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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:13 AM   #261
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and also one thing.. Ahmadabad is the second biggest district after delhi...
No. Its not even close to being the biggest district in Gujarat. (Whatever difference that is meant to make anyway?!)

If you can use SSCI, you can use google. Its not going to kill you to check that things are correct before you decide to post things here which just look like nonsense most of the time.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:29 AM   #262
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If Surat pop was lower than Ahmedabad in 2001, but the difference has stayed the same over 10 years, it means that Surat has grown by a higher rate. Thats just simple maths.

Also, what is the point in posting links to data if you are just going to invent your own numbers instead of using the stats they show?

These are the figures from the links:

2001 2011 City (Growth)

3.5m 5.5m Ahmedabad (+57%)
2.4m 4.4m Surat (+83%)


so you Surat people are just arguing to justify that your city is better than Ahmadabad.. forget it not even close to Ahmadabad.. Except the diamond industry that too taken from Ahmadabad what do Surat have.. Ahmadabad is education Hub IIM, CEPT, NID, ISRO, Nirma, Mudra are some Top university to name, Maruti suzuki, Tata nano, Ford, Peugeot are some car plant present and coming up in Ahmadabad Gift city.. the IT hub. and many more to count.. Great opportunities in jobs , great education for students and a good lifestyle at affordable price What Ahmadabad has to Offer..
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:41 AM   #263
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GJ10 = Jamnagar

Who is saying Surat is "better" than Ahmedabad? What kind of immature attitude is this? I stupidly thought it was worth pointing out that the stats you posted actually show the exact opposite of what you thought they did.

By now, your level of understanding is pretty clear. Im not going to bother discussing anything further with you, I request that others dont bother either, you will only drag people down to your level.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 12:45 AM   #264
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GJ10 = Jamnagar

Who is saying Surat is "better" than Ahmedabad? What kind of immature attitude is this? I stupidly thought it was worth pointing out that the stats you posted actually show the exact opposite of what you thought they did.

By now, your level of understanding is pretty clear. Im not going to bother discussing anything further with you, I request that others dont bother either, you will only drag people down to your level.
well i was saying the same thing that these people are saying.. projects in ahmedabad is more in reality than in surat .. but you people keep on justifying facts not reality.. Saying surat has better potential than Ahmedabad which is not true..
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 02:09 AM   #265
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well i was saying the same thing that these people are saying.. projects in ahmedabad is more in reality than in surat .. but you people keep on justifying facts not reality.. Saying surat has better potential than Ahmedabad which is not true..
Projects in both the cities are equal, either big or small. Implementation might be a bit slow but it is not that one city has less projects ongoing than the other. Ahmedabad is the largest city in Gujarat hence you see large amount of projects being pumped out to put the city on the map, but Surat is not lagging behind and equally has some great projects which will put it on par with Ahmedabad. Like everyone has already pointed out, Surat has a great potential with projects like kalpasar, hazira development, DMIC coming up.

GJ10- I think he was talking about the AMR before and has not done any research as that project is not implemented yet.

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Old June 23rd, 2012, 05:42 AM   #266
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 06:30 AM   #267
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Why should any city in Gujarat not become like Mumbai? If there is another commercial city of India, India as a whole will benefit. Its not a zero sum game by any means. Bangalore rising hasn't made Delhi less important. As far as slums are concerned, any city which has large scale migration of poor people is bound to have a lot of slum growth. The slums of Mumbai are in a real sense a measure of how attractive the city is to the poor and how many opportunities it must be offering that poor people migrate in such large numbers to it, rather than to nearby towns, both from within and outside Maharashtra. Even Delhi has 40 % or more slum population. You don't have enough low cost housing and migration of poor people in large or very large numbers. Slums are inevitable and in fact a sign of growth. Gurgaon has far more slums for example than Chandigarh. Jobs are more in Gurgaon.
slums are not a sign of growth. they are a sign of corruption and votebank politics. First you let people make slums and then after 10-20 years when the area gets choked you spend millions of dollars for redevelopment and giving them free place to live instead. That money could have gone in to improve the city and make it more liveable.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #269
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And also people who say Kalpasar Project will be in Surat.. Well its Actually Bhavanagar District and will be located some 60 Odd kilometers from Surat city.. same as Dholera SEZ is Located 80 Km from Ahmadabad city.. And also If the Report from Times of India is true.. There will be not dam If it leads to Earthquake..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...-richter-scale
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:01 AM   #270
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slums are not a sign of growth. they are a sign of corruption and votebank politics. First you let people make slums and then after 10-20 years when the area gets choked you spend millions of dollars for redevelopment and giving them free place to live instead. That money could have gone in to improve the city and make it more liveable.
Wow so we have a master planner here ... Oh genius please tell how to improve Mumbai when most of the revenue is sent to the center and is redistributed? At least speak some sense.. Or are you just on drugs? Like ur username
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:02 AM   #271
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And also people who say Kalpasar Project will be in Surat.. Well its Actually Bhavanagar District and will be located some 60 Odd kilometers from Surat city.. same as Dholera SEZ is Located 80 Km from Ahmadabad city.. And also If the Report from Times of India is true.. There will be not dam If it leads to Earthquake..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...-richter-scale
Don't get so high dude, learn to be calm... It will help both you and us... Please gather correct info before posting and have a nice time here
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #272
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And also people who say Kalpasar Project will be in Surat.. Well its Actually Bhavanagar District and will be located some 60 Odd kilometers from Surat city.. same as Dholera SEZ is Located 80 Km from Ahmadabad city.. And also If the Report from Times of India is true.. There will be not dam If it leads to Earthquake..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...-richter-scale
That's just BS. So now dams causes earthquakes, eh ?? Thats news to me. Quick we must hurry, destroy all the dams in the world, lest they cause devastating earthquakes...
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #273
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Dams do cause earthquakes. Its called 'Dam induced seismicity'.
Plz google about Koyna Dam in Maharashtra.

But doesn't mean all dams cause earthquakes.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #274
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Wow so we have a master planner here ... Oh genius please tell how to improve Mumbai when most of the revenue is sent to the center and is redistributed? At least speak some sense.. Or are you just on drugs? Like ur username
Why is encroachment and making slums on government land allowed in first place? Don't tell me there are no revenues with Mumbai to check who is making slums on public land?
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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #275
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And also people who say Kalpasar Project will be in Surat.. Well its Actually Bhavanagar District and will be located some 60 Odd kilometers from Surat city.. same as Dholera SEZ is Located 80 Km from Ahmadabad city.. And also If the Report from Times of India is true.. There will be not dam If it leads to Earthquake..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...-richter-scale
I dont think a dam can generate an earthquake by itself. There have to be factors present around that dam that can induce an earthquake like a fault line, ground conditions.
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The storage of huge amounts of water in the reservoir creates huge amount of pressure on the rock layer over which the reservoir is situated which can trigger earthquakes. U can always use the help of Google.

There are many examples of which our own Koyna Dam in Maharashtra is a great example.

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The most powerful earthquake thought to have been induced by a reservoir is a magnitude 6.3 tremor which flattened the village of Koynanagar in Maharashtra, western India, on 11 December, 1967, killing around 180 people, injuring 1,500 and rendering thousands homeless. The dam was seriously damaged and power cut off to Bombay, causing panic among its populace, who were able to feel the quake 230 kilometres from its epicentre. The epicentre of the tremor and numerous fore– and aftershocks were all either near the Koyna Dam or under its reservoir.

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There are many more examples from all over the world.
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Yes that is what i said. It depends on factors such as fault lines (seismic activity), ground conditions, fluid movements etc no need for google for that.
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The storage of huge amounts of water in the reservoir creates huge amount of pressure on the rock layer over which the reservoir is situated which can trigger earthquakes. U can always use the help of Google.

There are many examples of which our own Koyna Dam in Maharashtra is a great example.

There are many more examples from all over the world.
But that same thing applies to oceans. Any dam reservoir will store water to a maximum height of 200-300 mts. While the average ocean depth is around 5-10 kms (5000-10,000 mts) almost 20 times more...
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Yes that is what i said. It depends on factors such as fault lines (seismic activity), ground conditions, fluid movements etc no need for google for that.
I don't think u and me have any disagreement.

My point with dams is, it can aggravate a pretty normal ground condition into a seismic zone. Before the Koyna Dam was built, there was no major earthquake in the area.

I can understand what u are saying.. That dams alone don't cause earthquakes and u need some pre-conditions. But, dams can induce earthquakes in a pretty much normal area which hadn't seen earthquakes till then.

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During the beginnings of the Vajont Dam in Italy, there were seismic shocks recorded during its initial fill. After a landslide almost filled the reservoir in 1963, causing a massive flooding and around 2,000 deaths, it was drained and consequently seismic activity was almost non-existent.

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But that same thing applies to oceans. Any dam reservoir will store water to a maximum height of 200-300 mts. While the average ocean depth is around 5-10 kms (5000-10,000 mts) almost 20 times more...
And do u think our ocean beds are quiet??
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