousands of other's if not millions.

is it an insult to be called a bedu?

Should I quote you or what? It was your reply to my post number 333 in the "Question about Iraq" thread. You are not fooling anyone here. All I say can quickly be seen since I have quoted your posts. Don't know who you are trying to fool.

go ahead.

Yes, you are a great hero and a tough guy. Congratulations.

thanks. I do my best

Yeah, and what's your name then? Are you not a Shammari? Most of them are Sunnis.

how wrong you are.

LOL, all Hashemites are originally from Hejaz. My father's tribe are originally from Hejaz and related to the Ashraf's of Makkah. The tribe came to Iraq during the Abbasid Caliphate but my branch of the tribe came when the Ottomans were around. There are a lot of Sayyid's and Ashraf's in general in Iraq due to it's rich Islamic history.

so. I know this since my mother is a Hejazi hashemi from Makkah who came to Iraq in the 19th century. anyway.

Yeah, you did not call me an "bedu" primitive Arab, nor did you insult my tribe or called me an Sunni Arab terrorist?

no.

You also did not refer to all Saudi Arabians on this forum as primitive right?

no. mesch is cool

Yet again, I don't know who you are trying to fool. It's getting pretty pathetic for a person your age.

that's life.

[Al-Hashimi]

Anyway this whole thread is a joke and the reason for you creating it as well.

[sheytanElKebir]

so basically you threw a wobbly, for want of a better word without switching to french, because I said the "so-called royal family" are FOREIGN bedu upstarts installed by britain who created an upper class out of uncouth bedu and destroyed Iraq's NATIVE athuri, jewish, persian and other communities and good riddance to them for that. Is that it? That's the vibe I'm getting.

Learn a bit about Iraq's history from a non-royalist source.

[Al-Hashimi]

Yes, since you meant it in a primitive way and it's called bedouin. They are one of the most peaceful people around. But that's another discussion.

Just read your own posts and my replies. Don't expect me to quote anything (I rarely quote anything even when I reply) written in another thread this late.

There are about 6 million Shammari's in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Syria. Most are Sunnis. Even in Iraq most Shammari's are Sunnis, at least those that have lived/live in Al-Anbar such as that part of my family.

Good, so why the "proper" Hashimi remark?

Lol, come on. You are really doing your outmost to force me to quote you and make this pointless discussion continue on an night where the third NBA Finals game is going to be played.

Most Saudis are cool, at least those from Hejaz, Northern Najdi and Aseer/Najran. But I might be a little biased since I am probably more "Saudi" than "Iraqi" whathever both imply.

[sheytanElKebir]

i wouldn't call the bedu peaceful! LOL (all the bandits and most of the cut-throats are bedu) read some ottoman era documents by both Ottomans and european consuls in Iraq for confirmation... and most "shammar" in iraq are shia btw it is true that the ones in anbar/ninawa deserts are "proper" shammar bedu and in the south they are sedentary people who are "miltemin" from the 19th century. but then when I think of "Iraqis" I think mostly about the sedentary people of "rafidain" who are not bedu and these "tribal" titles are inherited from the times of troubles in the 19th century when people were pretty much FORCED to join these "tribes" for protection. I do know our family name from before then, and it is arabic, but not shammari of course

[Sinjar]

Al-Hashimi, why did Faisal became the king of Iraq?

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

so basically you threw a wobbly, for want of a better word without switching to french, because I said the "so-called royal family" are FOREIGN bedu upstarts installed by britain who created an upper class out of uncouth bedu and destroyed Iraq's NATIVE athuri, jewish, persian and other communities and good riddance to them for that. Is that it? That's the vibe I'm getting.

Learn a bit about Iraq's history from a non-royalist source.

More of the "bedu" primitive nonsense. They were all honorouble and wise people. More than you can say of the illiterate bunch that followed afterwards and destroyed the country.

LOL, since when are Jewish and Iranis native to Iraq? Jewish (as all other Semetic people) can claim that they come from the area of Iraq but that's only because the earliest known Semetic civilization (Akkadian) were based in current day Iraq.

And nobody forced anyone out. It was the people. Also the same already happened under the Ottomans and continued after the honorouble Kings.

There are still a lot of Christians left in Iraq and they are much better than in any other Arab/Muslim country.

[sheytanElKebir]

The jews and persians had been a part of Iraq's "CIVILISED" society for 2600+ years! yes the bedu were always there around the desert edge, raiding and pillaging, but they were not part of "society" in the way that the jews and persians were... e.g. shorja is persian, the name BAGHDAD is persian! abu hanifa and many of the scholars/scientists of the abbasid era were persians etc... and they WERE forced out... first the Athuris after the massacre of Simele, then the Jews after the farhood and the 1951 laws, then the "persians" for being "teba3iye farisiya" since the 1950s.

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by Sinjar

Al-Hashimi, why did Faisal became the king of Iraq?

The British (after all Iraq is a British creation) nominated him but the people were very supportive. Most still love them and look back with pride when they think about the Kingdom of Iraq. Even on this forum dominated by Shia's that mostly are very Anti Iraqi Sunni Arab and Arab in general (If have seen this with my own eyes)

But who choose the other rulers in the Middle East? And who choose the illiterate bunch that followed afterwards in Iraq after the horrible massacre?

I don't know about the Shammari history in Al-Kufah I just know that the Shammari's in Al-Anbar are true Al-Shammari's and bedouins as you say. And I am proud of that.

Also, most Shammaris in Iraq are real Shammaris. If you actually cared to read about the Iraqi-Najd frontier history (there is a very informative book published in 1930 about the matter) you would know this.

I already told you about this. Go check out the major Arab Ancestry project where you can discover your haplogrup Y-DNA and see if you are related to the dominant haplogroup Y-DNA of a certain Arab tribe and see how many Shammari's from different Arab countries belong to the same haplogroup Y-DNA.

In Iraq and Saudi Arabia (where most Shammari's live) it was discovered that most shared the same haplogroup Y-DNA.

And as we all know DNA does not lie but folklore and personal traditions sometimes do. That's all I have to say on this matter.

Anyway you should stop calling anyone "bedu", terrorist and other primitive stuff. You are probably the same type who swears at Sunni Arabs - and Arabs in general but cries when somebody does the same towards Shia's.

I don't know this but I could nevertheless sadly imagine it.

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

The jews and persians had been a part of Iraq's "CIVILISED" society for 2600+ years! yes the bedu were always there around the desert edge, raiding and pillaging, but they were not part of "society" in the way that the jews and persians were... e.g. shorja is persian, the name BAGHDAD is persian! abu hanifa and many of the scholars/scientists of the abbasid era were persians etc... and they WERE forced out... first the Athuris after the massacre of Simele, then the Jews after the farhood and the 1951 laws, then the "persians" for being "teba3iye farisiya" since the 1950s.

SO? They are still not Arabs. Jews lived in all Arabia for centuries and until very recently. Yemen is a good example of that.

Baghdad was fouded by the Abbasid caliph Al-Mansur. The Abbasid's are from the Quraysh tribe like all Ashraf's and Sayyid's today.

The same people you call "bedu" Arabs.

But most of the scientists, influential people etc. were Arabs. The ruler's and ulama also.

Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) was born in Al-Kafuh to parents who were originally from Kabul - Afghanistan. That's not Persia last time I checked.

You blame the honorouble Kings for the political climate at that time and the will of the people? Blame the people or the British for creating the Zionist state. Actually the same Kings you criticize was in favour of creating an Jewish state (Faisal I) which he was later criticized for.....

About the name of Baghdad:

"There have been several rival proposals as to the specific etymology of the name Baghdad. The most reliable and most widely accepted among these is that the name is a Middle Persian[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] compound of Bag "god" + dād "given", translating to "God-given" or "God's gift", whence comes Modern Persian Baɣdād. This in turn can be traced to Old Persian.[11] A less probable guess has been Persian compound Bāğ "garden" + dād "fair", translating to "The fair garden".[12][13] The name is pre-Islamic and the origins are unclear, but it is related to previous settlements, which did not have any political or commercial power, making it a virtually new foundation in the time of the Abbasids.[12][13]"

[Sinjar]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

The British (after all Iraq is a British creation) nominated him but the people were very supportive. Most still love them and look back with pride when they think about the Kingdom of Iraq.

Not true and please don't refer to the plebiscite where 96% of the Iraqis declared their support to him. It didn't demonstrate what the Iraqis really wanted with no other choices than picking him..

I advise you to read 'A Line in the Sand: Britain, France and the Struggle That Shaped the Middle East' and particularly chapter nine; 'the best and cheapest solution' which is about how Feisal became the king of Iraq.


p.125-126:

Feisal landed at Basra on 21 June and embarked on a journey up the Euphrates that bore a close resemblance to a royal progress. But Cox, who accompanied him up-country and was described in one report as Feisal's electioneering agent, was disappointed by the lukewarm reception given to him in the Shia heartland where the uprsining had been most intense, because he had been led to believe that the Shia were willing to accept a sharif in Baghdad. In Baghdad, meanwhile, Bell concentrated on the easier task of winning round the Sunni population. 'You know where you have with them' she wrote, 'they are guided, according to thier lights, by reason; wheras with the Shias, however well intentioned they may be, at any moment some ignorant of alim may tell them thay by the order of God himself they are to think differently' The difficulity the British had throughout this time-as the Ottomans had before them- in engaging with the Shia population ensured that most Iraqis would feel marginalised by the predominantly Sunni government that the now set up.

When, however, Feisal was declared king at an early-morning cermony in the centre of Baghdad eight days later, there could be no doubt it was the British, and not the Iraqis, who were the kingmakers. Feisal was flanked by Cox and General Haldane. The red, white, black and green flag that decorated the arena were of British design;in the absence of an Iraqi national anthem, the British military band played 'God Save the King'.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

But who choose the other rulers in the Middle East? And who choose the illiterate bunch that followed afterwards in Iraq after the horrible massacre?

Yes that is horrible too but it doesn't justify Feisal's coronation. What makes it worse is he had no connection to Iraq.. He was not born there, he never lived there and he was not politically active like many others were at that time in Iraq. They deserved to rule the country more than he did. He was the best solution for Britain as he served their interests and that's what counted..

[iraqishi3i]

loool i love sheytans replies and sheytan please dont waste your time with alhashimi because
noone can cure ignorance and hes avoided your questions throughout this whole time ... alhashimi who are these people that you state fought the americans and ONLY killed the americans?

[Al-Hashimi]

Sinjar:
Yeah and how do you think the ancient kings/rulers gained the power in the area that is now known as Iraq? Or what about the rulers before the honourable kings and after? At least they did not kill anyone to take power.

Who did elect the Ottoman pasha's, the British and that illiterate bunch that followed afterwards in Iraq after the horrible massacre?
FACT still remains that most Iraqis were very supportive of the King's and they were the most popular rulers in Iraq history since 1920. Most people look back to the time of the Kingdom with pride. Even many very anti Sunni Arab's here have posted positive posts about them and this says a lot. I have not seen the same about anyone else.

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

loool i love sheytans replies and sheytan please dont waste your time with alhashimi because
noone can cure ignorance and hes avoided your questions throughout this whole time ... alhashimi who are these people that you state fought the americans and ONLY killed the americans?

LOL. I already posted everything there is to be posted and I have replied to every question unlike this Sheytan.

And that's a very ugly avatar btw.

[iraqishi3i]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

And that's a very ugly avatar btw.

oh you think maliki is not good looking? well thats your opinion I dont really judge people by their appearances but tbh almaliki is the real lion not like the wahabia like zarqawi that you adore... almaliki is in power ... shias are in power and there is NOTHING you, saudi arabia or any other country can do lol its gonna stay like this FOREVER

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by iraqishi3i

oh you think maliki is not good looking? well thats your opinion I dont really judge people by their appearances but tbh almaliki is the real lion not like the wahabia like zarqawi that you adore... almaliki is in power ... shias are in power and there is NOTHING you, saudi arabia or any other country can do lol its gonna stay like this FOREVER

[haiderpass]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Yes, I supported those who fought against the Americans and their allies as did over half of the Iraqi population. Don't you read statistics?

where do you get these statisics from might i add. over half the population supported them. lets add up some numbers .

Kurds 25% = Pro US government, launchpad in war.
Shia 60% = Most pro US/coalition forces, only ones opposed were Mahdi + other militia, who were also anti-cockroach, i mean resistance.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I don't despise them but I don't like them. In fact I don't like any Iraqi regime since 1958 nor any current Arab regimes bar few exceptions that I don't need to mention here.

fair enough, no need to go further on this one.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I care a lot about Iraq and it's people I am just not a nationalist due to my mixed background. And I find such a standpoint alien to me. And I can't understand why that's a bad thing considering what the "nationalists" did to Iraq since 1958....

correction. you are not an IRAQI nationalist, but you are a pan-arab nationalist. the ba'ath regime was not a nationalist but a pan-arab nationalist regime. kind of similar to your views, dont you think

'Ba'athism calls for the renaissance or resurrection and unification of the Arab world into a single state. Its motto—"Unity, Liberty, Socialism" (wahda, hurriya, ishtirakiya)—refers to Arab unity, and freedom from non-Arab control and interference.'

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

They were not puppet's but honrouble leaders who modernized the country and had wide support. Even to this day most Iraqi's look bad with pride when they think about the kingdom. There are even a few of them here - in a Shi'a dominated forum that is very anti Sunni Arab. That says a lot.

Once again, where do you get your statistics from, most iraqis, read sinjars quote, says it all really. Also, why the sectarian tone, no one even mentioned the fact the were sunni. Both abdul Karim Qasim and ahmad hassan il bakr were sunnis and we've repeatedly said they were the best leaders in iraq's modern history. We are talking about their accomplishments and their contributions to iraqs economy, education and social liberties. once again, Faisal was a puppet who accomplished NOTHING.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Read my discussion again before you make such claims. I am saying that I have more in common wiht them. And they are not "Bedouin" trash. If they are trash then I can't imagine what you are.

Exactly, YOU have more in common with them. can you please refrain from mentioning the other 80% of us arabs. you see, if you were to go to say baghdad, Mosul, Diyala, kirkuk, or any city in the south and tell them this statement, you would realise how completely alone you are in YOUR views. also, personal insults, well done, very mature, kinda like saying 'i know you are, but what am I'.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I did not turn anything. If you see SheytanelKebir reacted and provoked just because I posted old pictures of the Kings and praised them.

okay, ill take your word for this.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

First of all I have no delusional fantasies second of all I do not start discussions - people do by their comments.

okay, denial, no matter, ill move on.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Your last claim makes no sense but please proof what you say. I have mentioned the Zionist state one time and that was in connection with the British creating the state of Israel and what that meant for Jews living in Arab countries.

No, you said Zionist created al Qaeda through their support of bin laden, even though Al Qaeda is the most anti-semetic organisation after nazi Germany with the only modification of also targeting shia. I love it when arabs dump all the blame on israel, haha, what lack of excuses for your own fuck ups.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

If you actually care to read what I say you would say that I don't start any debates. The only debate I started was in the political thread where I asked some questions.

okay, you started nothing, we all just attacked you cause your sunni.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Moreover it's your Shia members here who post stupid posts EVERY single time there is a project in a Sunni Arab majority area. Just see the Ramadi thread.

, no comment.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANYTHING POLITICAL OR STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE MAHDI ARMY WHEN PROJECTS FROM THE SOUTH HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

you've been here three days, im willing to bet you'll do that before the end of the month.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

So just an advice to you. Stop making claims up and actually read what I write.

believe me, ive read what you write, otherwise i wouldn't have replied. in case you haven't realised, ive been here 2 years, 1 and half years as an active member, yet i haven't replied on here unless i thought it was necessary. in this case it was, when i see someone reject all that iraq stands for, be it our boundaries, our institutions, our multi-ethnic make-up, and say things like i'm proud of the resistance, even though they murdered thousands of iraqis on a daily basis, i truly feel disgusted. and i swear if you mention the khara JAM i will through a fit, cause just in case you haven't realised, WE HATE THEM TOO. anyway, ive said what i wanted, good day to you.

[Al-Hashimi]

You can read and say what you like I have a clear concious and I have written everything very clearly and argumented for it. You don't need to agree with me and you can praise everything that just smeeløs of Iraq but don't expect other's to share the exact same views. You can praise the current regime, promote nationalism and make absurd claims of an Sunni Iraqi Anbari having more in common with an Persian than an Arab like him from the same tribe just living across the border in KSA, Jordan or Syria.

That's all fine but I have my own independent views that are shared by a lot of other Arabs and Iraqi's as well.

Your Shia gang and their pathetic accusations of Al-Qaeda and now Saddam supporter is below even your kind. So I will just leave it here before I say something more.

[haiderpass]

haha, dont worry, youve said enough